Pleasing NYINC Taler Submission Back from ATS

Zohar

A great benefit in attending the NY Show (among other larger venues) is that the TPGs accept submission. This means that not only you get free and very secure shipping to the TPG, one can immediately send raw purchases in at the show. In addition to the raw submissions, in preparation for the show, I went over my entire collection along with a local expert picking out pieces that I thought should be looked at again (Regraded), Crossed over and conserved. I ended up submitting 14 coins - 5 raw, 2 conservation, 2 crossover and 5 raw (Of which 2 are unrelated to this thread).

Results were mixed yet very pleasing - 5/5 raw graded in line with expectations, 2/2 crossed, 2/5 regraded came back higher. The conservation work did not generate improvement in grade yet did wonders for one of the coins. I will post this separately. So here goes - The far nicer images were done by brg5658, the rest by my iphone. You can clearly tell the difference

This first coin was purchased on auction in Europe. Always tough to find Ferdinand Charles coins in very nice condition, and this one stood out as exceptional. 1654. Ferdinand Charles, Archduke of Further Austria (1646-1662) 1/4 Taler. KM-982. M/T- 515. Tirol, Hall Mint. Beautiful eye appeal to this GEM fractional Taler. NGC MS-65.




Interesting story behind this one. I saw this one on the first day of the show at a dealer friend's table. I liked it and decided to pursue it. A known dealer who is known to poke at purchases made by others beat the purchase up (admittedly making me doubt the purchase). EVP was very forceful (in a friendly way) to make sure I follow through on this one. I am glad I did. What makes this coin superb is the eye appeal that comes with it. Thanks EVP! 1713. Charles VI (1711-1740) Taler. DAV-1050. Hall Mint. Toned, multi color coin, with pristine fields. NGC MS-63.





Another raw floor purchase, somewhat out of my theme, yet perhaps the most attractive design. I found this one raw at a dealer's box. I took it to Kunker's table to gain a sense of value and scarcity. They indicated these don't come up often and this one is quite attractive. I bought it at a fair price. This coin's reverse design is wild and has great eye appeal. 1796 K. Breslau. Bishop Joseph von Hohenlohe (1795-1817) 1/2 Taler. Scarce type. KM-229. F. u. S. 2788. Obverse: Bust right, titles of Josef Christian Obverse Legend: * IOSEPH . D.G. PRIN. AB HOHENLOHE WALD. BART. Reverse: Crowned and mantled ornate arms supported by 2 lions, cardinal's hat above, titles cont. and date. Splendid eye appeal and uncommonly found problem free. NGC MS-62.







This coin was graded MS-64+ by our hosts. Some would say why cross over. The sole reason is that this coin is Choice GEM if there is such a grade so I felt it needed to. These Hungarian pieces do not come nicer. 1733-KB. Charles VI (1711-1740) Taler. DAV-1060. Herinek 448, Huszár 1605. Kremnitz Mint. Top end piece of this scarcer mint issue. Lusterous piece, superb for the type. NGC MS-65.





Second cross over which upgraded by a point. 1649. Austria. Ferdinand III (1637-1657) Taler. DAV-3177. KM-840. Lower Austria. Vienna Mint. Scarcer type and mint. Wonderful piece having a superb strike coupled with toning over mint luster. Scarce this nice. NGC MS-64.





This is a very tough 2 Taler piece. I showed it to a few people who felt the AU-55 was short changing the true grade. I decided to send it in for a regrade. Value wise an AU-58 adds much to this scarcer type. ND. Archduke Ferdinand II (1564-95) 2 Talers. Hall Mint. DAV-8120. Moser Tursky-310/308. Posthumous issue, struck 1601/4. Obv: Draped and mantled bust left, wearing Collar of the Order of the Golden Fleece. Rev: Crowned eagle facing head left, with coat-of-arms on breast. Very rare issue. NGC AU-58.





Second regrade which in comparing to other MS-62s felt superior. This die variety is not as common and therefore the point bump makes a difference to my set and longer term value. Look at that cute lion on shoulder!! Emperor Leopold I (1657-1705) "The Hogmouth". Double (2) Taler. Tirol, Hall Mint. DAV-3249. Stunning piece for this scarcer die variety. NGC MS-63.

EVillageProwler

Very nice coins, very nice results.

JCMhouston

Excellent group Z.

Iosephus

Nice! Love the portraits of Ferdinand Charles and Ferdinand II.

coinkat

congrats- excellent results. I especially agree with the analysis as to the 1733 Hungarian- that coin looks amazing.

SYRACUSIAN

<< <i> I went over my entire collection along with a local expert picking out pieces that I thought should be looked at again (Regraded), Crossed over and conserved. I ended up submitting 14 coins - 5 raw, 2 conservation, 2 crossover and 5 raw (Of which 2 are unrelated to this thread).

Results were mixed yet very pleasing - 5/5 raw graded in line with expectations, 2/2 crossed, 2/5 regraded came back higher. The conservation work did not generate improvement in grade yet did wonders for one of the coins. >>



You're getting very eclectic Zohar ,with an excellent eye judging from your results and it's no surprise that you find yourself drawn by so many various types of coins in top condition, like the Egyptians that you were kind enough to mail me. If you can afford to keep them all and continue at the same rhythm, all the better. If you have to let go of some, stay with those that have a significant story or sentimental value for you, otherwise make a guess as to which ones will increase more in value. But eventually you'll have to make a psychological step forward and start being comfortable with selling some of the coins. The more you sell, the more coins you allow yourself to handle. That's a stage that I remember well in my own personal evolvement as a collector. I didn't do the best choices in what I kept, and sometimes conditions were unfavorable, but you end up demystifying a lot of them the more you get to handle them. Good digital images are the best medicine when seller's remorse kicks in. Very nice post as usual.

Zohar

<< <i>You're getting very eclectic Zohar ,with an excellent eye judging from your results and it's no surprise that you find yourself drawn by so many various types of coins in top condition, like the Egyptians that you were kind enough to mail me. If you can afford to keep them all and continue at the same rhythm, all the better. If you have to let go of some, stay with those that have a significant story or sentimental value for you, otherwise make a guess as to which ones will increase more in value. But eventually you'll have to make a psychological step forward and start being comfortable with selling some of the coins. The more you sell, the more coins you allow yourself to handle. That's a stage that I remember well in my own personal evolvement as a collector. I didn't do the best choices in what I kept, and sometimes conditions were unfavorable, but you end up demystifying a lot of them the more you get to handle them. Good digital images are the best medicine when seller's remorse kicks in. Very nice post as usual. >>



You have captured the mindset in full. As curious humans we tend to test our own boundaries and aim to evolve over time. In numismatics it is no different, having same constraints in available time, budget and emotional connection to things. Some of the coins I have picked up in recent years are such that I never thought I would own, and that applies to many coins that I am now selling. More knowledge leads to more confidence. I have been able to strip out any coin related sentiment in my decisions to sell, however - the attachment is not circumstantial. In deciding which coin to sell I ask myself the following - "Is the coin that I am selling replaceable with reasonable effort. If the answer is yes, it can go". Now if the coins are truly mesmerizing from an eye appeal standpoint or conditionally scarce, will remain. The first major cut was let go at the NYINC and I sense another deeper cut coming soon, which will stabilize the core set.

The non core spontaneous purchases as the Egyptian coins and the Breslau piece above, come mostly out of curiosity and testing of my intuition - I buy the coin for its eye appeal/condition without much research and when I am done holding it for a while, I pass it to the next collector. In most cases these coins move on relatively swiftly which is helpful. This just adds to the engagement in the hobby and the overall learning experience especially as the Taler set build up has slowed down somewhat.

TwoKopeiki

Great coins and commentary, Z!

Hussulo

Some great looking coins there Z.

Steve27

Great talers!!!

worldcoinguy

Well done Zohar. You were right on the money about the 1733 MS-65 the day you bought it.

nicholasz219

Uh what boxes are you looking in that you find coins like that? I am visiting the wrong tables.

marcmoish

Hey Z,
these are fantastic period, you know they are. A blind man would say so, even!

Why you love ATS I don't know, maybe you just do, unsure why you switched a few from our hosts over - but that's your call.

And I'm OK with it too - its truly a preference thingy.

I know many that really prefer them in our hosts holders - heck I know many that despise the holders altogether and keep them in the nude only.


I don't agree with the 1713 grade at all. That looks like wear. Unless I'm off totally - and that is DEF a POSSIBILITY - yes I WILL see it one of these days Z, in fact I would really like to see this one indeed.

The Breslau 1/2T is uber cool!

That 1733 Taler (that used to be, as in USED TO BE, repeat, in a cough cough other holder ...lol) is a just an absolute keeper - Need I say more?

My favorite? The 1649 Vienna in 64. Well I loved it in our hosts at 63 but again.....anyhows this one is just an amazing piece. It has it all, and for that date? WOW! Look at strike, details, toning, centering, lettering ..I mean dig the detail in the hair wreath tendrils.

No comment on the 2T - sudda stayed in the 55. Really looks like wear but.... hey its JMHO! (until I see them)

Wait another favorite!! That Hogmouth 2T - oh my!! On this one I can see it in a 64 so a regrade doesn't bug me - if you shooting for high #'s and what not for the set maybe I can understand the need to do this. But heck look at that piece. Amazing details and the EA is to die for. I have no words.

You are amazing Zohar.
You continue to share and spend time displaying your many gems.
Your babies.
IDK what to say - you putting together a magnificent collection - I admit I envy you a tad - only in a good way though.
You've also come so far since you joined, and I offered to change your diapers a few times way back when.

I kid you not - this Z is the real thing guys!

Zohar

Marc - thank you so much for the kind words and support. This is highly flattering and means a lot. I think the 1713 benefitted from its superb eye appeal and very clean fields on obverse in lieu of wear/cabinet friction. You missed the 1654 in your commentary.

Indeed we started out along with your kind offer help me change diapers when my daughter was born and I thought that I would not be able to find time for the hobby and then this continued with my second daughter being born. I guess passion defeats fatigue. I pray that I am able to keep this up over time, but regardless it has been good fun thus far and a wonderful support group in this forum.

Thanks again,

Z

NiceCurrency

wow, some real stunners here, the images of the reverse of that germany piece are like night and day, very colorful with the right lighting and camera, I think just from a design standpoint I like the hogmouth the most, how can you not like that little lion head on his shoulder lol