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1952-D Jefferson MS66FS PCGS???

How can this coin be a FS???? AM I missing something here???? I only count 4 full steps???

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    some coins make me scratch my head...this is one for sure

    maybe it was in a bulk sub and the graders were in a state of fatique or
    maybe that nickel had 49 "1995 special Olympic shriver commemorative's" before it that the graders had to suffer through
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • TiborTibor Posts: 3,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I would have submitted that coin it would have come back as a 63.
  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>How can this coin be a FS???? AM I missing something here???? I only count 4 full steps???

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    Your not missing nothing, you made a good catch on something that shouldn't exist !!!

    Steve
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  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,774 ✭✭✭✭
    Pretty sad! No excuses for this one. The seller should either return it to PCGS for a regrade or break it out and place it in a $250 Dansco Album! Returning it to PCGS and having them remove the FS designation would be best all the way around! Get it out of the PCGS Pops and remove a scar on us Jefferson Nickel Collectors. I just hope no fool buys it!
  • JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    Looks like it's no longer for sale, will probably show up in a registry set soon.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not only is it not FS........it's not 66 either!
  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's in an early holder and PCGS was all over the place when designating steps back then. Consistency improved in the late 2000's but I wouldn't believe the label on the earlier ones. Shag
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, I like believing all collectors are deep down honest, hard working comrades who have and would fight alongside their fellow Americans, to strive for the equality of all God fearing people. Of course, this was more true just a few years ago but nonetheless a number of actions should have and could have taken place to clean up the mess that is upon us. The number one action everyone should be following is upholding a certain level of integrity within the hobby. But that can have some difficulty to achieve when something as murky is involved as determining what full steps is and what a certain grade should be. Add people with different levels of experience into the equation, including those all the way up into the grading room to those deciding just yesterday to collect full step Jefferson nickels............is there any surprise to what we see is getting graded and what is paid to assemble a collection. The only viable solution at my disposal without offending anyone ............wanna see a couple of super nice 1952-D nickels? Link
    How difficult of a feeling one must experience when they finally come to an understanding about the quality and viability of a coin they once purchased. A coin they once believed was on the up and up side to assembling that great collection. There are some extra costs associated to correcting a problem coin within this series. And there is no clear cut guarantee a problem has an easy solution. And the prospect of having the very people who caused the problem to correct it is some way can be daunting. This can't get any murkier than one just slipping the coin into a collection not knowing or rather thinking, I'll just let the next guy worry about it. All I can do is show a better coin and hopefully, someone will strive to obtain higher quality examples regardless what the label says. And of course, my opinion is not going to be understood by all at once either, if ever.


    Cheers, Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,480 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like it's no longer for sale, will probably show up in a registry set soon. >>

    the seller relisted it and it does not look like a ms 66 to me either. one of them things i guess and its jm0
  • winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    I think the question is: did PCGS miss something on this coin???image
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you look at the 1938-D MS66FS piece in the Heritage auctions, you will see it is not full steps. Likely a 5445 for those who know what I'm talking about. You will also see the scratches on the slab meaning the coin has been rejected and tossed about a bit. If the pic had shown separation below the 3rd pillar, I'd be all over it.......regardless.

    Edited: It's a D

    Edited: The 1938-D MS67+ is not FS either. It doesn't even have a good 6th quarter step either but yet it was given the FS nod. There has to be complete separation between the 4th and 5th step under the 3rd pillar above the C in Monticello. That's my opinion. It's like, for these Reverse of 1938 struck coins, full steps is 4 and 1/2 or 4 and 3/4 steps.

    The 3rd coin down, 1938-D MS67FS, looks like another 5445.

    It just seems that the cheaper route that is taken, is to pass the buck/correction onto someone else and a problem coin is just not going to get fixed. Should that be a problem amongst serious collectors? It shouldn't.

    The 1952-D, the obverse, in my opinion, shouldn't be of MS67 caliber.

    I like the 1958-D although the strike could be stronger but someone will like this coin if the steps are there.

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AllCoinsRule - Isn't that 1975-P the same MS67FS I offered on the Registry Forum as an MS67FS with a comment that I thought the coin would likely become the first MS67+FS? I sold it in the Heritage sale for a customer and then it resold as the MS67+FS - no?

    Wondercoin
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,466 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>AllCoinsRule - Isn't that 1975-P the same MS67FS I offered on the Registry Forum as an MS67FS with a comment that I thought the coin would likely become the first MS67+FS? I sold it in the Heritage sale for a customer and then it resold as the MS67+FS - no?

    Wondercoin >>



    Was there a reason why your customer chose to sell a coin that great that had the potential to upgrade? I am baffled.

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,774 ✭✭✭✭
    wondercoin,

    Yes, same 1975. You can look at the pictures from the previous auction and clearly the same coin. I'm sure there are more folks than we think are buying, attempting to upgrade and flipping coins. I just hope the folks doing this do not have special privileges with our host for a high percentage of upgrades. Even if they did not, this tells me our host is not hitting the grade the first time through. There can't be that many under-graded coins out there! Are there?
  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Leo. I guess the same reason everyone on the registry board passed on the coin in MS67FS when I said the coin should upgrade to MS67+FS. image

    Wondercoin
    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am not totally sold that there are 4 full steps on the OP coin.....Cheers, RickO
  • georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe that 52-d has been on ebay for a few years now. ... >>



    Nearly all of this sellers coins have been on ebay for years... I wonder how much he has paid in listing fees in that time?
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,332 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've said it before but I believe these types of holders (with the series marked) were used at the time when PCGS was the most liberal with their grading.
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  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,774 ✭✭✭✭
    All I can say is keep your standards high, buy the coin and not the holder and enjoy a nicely struck non-FS coin until you find that killer true-FS coin!!
  • georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I've said it before but I believe these types of holders (with the series marked) were used at the time when PCGS was the most liberal with their grading. >>



    Yes. That was Bushmaster's bane--he got into it with HRH about the liberal use of FBL designation on those Coin #/Series# slabs.
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,056 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I believe that 52-d has been on ebay for a few years now. ... >>



    Nearly all of this sellers coins have been on ebay for years... I wonder how much he has paid in listing fees in that time? >>



    He's a Powerseller and has a store so he doesn't pay listing fees. So he can relist all his stuff for years and years and years...............
  • BarberFanaticBarberFanatic Posts: 671 ✭✭✭✭
    Examples like this are precisely why I couldn't care less about FS designation.
    My current coin collecting interests are: (1) British coins 1838-1970 in XF-AU-UNC, (2) silver type coins in XF-AU with that classic medium gray coloration and exceptional eye appeal.
  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's examples like this that darken this series, There's one (and a pricey one at that)
    that was made a few years back, I won't say which one it is, but it is in coin facts and a
    MS66FS, rather common year, that is IMO not a FS, however, judging by the pics
    and IMO again should be a 67 and maybe even a plus, Price guide just dropped it's
    value too this week, rather substantially.

    Steve
    Promote the Hobby

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