I'd kind of have expected you to notice this Broadstruck. I love this series but six figure coins are way out of my price range. So are five figure coins for that matter.
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<< <i>I'd kind of have expected you to notice this Broadstruck. I love this series but six figure coins are way out of my price range. So are five figure coins for that matter. >>
The micro chatter on the obverse isn't horrific but the slight staple scratch through the right wing facing would have been too much of a risk for me to hope and cross as MS65.
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I wonder on how many of the submissions over the years this came back as a non-FH? Has nearly identical head detail to a 1924 I once owned in NGC MS66 FH. That coin didn't quite have a 100% split hairline profile either. It was flawless otherwise. On resubmissions hoping for a MS67 it came back non-FH half the time. I decided to stick with 66 FH once I got it back in that holder again.
4 month turnover on this 1927-s? I have a pretty good guess who is doing the upgrading.
The 1st auction description: three olive sprigs are visible on the head, and the hairline is nearly full, although the ear area is weak.....but is acceptable on the 27-s . I'm no expert on this date having different standards from other dates. The second auction as a 66FH states strong Full Head detail is accompanied by above-average definition on the shield rivets and the eagle's feathers. . It would appear the strike got better along with the grade.
No sticker either as a 65FH or 66FH. Now that's interesting.
The two digs on Liberty's shin seem like it might keep it from a 65, let alone a 66. I didn't even factor in that staple scratch. How does a coin like this - a (certainly gem at the time) 1927-S SLQ - ever end up with staple scratch?
<< <i>The two digs on Liberty's shin seem like it might keep it from a 65, let alone a 66. I didn't even factor in that staple scratch. How does a coin like this - a (certainly gem at the time) 1927-S SLQ - ever end up with staple scratch? >>
It's not uncommon to see a coins with a minor staple scratch in a MS66 holder these days.
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<< <i>The two digs on Liberty's shin seem like it might keep it from a 65, let alone a 66. I didn't even factor in that staple scratch. How does a coin like this - a (certainly gem at the time) 1927-S SLQ - ever end up with staple scratch? >>
"TR" of trvst has it's issue tail feathers on that eagle show it's issue too
not a coin i like in 66...even that FH looks sketchy
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Very interesting points roadrunner. It seems the TPGs have different standards for different date/mm's, of which 27-S, 24-D and S, 26-S, and especially 26-D have. Many of these coins have a FH designation that is nowhere near what a 1918, 1920, or 1924 would have.
<< <i>Very interesting points roadrunner. It seems the TPGs have different standards for different date/mm's, of which 27-S, 24-D and S, 26-S, and especially 26-D have. Many of these coins have a FH designation that is nowhere near what a 1918, 1920, or 1924 would have. >>
You also need to add the 20-D & 29-D to your list as many FH designated examples are real head scratchers.
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Not my idea of a Full Head, but that may be close to the best you can expect on a 1927-S. If the owner cracked it and submitted it to PCGS as a raw coin, you have to admire his/her chutzpah.
Just my 2 cents: 1) Yet another example why I am not involved with registry sets. 2) Head does not appear to have an ear hole. To me, this means NOT a full head. J Cline, if alive today, would agree. I saw an all there 27 S FH 6 in his case eight or so years ago at a show. The coin wasn't as pretty as this one, as Cline's coin was dipped, but it was a no-brainer full head. I'm guessing 15% of the FH SLQs I have seen look like this one. I avoid them because I don't think they merit a FH premium. It's a lot like paying RD money for old copper which was RD when it was holdered twenty-five years ago, but its color has since mellowed. 2) Whomever managed to get this MS 65 coin into a FH holder made a fortune. Moreso re the person who got it into a 66 FH holder. Imo, it may merit a 66 grade strictly because of its attractive color, which is rarity with Unc SLQs. It has more hits than I like to see on a 6, but as Broadstruck wrote, seeing a coin with surfaces like this in 6 holders is not uncommon today. 3) Whomever purchased this coin paid a very strong premium for the registry points it carries with it.
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I agree, I would not rate this coin a FH. If this was a 1924-P, there is zero chance that coin is in a FH holder. There's a crazy premium on this 1927-S.
Lastly, I like moderns. The State Quarter program is what got me into collecting, but that's another thread. But I don't think you can really compare this "upgrade" to anything close on the MS69/70 modern scale.
I was talking to someone recently about the ability to grade and how good this person claimed to be getting at grading.
I explained that getting the correct grade right is relatively easy for the experienced grader. The skill comes in identifying those coins that are worth submitting for a next grade up bump.
The first time I saw this coin listed on Heritage's website I thought "wow, someone got lucky" when sending their 65 in. However, I never bothered to research if this coin had been upgraded. I guess my hunch was correct after all. The coin was pretty attractive in hand though.
That is a nice paycheck for a little work. Wish I had enough money to bankroll an expert to do this for me. I am happy when I make 50-75.00 on a flip. I am such a protozoa in this ocean of very big whales.
<< <i>I was talking to someone recently about the ability to grade and how good this person claimed to be getting at grading.
I explained that getting the correct grade right is relatively easy for the experienced grader. The skill comes in identifying those coins that are worth submitting for a next grade up bump. >>
As well as how many times it will take to get the anticipated upgrade.
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<< <i>How about $160,000 in 4 months? >>
I'm sure it took a little work with a few submissions to make this happen.
Thanks for posting though as I never saw either since I stopped looking at this series in pronged holders.
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<< <i>I'd kind of have expected you to notice this Broadstruck. I love this series but six figure coins are way out of my price range. So are five figure coins for that matter. >>
The micro chatter on the obverse isn't horrific but the slight staple scratch through the right wing facing would have been too much of a risk for me to hope and cross as MS65.
4 month turnover on this 1927-s? I have a pretty good guess who is doing the upgrading.
The 1st auction description: three olive sprigs are visible on the head, and the hairline is nearly full, although the ear area is weak.....but is acceptable on the 27-s . I'm no expert on this date having different standards from other dates. The second auction as a 66FH states strong Full Head detail is accompanied by above-average definition on the shield rivets and the eagle's feathers. . It would appear the strike got better along with the grade.
No sticker either as a 65FH or 66FH. Now that's interesting.
<< <i>The two digs on Liberty's shin seem like it might keep it from a 65, let alone a 66. I didn't even factor in that staple scratch. How does a coin like this - a (certainly gem at the time) 1927-S SLQ - ever end up with staple scratch? >>
It's not uncommon to see a coins with a minor staple scratch in a MS66 holder these days.
<< <i>The two digs on Liberty's shin seem like it might keep it from a 65, let alone a 66. I didn't even factor in that staple scratch. How does a coin like this - a (certainly gem at the time) 1927-S SLQ - ever end up with staple scratch? >>
"TR" of trvst has it's issue
tail feathers on that eagle show it's issue too
not a coin i like in 66...even that FH looks sketchy
<< <i> not a coin i like in 66...even that FH looks sketchy >>
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<< <i>not a coin i like in 66...even that FH looks sketchy >>
I really feel that this series needs to be designated as MFH, FH, or SFH for Minimal Full Head, Full Head, or Superb Full Head.
<< <i>Very interesting points roadrunner. It seems the TPGs have different standards for different date/mm's, of which 27-S, 24-D and S, 26-S, and especially 26-D have. Many of these coins have a FH designation that is nowhere near what a 1918, 1920, or 1924 would have. >>
You also need to add the 20-D & 29-D to your list as many FH designated examples are real head scratchers.
submitted it to PCGS as a raw coin, you have to admire his/her chutzpah.
Good for the gamer ... sad for the prey.
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1) Yet another example why I am not involved with registry sets.
2) Head does not appear to have an ear hole. To me, this means NOT a full head. J Cline, if alive today, would agree. I saw an all there 27 S FH 6 in his case eight or so years ago at a show. The coin wasn't as pretty as this one, as Cline's coin was dipped, but it was a no-brainer full head. I'm guessing 15% of the FH SLQs I have seen look like this one. I avoid them because I don't think they merit a FH premium. It's a lot like paying RD money for old copper which was RD when it was holdered twenty-five years ago, but its color has since mellowed.
2) Whomever managed to get this MS 65 coin into a FH holder made a fortune. Moreso re the person who got it into a 66 FH holder. Imo, it may merit a 66 grade strictly because of its attractive color, which is rarity with Unc SLQs. It has more hits than I like to see on a 6, but as Broadstruck wrote, seeing a coin with surfaces like this in 6 holders is not uncommon today.
3) Whomever purchased this coin paid a very strong premium for the registry points it carries with it.
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Based on the image, it does not look like a staple scratch. It's just a scratch.
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I have no skin in the registry game. You can see from my album of SLQs in another thread.
I agree, I would not rate this coin a FH. If this was a 1924-P, there is zero chance that coin is in a FH holder. There's a crazy premium on this 1927-S.
Lastly, I like moderns. The State Quarter program is what got me into collecting, but that's another thread. But I don't think you can really compare this "upgrade" to anything close on the MS69/70 modern scale.
I explained that getting the correct grade right is relatively easy for the experienced grader. The skill comes in identifying those coins that are worth submitting for a next grade up bump.
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<< <i>I was talking to someone recently about the ability to grade and how good this person claimed to be getting at grading.
I explained that getting the correct grade right is relatively easy for the experienced grader. The skill comes in identifying those coins that are worth submitting for a next grade up bump. >>
As well as how many times it will take to get the anticipated upgrade.