<< <i>Any reasonable adult should understand that there is inherent risk in buying an item based only on crappy photos. If you choose not to pass on buying the card, and there are features of the card that you don't notice until it's delivered, this is largely to be expected. At that point, you've made an error in judgement. Accept that responsibility. Whether you choose to keep the card or flip it is up to you. Again, this is not to say you should be happy to own the card. However you - and you alone! - made the decision to spend hundreds of dollars on something without clear photos of the item. >>
Maybe things work differently at Danbessette.com, but on ebay, any reasonable adult should understand that there is inherent risk in SELLING an item with crappy photos. If you choose to sell a card, and don't describe or show a flaw, a refund is largely to be expected. The seller made an error in judgement. He should accept that responsibility. Whether the seller chooses to keep the card or sell it again is up to him. The seller alone made the decision to sell a $200+ card without clear photos of the item and without describing it's flaws.
Which is worse: buyers who can return cards based on their own subjective evaluation of grade OR sellers who can unscrupulously pass along bad cards in a hot potato "you buy it, you're stuck with it" fashion?
I would say that latter because returns have basically no impact (you have to relist? .. ) but trying to stick unsuspecting buyers with bad cards actually could cost people a lot of money.
EDIT: one day I will write a post with no grammatical errors ... one day ....
<< <i>Any reasonable adult should understand that there is inherent risk in buying an item based only on crappy photos. If you choose not to pass on buying the card, and there are features of the card that you don't notice until it's delivered, this is largely to be expected. At that point, you've made an error in judgement. Accept that responsibility. Whether you choose to keep the card or flip it is up to you. Again, this is not to say you should be happy to own the card. However you - and you alone! - made the decision to spend hundreds of dollars on something without clear photos of the item. >>
Maybe things work differently at Danbessette.com, but on ebay, any reasonable adult should understand that there is inherent risk in SELLING an item with crappy photos. If you choose to sell a card, and don't describe or show a flaw, a refund is largely to be expected. The seller made an error in judgement. He should accept that responsibility. Whether the seller chooses to keep the card or sell it again is up to him. The seller alone made the decision to sell a $200+ card without clear photos of the item and without describing it's flaws. >>
Agreed. If you're going to hold the buyer to a standard whereby all graded purchases are final, you also have to hold the seller to a standard whereby they invest fifty bucks in their business and post a decent scan.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
If the photos are crappy, don't buy from the seller. If you do you're taking a risk and you get what you get. I pass and don't buy cards all the time because of crappy photos. I don't understand why the OP chose to go with this seller for a card as readily available as an Yzerman RC. In my opinion, buying a card with crappy photos is assuming an unnecessary and very real risk. I'm guessing that however this plays out, the buyer won't make this mistake again.
There shouldn't be "risk" involved when making a purchase. The seller also took a risk by not having a clear scan. So in my opinion, they both took risks and a return/refund is an acceptable outcome.
Better for eBay to protect the buyer than the seller. Without a buyer, there is no seller.
The better a seller's customer service and overall operations, the less likely they will have to deal with SNAD cases, returns, and the very, very rare outright scam.
I could see if it was a BIN but it was a 99 cent auction that went on for 7 days? The buyer had ample time to ask for a better scan. Did he he even bother to ask about the white line on it?
<< <i>I could see if it was a BIN but it was a 99 cent auction that went on for 7 days? The buyer had ample time to ask for a better scan. Did he he even bother to ask about the white line on it? >>
I understand these kind of frustrations.
If I were selling this "PSA 10" card, I'd have provided quality front/back scans as well as noted in the description the condition of the card in the case.
By doing this, the chances the buyer would want to make a return are minimal. As long as it arrives safely, the buyer should be happy. Card will likely sell for less money.
By not doing this, the buyer may be disappointed, and the risk of wanting a return increases. Card will likely sell for more money.
We don't know the seller's angle, if any, with his listing practices.
The seller set themselves up for this kind of outcome.
I'd be interested, out of pure curiosity, knowing the VCP on an Yzerman 1984 Topps PSA 10 and if the $228.50 this one sold for is considered high or low for this card.
With all this said, based on the one foggy scan I'd still have passed. I think there's enough there to tell me it's a lower-end PSA 10.
<< <i>I could see if it was a BIN but it was a 99 cent auction that went on for 7 days? The buyer had ample time to ask for a better scan. Did he he even bother to ask about the white line on it? >>
Actually I found this card late a friend of mine told me it was out there. The way the listing title was worded it wasn't showing up in my eBay followed searches (which I just started to use on this particular card) I was out and my friend sent me a text with the link, stating that this card was out there and once I opened the link I saw there was about an hour to go so I bid on it. Again assuming a PSA 10 would be what I have received in the past an actual PSA 10 thru my eyes once inspected in hand up close, this was not.
Yes ... I was caught in the excitement and have been looking for this card for awhile, as for the comments "this card is readily available" sorry havnt seen too many in the last couple months on eBAY nor have I received any responses from the boards I posted the "WTB request" and with the pop at only 53 I would say its not that available.
Bottom line the scan did not represent an actual PSA 10, in my mind and many others in the thread. So because of that I should be allowed to return the item. Many of you disagree with this statement, but I offer returns on all product I sell, I want my customers to be happy with the item they purchased once in hand. If they don't like the item send it back or maybe discuss a discount .... I am OK with all either of those options. Sellers that don't accept returns now make me wonder "what they may be hiding" ??? ... Anyway lesson learned .... no bidding on any card unless the scan in clearer, don't let the excitement get to you, be patience and most important don't bid on items that offer no returns.
<< <i>I could see if it was a BIN but it was a 99 cent auction that went on for 7 days? The buyer had ample time to ask for a better scan. Did he he even bother to ask about the white line on it? >>
Actually I found this card late a friend of mine told me it was out there. The way the listing title was worded it wasn't showing up in my eBay followed searches (which I just started to use on this particular card) I was out and my friend sent me a text with the link, stating that this card was out there and once I opened the link I saw there was about an hour to go so I bid on it. Again assuming a PSA 10 would be what I have received in the past an actual PSA 10 thru my eyes once inspected in hand up close, this was not.
Yes ... I was caught in the excitement and have been looking for this card for awhile, as for the comments "this card is readily available" sorry havnt seen too many in the last couple months on eBAY nor have I received any responses from the boards I posted the "WTB request" and with the pop at only 53 I would say its not that available.
Bottom line the scan did not represent an actual PSA 10, in my mind and many others in the thread. So because of that I should be allowed to return the item. Many of you disagree with this statement, but I offer returns on all product I sell, I want my customers to be happy with the item they purchased once in hand. If they don't like the item send it back or maybe discuss a discount .... I am OK with all either of those options. Sellers that don't accept returns now make me wonder "what are they may be hiding" ??? ... Anyway lesson learned .... no bidding on any card unless the scan in clearer, don't let the excitement get to you, be patience and most important don't bid on items that offer no returns. >>
Good points.
I, too, have been caught in the excitement of finding something that I've been chasing. It's especially disappointing when things don't work out.
Don't let the negative comments get to you. The "No Return" policy in the collecting world is the norm. However, it is not that way on eBay.
I encourage you to still bid on listings where the seller doesn't offer returns. You can still return those item.
Kudos on buying the card and not the holder.
Best of luck on that Yzerman PSA 10. I'll keep an eye out for you.
"I bought a PSA 10 1984 Topps Steve Yzerman rookie. The scan was a pit foggy but being a PSA 10 I figured the card would look great. After receiving the picture of Steve is not crisp and there appears to be a stain of some sort in the upper right corner of the card. The seller does not accept returns and I honestly do not want this card. Whet are my options? How should I proceed with eBay and the seller to get a refund . Please advise thank you Craig"
If I put myself in the situation where I had to ask myself "what are my options" I'd first ask myself why am I in this situation in the first place? In this case my conclusion would be that I didn't do my due diligence and I basically screwed up. I've been there done that with an ebay auction in the past and the end result was that I had to own up to my responsibility and be accountable for MY actions. It's not the end of the world if you file a claim and get your money back by putting the blame on the seller's bad scan. Personally I'd take ownership of my actions and keep the card. I'd look for a better example to replace it with down the road and send this one to a consignor to sell later (with a Probstein or PWCC consignment it's likely to get 10 money anyway).
<< <i>"I bought a PSA 10 1984 Topps Steve Yzerman rookie. The scan was a pit foggy but being a PSA 10 I figured the card would look great. After receiving the picture of Steve is not crisp and there appears to be a stain of some sort in the upper right corner of the card. The seller does not accept returns and I honestly do not want this card. Whet are my options? How should I proceed with eBay and the seller to get a refund . Please advise thank you Craig"
If I put myself in the situation where I had to ask myself "what are my options" I'd first ask myself why am I in this situation in the first place? In this case my conclusion would be that I didn't do my due diligence and I basically screwed up. I've been there done that with an ebay auction in the past and the end result was that I had to own up to my responsibility and be accountable for MY actions. It's not the end of the world if you file a claim and get your money back by putting the blame on the seller's bad scan. Personally I'd take ownership of my actions and keep the card. I'd look for a better example to replace it with down the road and send this one to a consignor to sell later (with a Probstein or PWCC consignment it's likely to get 10 money anyway). >>
Good advice. You'd most likely recoup all or most of your money going this route.
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<< <i>Any reasonable adult should understand that there is inherent risk in buying an item based only on crappy photos. If you choose not to pass on buying the card, and there are features of the card that you don't notice until it's delivered, this is largely to be expected. At that point, you've made an error in judgement. Accept that responsibility. Whether you choose to keep the card or flip it is up to you. Again, this is not to say you should be happy to own the card. However you - and you alone! - made the decision to spend hundreds of dollars on something without clear photos of the item.
>>
Maybe things work differently at Danbessette.com, but on ebay, any reasonable adult should understand that there is inherent risk in SELLING an item with crappy photos. If you choose to sell a card, and don't describe or show a flaw, a refund is largely to be expected. The seller made an error in judgement. He should accept that responsibility. Whether the seller chooses to keep the card or sell it again is up to him. The seller alone made the decision to sell a $200+ card without clear photos of the item and without describing it's flaws.
I would say that latter because returns have basically no impact (you have to relist? .. ) but trying to stick unsuspecting buyers with bad cards actually could cost people a lot of money.
EDIT: one day I will write a post with no grammatical errors ... one day ....
<< <i>
<< <i>Any reasonable adult should understand that there is inherent risk in buying an item based only on crappy photos. If you choose not to pass on buying the card, and there are features of the card that you don't notice until it's delivered, this is largely to be expected. At that point, you've made an error in judgement. Accept that responsibility. Whether you choose to keep the card or flip it is up to you. Again, this is not to say you should be happy to own the card. However you - and you alone! - made the decision to spend hundreds of dollars on something without clear photos of the item.
>>
Maybe things work differently at Danbessette.com, but on ebay, any reasonable adult should understand that there is inherent risk in SELLING an item with crappy photos. If you choose to sell a card, and don't describe or show a flaw, a refund is largely to be expected. The seller made an error in judgement. He should accept that responsibility. Whether the seller chooses to keep the card or sell it again is up to him. The seller alone made the decision to sell a $200+ card without clear photos of the item and without describing it's flaws. >>
Agreed. If you're going to hold the buyer to a standard whereby all graded purchases are final, you also have to hold the seller to a standard whereby they invest fifty bucks in their business and post a decent scan.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
The better a seller's customer service and overall operations, the less likely they will have to deal with SNAD cases, returns, and the very, very rare outright scam.
for a better scan. Did he he even bother to ask about the white line on it?
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<< <i>I could see if it was a BIN but it was a 99 cent auction that went on for 7 days? The buyer had ample time to ask
for a better scan. Did he he even bother to ask about the white line on it? >>
I understand these kind of frustrations.
If I were selling this "PSA 10" card, I'd have provided quality front/back scans as well as noted in the description the condition of the card in the case.
By doing this, the chances the buyer would want to make a return are minimal. As long as it arrives safely, the buyer should be happy. Card will likely sell for less money.
By not doing this, the buyer may be disappointed, and the risk of wanting a return increases. Card will likely sell for more money.
We don't know the seller's angle, if any, with his listing practices.
The seller set themselves up for this kind of outcome.
I'd be interested, out of pure curiosity, knowing the VCP on an Yzerman 1984 Topps PSA 10 and if the $228.50 this one sold for is considered high or low for this card.
With all this said, based on the one foggy scan I'd still have passed. I think there's enough there to tell me it's a lower-end PSA 10.
<< <i>I could see if it was a BIN but it was a 99 cent auction that went on for 7 days? The buyer had ample time to ask
for a better scan. Did he he even bother to ask about the white line on it? >>
Actually I found this card late a friend of mine told me it was out there. The way the listing title was worded it wasn't showing up in my eBay followed searches (which I just started to use on this particular card) I was out and my friend sent me a text with the link, stating that this card was out there and once I opened the link I saw there was about an hour to go so I bid on it. Again assuming a PSA 10 would be what I have received in the past an actual PSA 10 thru my eyes once inspected in hand up close, this was not.
Yes ... I was caught in the excitement and have been looking for this card for awhile, as for the comments "this card is readily available" sorry havnt seen too many in the last couple months on eBAY nor have I received any responses from the boards I posted the "WTB request" and with the pop at only 53 I would say its not that available.
Bottom line the scan did not represent an actual PSA 10, in my mind and many others in the thread. So because of that I should be allowed to return the item. Many of you disagree with this statement, but I offer returns on all product I sell, I want my customers to be happy with the item they purchased once in hand. If they don't like the item send it back or maybe discuss a discount .... I am OK with all either of those options. Sellers that don't accept returns now make me wonder "what they may be hiding" ??? ... Anyway lesson learned .... no bidding on any card unless the scan in clearer, don't let the excitement get to you, be patience and most important don't bid on items that offer no returns.
The card that sold for $14 is incorrect data. Image shows a PSA 8.
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<< <i>I could see if it was a BIN but it was a 99 cent auction that went on for 7 days? The buyer had ample time to ask
for a better scan. Did he he even bother to ask about the white line on it? >>
Actually I found this card late a friend of mine told me it was out there. The way the listing title was worded it wasn't showing up in my eBay followed searches (which I just started to use on this particular card) I was out and my friend sent me a text with the link, stating that this card was out there and once I opened the link I saw there was about an hour to go so I bid on it. Again assuming a PSA 10 would be what I have received in the past an actual PSA 10 thru my eyes once inspected in hand up close, this was not.
Yes ... I was caught in the excitement and have been looking for this card for awhile, as for the comments "this card is readily available" sorry havnt seen too many in the last couple months on eBAY nor have I received any responses from the boards I posted the "WTB request" and with the pop at only 53 I would say its not that available.
Bottom line the scan did not represent an actual PSA 10, in my mind and many others in the thread. So because of that I should be allowed to return the item. Many of you disagree with this statement, but I offer returns on all product I sell, I want my customers to be happy with the item they purchased once in hand. If they don't like the item send it back or maybe discuss a discount .... I am OK with all either of those options. Sellers that don't accept returns now make me wonder "what are they may be hiding" ??? ... Anyway lesson learned .... no bidding on any card unless the scan in clearer, don't let the excitement get to you, be patience and most important don't bid on items that offer no returns. >>
Good points.
I, too, have been caught in the excitement of finding something that I've been chasing. It's especially disappointing when things don't work out.
Don't let the negative comments get to you. The "No Return" policy in the collecting world is the norm. However, it is not that way on eBay.
I encourage you to still bid on listings where the seller doesn't offer returns. You can still return those item.
Kudos on buying the card and not the holder.
Best of luck on that Yzerman PSA 10. I'll keep an eye out for you.
Patrick
If I put myself in the situation where I had to ask myself "what are my options" I'd first ask myself why am I in this situation in the first place? In this case my conclusion would be that I didn't do my due diligence
and I basically screwed up. I've been there done that with an ebay auction in the past and the end result was that I had to own up to my responsibility and be accountable for MY actions. It's not the end of the world
if you file a claim and get your money back by putting the blame on the seller's bad scan. Personally I'd take ownership of my actions and keep the card. I'd look for a better example to replace it with down the road and send this one to a consignor
to sell later (with a Probstein or PWCC consignment it's likely to get 10 money anyway).
<< <i>"I bought a PSA 10 1984 Topps Steve Yzerman rookie. The scan was a pit foggy but being a PSA 10 I figured the card would look great. After receiving the picture of Steve is not crisp and there appears to be a stain of some sort in the upper right corner of the card. The seller does not accept returns and I honestly do not want this card. Whet are my options? How should I proceed with eBay and the seller to get a refund . Please advise thank you Craig"
If I put myself in the situation where I had to ask myself "what are my options" I'd first ask myself why am I in this situation in the first place? In this case my conclusion would be that I didn't do my due diligence
and I basically screwed up. I've been there done that with an ebay auction in the past and the end result was that I had to own up to my responsibility and be accountable for MY actions. It's not the end of the world
if you file a claim and get your money back by putting the blame on the seller's bad scan. Personally I'd take ownership of my actions and keep the card. I'd look for a better example to replace it with down the road and send this one to a consignor
to sell later (with a Probstein or PWCC consignment it's likely to get 10 money anyway). >>
Good advice. You'd most likely recoup all or most of your money going this route.