$2.00 cost ASEs without the word copy on them! Not Good!!One to One Replica in 99.9%silver
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Here is a link to a website that is advertising ASEs for $2.00 without the word copy on them. Yes I know this has been shown befor but not this site so brazenly advertising it along with the statement that every sale helps children in need. From the provided images the coins look very good and inside a holder or on a website I think these could fool many people.The ad also states that pure gold and silver can be used to make these, that being the case an XFR would say they are real. They also are doing the baseball coins and many others.
Our factory is the largest precious metals production base in Asia.
Our team not only have over 19 years industry background and OEM experiences, but also the top five precious metals sectors in China. We are evaluated as "the best coin retailer" from China Gold Coin Incorperation, and have years partership with most of the banks in China.
In the year of 2001, we are authorized by National Palace Museum for having the rights make gold copie of various national art treasures.
Our company provide handmade crafts, all types of coins, many kinds of gold and silver ornaments.
As we always wish, we are looking forward to coorperate with you!
What are your thoughts?
Link to web page
Our factory is the largest precious metals production base in Asia.
Our team not only have over 19 years industry background and OEM experiences, but also the top five precious metals sectors in China. We are evaluated as "the best coin retailer" from China Gold Coin Incorperation, and have years partership with most of the banks in China.
In the year of 2001, we are authorized by National Palace Museum for having the rights make gold copie of various national art treasures.
Our company provide handmade crafts, all types of coins, many kinds of gold and silver ornaments.
As we always wish, we are looking forward to coorperate with you!
What are your thoughts?
Link to web page
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XRF analysis will show they're silver of the proper fineness as they're thickly plated, copper core fakes and are usually to spec for weight (if a little thick). They won't fool someone familiar with the series unless they're mixed in with a larger lot of ASEs, but for beginners and pawn shop brokers, these are a scourge. There is one factory that cranks most of them out and from there they are re-sold all over the place.
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its Newsroom. For example, see here for the Mint's 2015 ASE image.
I don't think it's an image of what you'll actually receive for $2.00 The
"replicas" are likely much more crude.
$2 is too high for alibaba a year or two ago they were advertising them for 70 cents each in lots of 10,000 . You had to email Mrs. wong to get that deal though.
We have been discussing that off and on on the PM forum a few years now. That was before the alibaba IPO though so I guess because wall street needs a piece of the action the price went up
<< <i>I believe that it is unwise to post links and images with the very website address where one can find them.
XRF analysis will show they're silver of the proper fineness as they're thickly plated, copper core fakes and are usually to spec for weight (if a little thick). They won't fool someone familiar with the series unless they're mixed in with a larger lot of ASEs, but for beginners and pawn shop brokers, these are a scourge. There is one factory that cranks most of them out and from there they are re-sold all over the place. >>
Steve without people knowing about the sites like this how are we to notify the people to take action? Also did you read through what I wrote and the site? They will make these in all silver or gold without the copper cores or titanium cores so the XFR would read accurate. I understand it is a fine line with posting the web site but with out educating the public action can not be taken by those that would take action. It is nothing new that sites such as this are out there and those that want this info can find it very easy without having to read this post. I also believe that it is a necessary evil.
bob
Fifth in the series
One to one replica to official one.
A comment was made that the replicas will be crud and that is not the case as stated here they are doing One to One replicas and are doing this on proof coins.
<< <i>I don't know what you will get but I can assure you that it will not be made of silver.
bob
Remember a few years ago you started a thread about an ebay seller that was selling these dated 2011? The seller was in my area and I got the address from you and drove by there?
Some from the same batch had turned up locally at a few shops seeded in rolls with legit eagles
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<< <i>If you read whole description, it says replica and lower down it says metal plated. >>
Hey all you need to look at the entire page as this is on the page for the ASE.s
Specifications
One to one replica to the official coin.
Various materials available.
99.9 % pure silver is also available.
<< <i>I don't think it's an image of what you'll actually receive for $2.00 The "replicas" are likely much more crude. >>
You mean someone brazenly selling counterfeits on the world's #1 counterfeit clearinghouse isn't giving honest descriptions of their product?
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<< <i>I don't think it's an image of what you'll actually receive for $2.00 The "replicas" are likely much more crude. >>
You mean someone brazenly selling counterfeits on the world's #1 counterfeit clearinghouse isn't giving honest descriptions of their product? >>
The problem is that they have ramped up business and even now state that they have over 50 people working in the research and development department to produce One to One copies. So they are capable of copping bullion coins and bars to proof quality in actual silver or gold and even clad coins to spec.
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<< <i>I don't think it's an image of what you'll actually receive for $2.00 The "replicas" are likely much more crude. >>
You mean someone brazenly selling counterfeits on the world's #1 counterfeit clearinghouse isn't giving honest descriptions of their product? >>
Precisely. Even the product descriptions are fake!
<< <i>Steve without people knowing about the sites like this how are we to notify the people to take action? Also did you read through what I wrote and the site? They will make these in all silver or gold without the copper cores or titanium cores so the XFR would read accurate. I understand it is a fine line with posting the web site but with out educating the public action can not be taken by those that would take action. It is nothing new that sites such as this are out there and those that want this info can find it very easy without having to read this post. I also believe that it is a necessary evil. >>
You're talking to someone who curates an online counterfeit education database and physical reference collection. :-) I'm very well-versed with what kind of quality you can get for $2/piece from China, which is what I described.
The 99.9% ASE version will cost you about $40 a piece (maybe $30 in bulk) which is twice what they're going for on Apmex and other sites, so they are not commercially viable for a con.
The best thing we can do, to help the hobby, is to post pictures and critique them, not post links and increase their google ranking. Even on The Black Cabinet, I keep links and contact information to the factories and sales profiles in a private field that regular users do not have access to.
<< <i>The problem is that they have ramped up business and even now state that they have over 50 people working in the research and development department to produce One to One copies. So they are capable of copping bullion coins and bars to proof quality in actual silver or gold and even clad coins to spec. >>
So they *claim*. Marketing can be a funny thing. :-)
How about this: Once Chinese New Year is over, I'll order some samples from this outfit and post profiles for them on The Black Cabinet?
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http://www.theblackcabinet.org
<< <i>The seller is "Shenyang Elsie Trading Co., Ltd." and if you scroll down on that page, you'll see where they proudly claim to be official suppliers to a few Chinese Government agencies, including their Olympic Committee, Ag Dept, and more. They ALSO are the "only authorized supplier" to the NBA. >>
Bingo! They're a trading company, not a manufacturer. I'm 99% certain that they're selling fake ASEs -- as a clearing house -- that were struck by another manufacturer. This manufacturer is the one that made the fake ASEs that passed for genuine up in Canada and down in NYC a year back, and they're the same drek that 90% of AliBaba shops sell.
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http://www.theblackcabinet.org
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<< <i>Steve without people knowing about the sites like this how are we to notify the people to take action? Also did you read through what I wrote and the site? They will make these in all silver or gold without the copper cores or titanium cores so the XFR would read accurate. I understand it is a fine line with posting the web site but with out educating the public action can not be taken by those that would take action. It is nothing new that sites such as this are out there and those that want this info can find it very easy without having to read this post. I also believe that it is a necessary evil. >>
You're talking to someone who curates an online counterfeit education database and physical reference collection. :-) I'm very well-versed with what kind of quality you can get for $2/piece from China, which is what I described.
The 99.9% ASE version will cost you about $40 a piece (maybe $30 in bulk) which is twice what they're going for on Apmex and other sites, so they are not commercially viable for a con.
The best thing we can do, to help the hobby, is to post pictures and critique them, not post links and increase their google ranking. Even on The Black Cabinet, I keep links and contact information to the factories and sales profiles in a private field that regular users do not have access to.
<< <i>The problem is that they have ramped up business and even now state that they have over 50 people working in the research and development department to produce One to One copies. So they are capable of copping bullion coins and bars to proof quality in actual silver or gold and even clad coins to spec. >>
So they *claim*. Marketing can be a funny thing. :-)
How about this: Once Chinese New Year is over, I'll order some samples from this outfit and post profiles for them on The Black Cabinet? >>
I am all for this and ask for the 99.9%silver ASE.s as this is the answer I got back from them on pricing (so your estimate was a bit off) . This was for 100 of them so 24.30/each for ASE.s delivered in silver .999.
Thank you for having interests in our products, wish you have a nice working day!
The price for American eagle .999 silver rounds are $24/each, shipping to US is around $30(basis weight) by Fedex.
Hope to hear you soon, we are looking forward to cooperate with you!
Best Regards,
Elsie
Also you can get ANY coin you want so the ASE thing is not an outlier...want a 1885-CC Morgan...no prob. None say copy on them. It's really an eye opener