2015 / 2016 5 Ounce Silver Bullion ATB Mintage Limit
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Anyone know the limits for this year. Note that I am not talking about the collector's version.
Was it 35,000 for 2014?
Was it 35,000 for 2014?
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<< <i>Anyone know the limits for this year. Note that I am not talking about the collector's version.
Was it 35,000 for 2014? >>
2014 .. first one was 25k & the last 4 were 30k
I don't believe they have indicated what the max are for 2015
I am talking about the bullion version, not the collector's version. I agree with your statement for the collector's version.
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They will probably be the same as years past---'mint to demand' or until we decide not to make them
They didnt set mintages last year, they just stopped making them. here are the #s for the 2014s
Great Smoky Mountains National Park 5 Oz Silver Bullion Coins* 33,000
Shenandoah National Park 5 Oz Silver Bullion Coins 25,000
Arches National Park 5 Oz Silver Bullion Coins* 22,000 --fourth lowest mintage to date
Great Sand Dunes 5 Oz Silver Bullion Coins* 21,900 ---third lowest mintage to date
Everglades 5 Oz Silver Bullion Coins* 34,000 -- sold 20k the first day available
the * = sold out
Shenandoah was the only one available into 2015 and added 600 so far this year to the 24,400 from 2014.
The only bullion coin they announced the mintage for before it went on sale the last few years was Mount Rushmore @35k
Around september/october 2013 soon after the release of Fort McHenry they set the mintages for the 2013's and the first four had already been on sale and/or sold out.
Great Smoky Mountains National Park 33,000
Shenandoah National Park 25,000
Arches National Park 22,000
Great Sand Dunes National Park 22,000
Everglades National Park 34,000
US Mint 5 oz ATB buliion sales
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<< <i>For anyone stacking silver, these coins have a much better chance of appreciation above the silver price than recent silver eagles with their 40,000,000+ mintage's. Nice designs also. >>
45,000
That leaves a maximum of 20,000 P mints, wonder if unavailability of bullion SAEs will increase the consumption/mintage of available Bullion pucks, or are they done striking for 2015.
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Anyone know the limits for this year. Note that I am not talking about the collector's version.
Was it 35,000 for 2014?
It seems that the mint is allocating a set amount of 5oz blanks to an issue. For instance Saratoga was allocated 65K blanks across bullion and collector. Since the mint punched out 45K bullion, there's only going to be 20K collector.
I don't know what the allocations were for this year, but I'll post if I can find out...
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Wow! That was fast.
Of the 65,000 authorized between bullion and Unc, this reduces the Unc, goes on sale Thursday, to 20,000 from the original plan of 30,000. I have a subscription for one so I should be at the head of the line. But the subscriptions will further reduce the number available for sale at noon on the 3rd.
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Of the 65,000 authorized between bullion and Unc, this reduces the Unc, goes on sale Thursday, to 20,000 from the original plan of 30,000. I have a subscription for one so I should be at the head of the line. But the subscriptions will further reduce the number available for sale at noon on the 3rd.
Since only one of this years P puck has exceeded 20k (by 47 coins) and Kisatchie is only at 18,553 after being on sale for 8 months I don't think it took much thought to mint more bullion and max the P's at 20k
...and..."sold out" is true but not really.
"all product has been moved to the AP's for sale" would be more accurate since they are available everywhere from where you would normally buy them
Of the 65,000 authorized between bullion and Unc, this reduces the Unc, goes on sale Thursday, to 20,000 from the original plan of 30,000. I have a subscription for one so I should be at the head of the line. But the subscriptions will further reduce the number available for sale at noon on the 3rd.
Since only one of this years P puck has exceeded 20k (by 47 coins) and Kisatchie is only at 18,553 after being on sale for 8 months I don't think it took much thought to mint more bullion and max the P's at 20k
...and..."sold out" is true but not really.
"all product has been moved to the AP's for sale" would be more accurate since they are available everywhere from where you would normally buy them
How true...and some AP's still have a supply of all previous issued bullion pucks.
there is nothing (but Greed) that would prevent them from minting more bullion (beyond 45,000) and further reducing the Unc. P mint to less than 20,000 if bullion demand increases. I wonder how many Ps are minted and ready to go. They can't mint any after Dec 31. Just a thought, stranger things have happened.
The Mint website is showing an issue limit of 20,000 for the P's so I doubt the number minted will be reduced. The Saratoga has a distinctive design that may make the coin more popular than some of the others.
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Am I seeing this correctly? There are twelve issues with below 20k mintage/sales. Even though they sold 45k leaving only 20k for the collector version, if it sells the max its no where close to the low. Correct?
Correct. But many collectors are not going after complete sets, they are just buying designs they like. 20K is still a low mintage, and the Mint's current selling price is much lower than when the key 2012 issues were released.
By the way, I expect to see reported mintages for the Acadia, Hawaii and Denali adjusted lower when the final tally is released. I believe that some of the reported sales totals included orders that could not be filled because inventory had been depleted.
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Am I seeing this correctly? There are twelve issues with below 20k mintage/sales. Even though they sold 45k leaving only 20k for the collector version, if it sells the max its no where close to the low. Correct?
Correct. But many collectors are not going after complete sets, they are just buying designs they like. 20K is still a low mintage, and the Mint's current selling price is much lower than when the key 2012 issues were released.
By the way, I expect to see reported mintages for the Acadia, Hawaii and Denali adjusted lower when the final tally is released. I believe that some of the reported sales totals included orders that could not be filled because inventory had been depleted.
I believe all 2012 sales have been reconciled and the totals are the final figures.
Do you have a link to the final audited figures? If I recall correctly, the 2012-P Denali had a big jump (several hundred coins) in final week sales to reach the 15,225 figure, and many of these final week orders were subsequently cancelled due to inventory depletion. My guess would be that fewer than 15,000 Denalis were actually delivered.
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Just curious, do anyone have a ballpark figure for what this entire series is worth? Just ballpark, all raw, one of example from the collector series.
There are 19 proof designs so far. A complete set of one-ounce proofs would have a metal value of $16,150. With premiums added, I estimate collector value would be in the vicinity of $25,000.
A complete set of proof, burnished and bullion, all denominations (including the 2007 reverse proof $50) would contain 57.45 ounces of platinum, with a collector value I would estimate at around $68,000.
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Just curious, do anyone have a ballpark figure for what this entire series is worth? Just ballpark, all raw, one of example from the collector series.
There are 19 proof designs so far. A complete set of one-ounce proofs would have a metal value of $16,150. With premiums added, I estimate collector value would be in the vicinity of $25,000.
A complete set of proof, burnished and bullion, all denominations (including the 2007 reverse proof $50) would contain 57.45 ounces of platinum, with a collector value I would estimate at around $68,000.
I believe you are in the wrong thread!
Just curious, do anyone have a ballpark figure for what this entire series is worth? Just ballpark, all raw, one of example from the collector series.
There are 19 proof designs so far. A complete set of one-ounce proofs would have a metal value of $16,150. With premiums added, I estimate collector value would be in the vicinity of $25,000.
A complete set of proof, burnished and bullion, all denominations (including the 2007 reverse proof $50) would contain 57.45 ounces of platinum, with a collector value I would estimate at around $68,000.
I believe you are in the wrong thread!
10 4...we are discussing the 5 oz pucks and not the APE's
Nice guesstimate Akbees.
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edited to add:
From a post in the 2015 Platinum thread by Backroadjunky
The 2015 Saratoga National Historical Park 5 oz. Uncirculated Coin also had a strong debut yesterday; according to the Mint, that issue sold 15,904 pieces on its first day of availability. As the Saratoga 5 oz. Uncirculated coin’s mintage limit now stands at 20,000, less than 4,096 pieces of the issue remain available for purchase.
That 15,904 sales figure would include subscriptions. Actual purchases made at noon on the 3rd are unknown.
Anybody know if the subscription number is posted for any mint product?
Those issues not sold out are in the form "Mintage Limit (Last sales published)".
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Maybe they'd sell more if it said 5 OZ FINE SILVER instead of QUARTER DOLLAR...
Why? All previous years bullion and collectors versions are sold out. (If it ain't broken...don"t fix it)
In addition, it would require an Act of Congress to implement your suggested changes.
It appears, that the Mints small window of no s&h had a major affect on the latest issued puck. btw, mine is in the mail, scheduled to be delivered on Friday.
Not if you had a subscription or paid by gift-card, then you got dinged for the $4.95 shipping. Still miffed on that one.
My puck should be here today, since I subscribed. (I did cancel my subs when they dropped the discount, but re-subed the ATB pucks so I wouldn't have to remember to order one...
It appears, that the Mints small window of no s&h had a major affect on the latest issued puck. btw, mine is in the mail, scheduled to be delivered on Friday.
Not if you had a subscription or paid by gift-card, then you got dinged for the $4.95 shipping. Still miffed on that one.
My puck should be here today, since I subscribed. (I did cancel my subs when they dropped the discount, but re-subed the ATB pucks so I wouldn't have to remember to order one...
And don't forget the only choice for shipping a subscription is Stupid Post. So not only do you get to pay for poor shipping but you get your order AFTER someone who web ordered a week after your subscription shipped.
It left the "FedEx location..Southhaven. MS" two days ago (12/10)...delivery listed as 12/16
Nice...
Well, just Love coins, period.
Saratoga P pucks are back in stock.....
In stock for around 2 1/2 hours.....now gone.
http://www.numismaticnews.net/article/mint-ups-5-ounce-coin-production
120,000 Bullion / 30,000 Collectors
Like the article said, I would expect bullion premiums to go down, but we'll see!
I was going to post asking what the 2016 mintages are but I just saw this article:
http://www.numismaticnews.net/article/mint-ups-5-ounce-coin-production
120,000 Bullion / 30,000 Collectors
Like the article said, I would expect bullion premiums to go down, but we'll see!
If you compare those numbers to previous issues...wow, but if you compare them to ASE's sold, not bad. In my opinion, the Mint is shooting for the Moon, but not gonna get there.