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The History of the First Third-Party Coin Grading Service – ANACS, By Tom DeLorey

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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for posting- makes me proud to work for them.
    You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    Nice read!
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  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭
    A great first-person, "how it happened" read.
  • MarkMark Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A GREAT story but I hate cliff hangers. When will the next installment be published???
    Mark


  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,782 ✭✭✭✭
    Interesting. Hopefully the next installment will be linked in this thread.

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hard plastic condom

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  • I would like to see a complete timeline with all the graders working for this as well as other grading services. Are Mike Fahey and Tim Hargis still there?
  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,389 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the link to the story by Mr.DeLorey. I will be looking forward to it's continuation. It got me caught up with Ed Fleischmann whom I had corresponded with from 1969-1974, and had visited him,Jim Johnson and Marilyn Tiernan at Coin World three times. We had lost touch with each other by 1975. I was fortunate to attend my first ANA show with Ed in 1970 when it took place in St.Louis that year.He covered the exhibits for CW.
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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,915 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I would like to see a complete timeline with all the graders working for this as well as other grading services. Are Mike Fahey and Tim Hargis still there? >>



    Mike Fahey is still with ANACS. Tim stayed here in Austin and is a coin dealer.

    Edited to add:

    Our coin club has several 'grading nights' every year where members bring their coins for grade opinions. 2 other local dealers and I are the graders, and Tim is the finalizer- I can't begin to tell you how much I've learned from watching him work.
    You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting. I used ANACS exclusively 20-25 years ago as I was (and am) into varieties and they were the best service for that. I wish one or more of the grading services today would offer a small slab like the old ANACS slab.
  • bob48bob48 Posts: 458 ✭✭✭
    I like the story
    Thanks for the link. I like the history of ANACS.
    Tom DeLorey Is a great writer.

    I will be looking forward to it's continuation.
    Bob

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,484 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Vey interesting - thanks!

    Just sold this one on the BST a few weeks ago.....rim toning acquired from decades in my 7070 album:


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  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This was submitted just a few months before PCGS went live. It is now in a PCGS AU58 holder.

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    It last sold publicly in 2001 for $18,400. Part of the "Heathgate" collection in Goldberg's "Bensosn" sale.


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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very interesting. I have a few of the old photo certificates.
  • EXOJUNKIEEXOJUNKIE Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ran across this a few days ago. Very enjoyable read!
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great read...thanks for posting...Cheers, RickO
  • bob48bob48 Posts: 458 ✭✭✭
    Here are a couple of very early nice Photo Cert. And I do have the coins with them.
    These are both considered a Type-3 certificate, as the labels are the same, just one has the grade typed in.

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    This one was not graded as it was still a option at this time.

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    Bob

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,273 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is that 1937 a Proof? Can't tell from the picture. If it is we should have noted it in the description, even if it was not graded.
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  • bob48bob48 Posts: 458 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Is that 1937 a Proof? Can't tell from the picture. If it is we should have noted it in the description, even if it was not graded. >>



    You made me go and dig it out, and look! I never thought of it as a proof, as I bought it as mint state.
    I am not sure if it is a proof but over the years it has a very light toning of violet and purple hue starting.
    The reverse sure does have that Proof like look to it all around the buffalo and the obverse seems to have just a hint of PL in the field just to the sides of the neck and not so much at the top.
    I think the overall eye appeal and luster has a lot going for this coin.
    After looking at it and studying it for 5 min. I really do think it could be a proof.
    But I am not sure if I can tell the difference between Proof and proof like MS on this early dated buffalo nickel.

    But Thanks for getting my attention on it.
    Bob

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    sweet read
    thanks for sharing eagle-eyed-one
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  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting !!! :-)
    Timbuk3
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,273 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not sure if the second part of this ever got linked here, so here it is:

    https://coinweek.com/education/coin-grading/history-first-third-party-coin-grading-service-part-two/

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  • jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fantastic read!!! Thank you for the bump with the addition of the second part @CaptHenway.

  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lazarus thread, back from the dead!

  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This a great read

    I felt like i was there

    Two thumbs up

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great reading. Interesting to see the evolution of the grading and authentication of coins.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 8, 2018 8:30AM

    Very nice "story." o:)

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 8, 2018 11:25AM

    Very Nice!

    This was back when ANA still had testicles, a backbone, and supported collectors. Now, it's just the "American Nematoda Association."

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,279 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I never understood why CAC doesn't include ANACS and ICG as being eligible for their stickers. They are both legitimate grading services even if they aren't as big as the top two.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway ...Thanks for 'the rest of the story'.....Cheers, RickO

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    I never understood why CAC doesn't include ANACS and ICG as being eligible for their stickers. They are both legitimate grading services even if they aren't as big as the top two.

    Me either and I have suggested that JA should include both those services. I innocently called him once to suggest it as it would make more profit for his company. Since then, I've learned from the owner of ICG one reason why ICG will NEVER be included. I cannot say why ANACS is not. I believe one reason is that "beaning" either of the two second-tier services would elevate them in the eyes of the market. That would be bad for the top two services and any possibly perceived incestuous connections there might be.

    Savvy collectors know that perfectly graded, desirable coins can be found in any TPGS slab - bean or no bean!

  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Savvy collectors know that perfectly graded, desirable coins can be found in any TPGS slab - bean or no bean!"

    Absolutely, and savvy collectors frequently remove them from lower-tier holders pronto. I partially populated a DANSCO 7070 album with many coins cracked out of such slabs.

    I think that the bigger problem is that dealer members of the CAC consortium rarely listed coins in second-tier holders before CAC appeared on the scene. Their marketing strategies are likely the reason. Hence, there would be no upside for them to push for CAC consideration of coins in second-tier holders.

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  • AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭

    Worthwhile read! I missed this one the first time around, so nice to catch it on the rebound.

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