Individual proof coins, 1942: Cost & packaging

grayroads

What was the cost of the individual proof coins in 1942? How did the mint package the coin(s). Thanks!!!

lasvegasteddy

as issued here...$1.89 was the price...not sure of single coin pricing


prices and background info here
1942 proof set

Mark

lasvegasteddy, that was an incredibly fast and truly cool reply!!

coindeuce

I would like to know if there are any surviving box sets like the one lasvegasteddy showed with USPS postmarks dated between 1936 and 1941 as well. I have always believed that these "matchbox" set packages didn't come into existence until 1950.

I think smoebody got very creative and sold a bill of goods to lvt. Sorry, but I don't believe the box sets were sold until 1950.

Meltdown

I'm curious myself. That proof box has 1954 scribbled out? Did the 40's sets really come boxed like that?

Edited to add this quote from the above proof info link:



<< <i>The US Mint sold the proof coins either individually or as part of a complete set. The complete sets included the Jefferson Nickel struck under the original composition, while the 35% silver version was offered separately late in the year. Although the US Mint did not offer complete 6 coin sets, including both versions of the nickel, these became popular on the secondary market. >>

segoja

The bottom of the box (the postmarked part) looks different than the top of the box. The bottom has a folded over brown tape, yet when I see the top, I see none of that. A side few would be helpful

The top which has both dates looks more like a 54 PS box.

I have an original mailer for a 1937 proof set. It was mailed in a cloth lined envelop, not a box.

lasvegasteddy

here's a couple on an old ira goldberg's auction....i had always thought those boxes were 36 to 54 issues...then in 55 they split the year with boxed and flat packs
goldberg auction with original proof sets

segoja

Those Goldberg lots ARE NOT ORIGINAL.

I bought them and returned them. They only guaranteed that if they were opened, there would be the proper year coins inside, not anything more or less. Goldberg are just selling someone else's wares. Since there is no real documentation on the early sets, it's easy to get away with what they did. I do believe those sets never surfaced again after I informed them that they were not original.

I reviewed them carefully and knew the second I saw them, they were not correct.

How did I know??? The boxes in the Goldberg sale were exactly the same size as the 50-55 boxes. True early boxes are slightly larger and have a fold over staple on the bottom. These boxes had neither.

There is a lot of misinformation out there on these early sets..... please don't continue to propagate the poor information as fact. Just because it's in an auction doesn't make it real.

lasvegasteddy

"There is a lot of misinformation out there on these early sets..... please don't continue to propagate the poor information as fact. Just because it's in an auction doesn't make it real. "
^^^ chill there is all i gotta say about that ^^^

i have no doubt you have a set in a cloth lined envelope but this doesn't make it a fact it was the only method of delivery or packaging used

the op asked
i found a couple images that claimed to be originals....i myself have seen these 36 to 42 represented to of come in boxes too
they look pretty original to me

if i recall right...this thread had an image of box or 2 too
we all here watched this discovery unfold as this op imaged his uncovering...most of these images are gone
original 1941 proof set being opened

here's how a 1941 looked from that thread...my question is why would coins of been sent coins "stacked" in an envelope cloth lined or not
nope that stacking suggest these came from a box...that of 1950 to 1955 exactly but these were 1941 coins




this was the 37' set in that thread...mind you i seem to recall the op of this thread having box images too
is your 1937 set individually wrapped too like this ?

segoja

Where's the pic of the 41 box? There are many old cellos which were used regularly during that time period by dealers and collectors. I have bought 41 and 42 proof sets in those cellos, but there were not original mint issued cellos (Please note, I'm not saying the 41 set pictured is not original)

If you read my post I said that I had a cloth lined envelope for a 37 proof set AND I also said that early proof sets came in boxes (both methods of delivery)

Yes I have the cellos on the 37 set just as shown....not stapled, which seems to indicate to me the envelop theory.

My comment (which was taken out of context) is that there is a ton of misinformation out there...including the Goldberg link that makes people think that facts are facts, when they really aren't.

lasvegasteddy

many an address is made that a person could buy from the mint direct by walking up to it...no mailing envelope required
did they have boxes sitting in a gift shop
envelopes being used for the mailing list subscribers only

that thread
all of his were stacked and stapled

perhaps you have images saved of your 37' set there james
i'd love to see it

i've cherished through the years here seeing scant original as issued postings
that 1914 proof set one was amazing

segoja

Sorry done with this thread. This is my last post. The 37 set I have has been previously posted with pics.

I stand by my assertion that there is a lot of misinformation out there on 36-42 proof sets. We can all talk about possibilities and what we think happened. Until we have proof, it's pure speculation. There is no one out there posting here that was buying coins at the mint in 1942. I have heard many stories and have seen much material that appeared to be original, but it was not.



<< <i>The US Mint sold the proof coins either individually or as part of a complete set. The complete sets included the Jefferson Nickel struck under the original composition, while the 35% silver version was offered separately late in the year. Although the US Mint did not offer complete 6 coin sets, including both versions of the nickel, these became popular on the secondary market....kind of difficult for the set pictured in the thread to be a complete 6 pc set as housed in the box pictured. >>

lasvegasteddy

boxes
envelopes
singles

seems to be about right then

ricko

I have yet to see an original 1942 proof set at coin shows...and I have looked and asked.... Cheers, RickO

coindeuce

I have a complete set of the 12 monthly issues of Numismatic Scrapbook from 1943. I've looked through every single commercial ad (and there are hundreds) and I have never seen a single offering for a U.S. Mint boxed 1942 Proof set. Case closed.

grayroads

The statement that a review of all 12 issues of Numismatic Scrapbook for 1943 failed to cite a single ad for a 1942 proof set is telling. Question: In 1943, were their ads for individual 1942 proof coins?

coindeuce

<< <i>The statement that a review of all 12 issues of Numismatic Scrapbook for 1943 failed to cite a single ad for a 1942 proof set is telling. Question: In 1943, were their ads for individual 1942 proof coins? >>



I'll review them again tonight and update my post above. I'll even include images of some ads, for the doubting Thomas-es.

Updated 2/11: I leafed through all 12 monthly editions of NS last night. There were numerous dealer buy offers for 1936-1942 Proof sets, but not one single mention of offering to buy in original packaging. Among the short list of regular advertising dealers who offered to sell these sets, some ads indicated that set holders were available for an extra charge. My take from that observation is that the holders were likely to be Wayte Raymond boards or something similar. Not one for sale ad mentioned sets available in Mint packaging.

lasvegasteddy

this thread was posted on dec 2014 on another site
one could sign up to question that op as it contains "the 1st image i posted"

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1942-proof-set-in-original-box-cellophane.256790/ <<< incase linky is stinky

1st image source

ModCrewman

Thanks for sharing the link Teddy, those photos are incredible and quite impressive.

I'll note that James' original comment about the two photos you posted in your first reply to this thread not being consistent would appear to be true as the top of the box is different from the one in your initial reply. I believe it is certainly possible that multiple methods of delivery would have been utilized.

edix2001

The silver nickel composition wasn't even authorized until after the postmarked date listed on the box for Las Vegas Teddy's "1942 "set".

SanctionII

As far as original packaging for 1936 to 1942 proof sets go, I heard a story at a local show last September. Short version is a local dealer said he knows a family who he knows. A friend of his is on the family. The friend said his granfather, father and now him have purchased 50 proof and mint sets from the Mint each year starting in 1936 for proof sets and 1947 for mint sets and has them all, unopened, stored away. The dealer said his friend showed them to him. Gray story if true. It would answer questions about OGP.

coinguy1989

My understanding is that Harlan Berk purchased an entire run of these in original packaging a couple of years ago or so. Maybe CaptainHemway will chime in.

coindeuce

<< <i>The silver nickel composition wasn't even authorized until after the postmarked date listed on the box for Las Vegas Teddy's "1942 "set". >>



Correct. The 35% silver "warnickel" production did not commence until September 18, 1942.

davewesen

Originally posted by: Meltdown
I'm curious myself. That proof box has 1954 scribbled out? Did the 40's sets really come boxed like that?

Edited to add this quote from the above proof info link:

The US Mint sold the proof coins either individually or as part of a complete set. The complete sets included the Jefferson Nickel struck under the original composition, while the 35% silver version was offered separately late in the year. Although the US Mint did not offer complete 6 coin sets, including both versions of the nickel, these became popular on the secondary market.

It was my understanding that individual coins were ordered pre 1950 and mint shipping depended on order size and composition - either small box or envelope.
There is a seller who was/is selling boxes from pre-1950, but I am not sure if legit.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1939-U..._trksid=p2047675.l2557