99% of the people on this board hate airkobe08... why? - because he expresses what he wants... i have no problem with him because he stands up for what he believes in... he can be annoying at times, but ignore him if that's what u choose... very simple...
when another person speaks their mind and gives their opinion, it gives people the right to judge them... stop sticking up for someone u don't know, and respect another person's opinion... i respect yours, i just do not agree with it... that's all there is to it...
99% of the people on this board hate airkobe08... why? - because he expresses what he wants... i have no problem with him because he stands up for what he believes in... he can be annoying at times, but ignore him if that's what u choose... very simple...
when another person speaks their mind and gives their opinion, it gives people the right to judge them... stop sticking up for someone u don't know, and respect another person's opinion... i respect yours, i just do not agree with it... that's all there is to it... >>
Why is that? Well, because like you say...if we express our opinions we're pieces of sh1t...you said it, not me. I'm one of the 1% who actually like airKobe08...I always have, and I always will...I respect him for expressing his feelings. But, in your words, he's a piece of sh1t because he expresses his own thoughts...that's what it seems to me...or that's what I'm getting out of what you say regarding Mike Tyson.
Stop sticking up for some I don't know? Who am I sticking up for? Mike Tyson? Yeah, I AM sticking up for him because that's my "opinion(s)". It's the same way with you...stop JUDGING someone that YOU don't know. Same difference.
As far as media is concerned...The limited curiosity that elite reporters display in their questions is also evident in the stories they write once they have received answers. They are interested mainly in pure politics and can be coerced into examining the substance of an issue only as a last resort.
<< <i>i was waiting for that "murder" thing to be brought up... i knew it would be u autobilia... lol... anyways, ONCE AGAIN, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, i'm not putting him the same category... i am simply drawing a parallel... big big difference... i understand Tyson has never murdered anyone (or at least been caught, ), but it's the same image... he puts out a negative image... and because of that we are supposed to respect him as a person?... i recognize his accomplishments in the ring and acknowledge his career as a good thing, but image is everything (Sprite), and he portrays a HORRIBLE image... it might not matter to u, which is fine, but it matters to me and a lot of other people...
and don't blame the media... yes, the media sucks at times, but it's funny because, just like me and everyone else, u watch the same media... they have a job to do and they get paid to do it, so let them do it... they might not always be the nicest of people or always report the news that people want them too, but they do their job... and before u criticize them, criticize yourself for being a hypocrite... because u help to sell the papers and u help to get high ratings - just like me, just like Derrick, and just like everyone else in this world... maybe not EVERYTHING they say is 100% accurate, and maybe it's true that negtive news is better than positive news, but that's life...
Tyson is free to say what he wants, and i am free to criticize him... don't expect me to agree with what he says or does, because i don't... u have your opinion and i have mine, what's the problem with that? >>
National Enquire has a job to do also. What's your point?
Auto you're as bad as Airhead08, except Airhead doesn't defend a convicted criminal. You're defending an uncaged animal. You're defending someone who recently said to a female interviewer " I usually don't give interviews to women I havn't fornicated with yet, so do you wanna.. you know. " You're defending a convicted multiple count rapist. You're defending a complete freak of nature who doesn't even know how to handle himself in front of the press or in the ring. You look very very bad defending Tyson. Continue to do so if you don't care about your image. Defending a rapist. Give me a break.
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let me rephrase... my point was this... when we express our opinion (which is good and i highly recommend people to express their opinion), we set ourselves up to be judged... we are not pieces of sh!t simply because we express our opinion, but instead, we set ourselves up to be viewed as pieces of sh!t... airkobe08 expresses his opinion and i do not consider him a piece of sh!t... u express your opinion and yet i do not consider u to be a piece of sh!t... Mike Tyson expresses his opinion and yes, i consider him to be a piece of sh!t... i do not know him personally (nor do i care to), but the image that HE (not the media, HE) portrays is, in MY eyes, worthy of him being called a piece of sh!t... u can stick up for him all u want, but do not degrade my opinion's in the process... disagree if u want, but be prepared for a debate... different opinions and great and that's what makes this world go 'round...
that is true about the media, but it makes no difference what they do, we will still watch them... that's how it is... life would be boring with no media... u may not like them, but u should respect them... they have a job to do and they do it... yes, some of them take it too far (harrassing celebrities, bothering athletes on their vacations, annoying people after several times of "no more"), but once again, that's life... and u enjoy watching it, just like me and everyone else...
Derrick: Good point. I don't think highly of Tyson at all, but I did enjoy watching him box in the past . He does a great job at kicking a$$ and entertaining us with his skills in the ring. Hey he even entertains the press showing us the freakshow that he is! What an asset to the community! As if..
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<< <i>Auto you're as bad as Airhead08, except Airhead doesn't defend a convicted criminal. You're defending an uncaged animal. You're defending someone who recently said to a female interviewer " I usually don't give interviews to women I havn't fornicated with yet, so do you wanna.. you know. " You're defending a convicted multiple count rapist. You're defending a complete freak of nature who doesn't even know how to handle himself in front of the press or in the ring. You look very very bad defending Tyson. Continue to do so if you don't care about your image. Defending a rapist. Give me a break. >>
I'm as bad as airKobe8? For having my own opinion? I stated day one that I can care less about this "buddy, buddy system", so I think for myself, do my own research, and come up with a conclusion (regardless of the "popular" opinion). What separate me from airKobe is that whatever I say, I back it up with facts, not just my opinions. Facts plus common sense. I never bite my tongue when speaking. Tyson was just being completely honest. Just like I have a LOT more respect for someone who thinks I'm an @$$hole and tell me they think I'm an @$$hole instead of pretending we are cool and call me an @$$hole behind my back.
Back to Tyson. I still don't believe he raped that woman. We've beat this discussion into the ground, so I won't go back into that. And person I could care less about an "image". "Image" is for characters. I'm not a character and try to be someone I'm not.
<< <i>let me rephrase... my point was this... when we express our opinion (which is good and i highly recommend people to express their opinion), we set ourselves up to be judged... we are not pieces of sh!t simply because we express our opinion, but instead, we set ourselves up to be viewed as pieces of sh!t... airkobe08 expresses his opinion and i do not consider him a piece of sh!t... u express your opinion and yet i do not consider u to be a piece of sh!t... Mike Tyson expresses his opinion and yes, i consider him to be a piece of sh!t... i do not know him personally (nor do i care to), but the image that HE (not the media, HE) portrays is, in MY eyes, worthy of him being called a piece of sh!t... u can stick up for him all u want, but do not degrade my opinion's in the process... disagree if u want, but be prepared for a debate... different opinions and great and that's what makes this world go 'round...
that is true about the media, but it makes no difference what they do, we will still watch them... that's how it is... life would be boring with no media... u may not like them, but u should respect them... they have a job to do and they do it... yes, some of them take it too far (harrassing celebrities, bothering athletes on their vacations, annoying people after several times of "no more"), but once again, that's life... and u enjoy watching it, just like me and everyone else...
ya dig? >>
It's not airKobe's "opinion" that makes him a "p1ece of sh!t", it's the insults he dishes out when someone else expresses their opinion when it's different from his (concerning Kobe). By him thinking Kobe is the greatest is no problem, but he gets VERY defensive if you don't think like he does.
image is the way i perceive people... just like u, i think for myself and do for myself... Mike Tyson's image, in my opinion, is horrible... his image, in my eyes, is not what the media makes it out to be, but what i can see for myself...
It's not airKobe's "opinion" that makes him a "p1ece of sh!t", it's the insults he dishes out when someone else expresses their opinion when it's different from his (concerning Kobe). By him thinking Kobe is the greatest is no problem, but he gets VERY defensive if you don't think like he does.
was that really u?... the same person that's been debating this whole topic... autobilia, think about it... it's not Mike Tyson's "opinion" that makes him a piece of sh!t either, it's the insults he dishes out to people (such as the media) who asks him questions...
<< <i>Derrick: Good point. I don't think highly of Tyson at all, but I did enjoy watching him box in the past . He does a great job at kicking a$$ and entertaining us with his skills in the ring. Hey he even entertains the press showing us the freakshow that he is! What an asset to the community! As if.. >>
"asset to the community".. Do I need to break it down for you too?
TYSON...........................IS...............................NOT............................A......................ROLE.......................MODEL..........AND.................IS...............NOT.............INTENDED...................TO.....................BE......................ONE. Once you understand that, you would have less hatred. I could care less what Tyson does on his personal time.
Ok. Another example. Why doesn't people criticize wrestling? Majority of those wrestlers are either on steroids or addicted to pain killers or alcoholics. The British Bulldog passed away from a result of it. A bunch of kids look up to wrestlers. Why are they not criticized? I'll give you the answer. The media doesn't put it in the spotlight. Remember the multi lawsuits against Vince McMahan for forcing these wrestlers to get more bulk (using steroids) or lose their jobs. I remember seeing Vince McMahan on TV in the ring and made a man put on chapstick and kiss his @$$. Is that what kids need to see? Ahhhhhhhh I bet that is different though, right? And let's not talk about all the cussing some of the wrestlers do.
Double standard maybe? Kids look up to Stone Cold Steve Austin and what comes out of his mouth is much worse than what comes out of Tyson's mouth. Hell.. he even drinks beer on TV, flip birds, and use the SOB word constantly.
<< <i>image is the way i perceive people... just like u, i think for myself and do for myself... Mike Tyson's image, in my opinion, is horrible... his image, in my eyes, is not what the media makes it out to be, but what i can see for myself...
It's not airKobe's "opinion" that makes him a "p1ece of sh!t", it's the insults he dishes out when someone else expresses their opinion when it's different from his (concerning Kobe). By him thinking Kobe is the greatest is no problem, but he gets VERY defensive if you don't think like he does.
was that really u?... the same person that's been debating this whole topic... autobilia, think about it... it's not Mike Tyson's "opinion" that makes him a piece of sh!t either, it's the insults he dishes out to people (such as the media) who asks him questions... >>
No. I don't hide behind usernames. If I have something to say, I just say it.
hell...only thing that comes out of tysons mouth is peices of ear ...i'd much ratherme hear a kid say s.o.b....than to see him spittin out chunks of ears like snuff lmmfao
The Tyson thing is a joke, think about it would the media put someone on that was serious about fornicating with a reporter for a interveiw? Would they follow someone who they really though was going to eat the hearts of their opponents children? Its all hype, used to raise controversy and sell tickets. Face it Tyson is getting old and his boxing days are #ed, he is still in great shape but father time catches up with everyone. Here is my prediction: If Lewis trys to fight with Tyson I think it will be Tyson in 4, if Lewis boxes Tyson, then Lewis in 8. This fight will not go the distance!
I dunno if Tyson really raped Desiree Washington..I doubt anyone will ever really know other than the 2 of them..i do recall she leveled the same rape charges at another wealthy person after she did Tyson..I AM NOT saying he did'nt rape her cause I simply don't know..But it would'nt be the first time a woman who felt jilted after sleeping with a millionaire and then not having him keep her around made accusations as revenge...And why did she accept money from him?...It seems if what she said happened were true she would want nothing to do with nor anything from him...
People see Tyson as an easy target..And like it or not the world today is highly motivated by greed...Thanks to our judicial system someone can see Tyson in a public setting push his buttons a bit until he reacts ,take him to court and get a nice settlement..The Washington rape charge may have been true..But I guarentee 75% of the charges labeled at him since then were just folks seeking A. money B. media attention or C. Both...
<< <i>The Tyson thing is a joke, think about it would the media put someone on that was serious about fornicating with a reporter for a interveiw? Would they follow someone who they really though was going to eat the hearts of their opponents children? Its all hype, used to raise controversy and sell tickets. Face it Tyson is getting old and his boxing days are #ed, he is still in great shape but father time catches up with everyone. Here is my prediction: If Lewis trys to fight with Tyson I think it will be Tyson in 4, if Lewis boxes Tyson, then Lewis in 8. This fight will not go the distance! >>
And that's what people pay for.... to see someone get knocked out.
<< <i>was that really u?... the same person that's been debating this whole topic... autobilia, think about it... it's not Mike Tyson's "opinion" that makes him a piece of sh!t either, it's the insults he dishes out to people (such as the media) who asks him questions... >>
I personally hate the media which is why his comments don't bother me. I wish someone who is in the middle of controversy turn the tables on the media. The interview would be like this:
"Reporter: Let's talk about your assault and battery charges. Athlete: Nah, I rather talk about your DUI charge and you being an alcoholic Reporter: Sir, today's show isn't about me, it's about you Athlete: Why not? You are the host. This is a sports show and we need to be talking about sports. Athlete: So, if you want to go outside of sports, I prefer to talk about your addiction."
I know that wouldn't be aired, but why not? The athlete just proving a point that every is human. Now, that would be groovy.
guys remember alot of your "opinions" are based on what the media wants you to hear! Even the outlandish remarks were made after the man was in a heavyweight bout or on cable/sat TV. There had to be a little adrinalin flowing, dont ya think. And for all those who want to call Tyson a piece of sheot, he will be in Memphis on the 8th, Im sure he will be glad to respond to your kind remarks.
if the athlete wanted to be in the media, he/she should have changed professions... like i said before, the media is full of a$$holes, but it's their job to be a$$holes... and it must work, because u watch it just like everyone else... don't say u hate something and then go ahead and watch or read it... life would be pretty d^mn boring without the media... and u hate his comments JUST BECAUSE the media asked the ?'s... c'mon now... what kind of BS is that... what if the media asked airkobe08 what he thought about Kobe and then told him they liked Iverson better... say he threw the same fit Tyson did, what would u think of airkobe08 then?
in fact, uwftke26 is a reporter and disagreed with airkobe08, so doesn't that make it ok that airkobe08 used insults?... he was talking to the media, so that makes it right, right?
<< <i>if the athlete wanted to be in the media, he/she should have changed professions... like i said before, the media is full of a$$holes, but it's their job to be a$$holes... and it must work, because u watch it just like everyone else... don't say u hate something and then go ahead and watch or read it... life would be pretty d^mn boring without the media... and u hate his comments JUST BECAUSE the media asked the ?'s... c'mon now... what kind of BS is that... what if the media asked airkobe08 what he thought about Kobe and then told him they liked Iverson better... say he threw the same fit Tyson did, what would u think of airkobe08 then?
in fact, uwftke26 is a reporter and disagreed with airkobe08, so doesn't that make it ok that airkobe08 used insults?... he was talking to the media, so that makes it right, right? >>
Not really. A lot of players play for the love of the game, not the love of the media. And the ones who play for the love of the game and not for media attention are usually the ones who are not "media friendly". And as we know, the athletes who are not "media friendly" are viewed by the media as @$$holes. The media try to make everyone think the same way they think. And when I say "media", I mean cross the board, not individuals. Just like when people say they hate the police. It's a cross the board statement, but there may be a small few individuals that they have respect for.
The media is never criticized until something completely outragous and unthinkable is aired. Remember that guy in California who was on a bridge and blew his brains out on live TV or the guy who set himself on fire. I think that was the only time the media came under fire. Since the media pick and choose what they air, they need to be more "unbiased" when doing so and show not only negative, but also positive. I bet there were a ton of questions they asked Tyson that he responded to that wasn't aired.
Memphis said: <<guys remember alot of your "opinions" are based on what the media wants you to hear! Even the outlandish remarks were made after the man was in a heavyweight bout or on cable/sat TV. There had to be a little adrinalin flowing, dont ya think. And for all those who want to call Tyson a piece of sheot, he will be in Memphis on the 8th, Im sure he will be glad to respond to your kind remarks. >>
True, the media molds most peoples opinion. But we are talking about Mike Tyson. His comments are coming straight out of his mouth when the questions are asked. The media is NOT making him answer or behave in the manner he does. He's a straight up freak and that's not from the media only showing us that side of him. It's from him showing us that side. Think about it.
No offense but to think the media is at fualt for making Mike Tyson is stupid. Tyson's words and actions speak for themselves.
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you're absolutely right... they should be more "unbiased"... but the fact is, they aren't... and what Tyson said is what Tyson said, not the media... they might have been there interviewing him, but the words came from his mouth... i am sure he said other things as well, prolly a lot less crazy as what they showed, but he set himself up for that just as he has done so many other times... he doesn't learn from his mistakes which makes people, such as myself, judge him a certain way... he keeps repeating the problems that make him viewed by so many as a nut... the media adds to it, but Tyson is his own person and makes his own choices... i would like to see someone tell him that would f^ck his kids or would like to "fornicate" with his wife... let's see how he would handle it... he doesn't think about that because he doesn't think at all... that's the truth, as viewed by our own eyes...
<< <i>you're absolutely right... they should be more "unbiased"... but the fact is, they aren't... and what Tyson said is what Tyson said, not the media... they might have been there interviewing him, but the words came from his mouth... i am sure he said other things as well, prolly a lot less crazy as what they showed, but he set himself up for that just as he has done so many other times... he doesn't learn from his mistakes which makes people, such as myself, judge him a certain way... he keeps repeating the problems that make him viewed by so many as a nut... the media adds to it, but Tyson is his own person and makes his own choices... i would like to see someone tell him that would f^ck his kids or would like to "fornicate" with his wife... let's see how he would handle it... he doesn't think about that because he doesn't think at all... that's the truth, as viewed by our own eyes... >>
My problem with the media is that in an interview, they never show the ENTIRE interview. They edit and pick and choose. Another reason why some people won't do interviews unless it is a live interview where it can't be editted.
and once again, i agree with u... but some of the things Tyson says, the media has no control of... they might pick the worse things to air, but he still said 'em... the words have been said no matter if they were the worse parts of the interview or not... u understand?
<< <i>and once again, i agree with u... but some of the things Tyson says, the media has no control of... they might pick the worse things to air, but he still said 'em... the words have been said no matter if they were the worse parts of the interview or not... u understand? >>
Since they like to edit, let them do their job and censor those words. Instead, they just pick and choose certain questions. No excuse for that.
lol... this is true... the excuse is that it sells better... but what i'm sayin is even though they do "pick and choose" what to show, Tyson still said what he said... the media didn't make any of it up and he did say it all... they might have left out the good parts of the interview, but even so, the parts they play were still said by Tyson... good or bad,they are from his mouth... the media just has a way of making things more interesting to watch... they are wrong for that, but like i have said a million times, u watch it just like everyone else...
People, let's stick to the topic that was given in the first place. Tyson vs. Lewis...
I truly believe that Tyson can win this fight. Here are some of the reasons why I believe Tyson will defeat Lewis...
1. Punching power : Tyson does not throw combinations like he used to, he now tries to end it with one mighty blow. Even though his skills are eroding, he is still the most devastating single-shot puncher in the game today.
2. Aggressive style: The best way to fight Lewis is to back him up. That’s how McCall and Rahman defeated the champ. Holyfield had success when he forced Lewis backwards. The most prevalent evidence was in the 3rd round of their first fight. Holyfield could not sustain the attack and Lewis eventually regained control of the fight. But unlike Holyfield, who fights a controlled fight, Tyson goes all out for as long as he can in his bid to regain the belts. True he might eventually run out of steam, but if anyone has a chance to stop Lewis early it is Tyson.
3. Hand Speed: While Tyson’s hand speed has slowed down some, he can still pull the triggerquicker than any heavyweight in the game today. If he is successful in luring Lewis into a toe to toe exchange Tyson would get off first.
4. Body attack: Tyson’s height and reach disadvantage could be turned into an advantage if Tyson can get inside, where his physique works in his favor. Nobody has sustained a body attack against Lewis, so it’s hard to determine how he will react.
5. Size : Lewis is best against taller opponents. ( Akinwande 6’7, Mavrovic 6’4”,Briggs 6’4”, McCall 6’2”, and Rahman , reinforce this opinion). With the way to beat Lewis being an inside, aggressive attack, the compact powerful physique is tailor made to achieve this task.
6. Lewis’ Chin : It’s weak and he leaves it exposed. Enough said.
7. Money : A huge motivation factor. Tyson needs it!
8. Tyson needs Boxing: Boxing defines Mike. He is nothing in his own mind unless he is the Champ. Lewis has a much better head on his shoulders.
9. Cus D’Amato: The one thing Cus passed on to Tyson was a passionate respect for boxing history. Even though Cus is dead, Tyson wants to make him proud more than anything else in his life.
10. Being a Hero : Although it may be a mere memory, it was not all that long ago that Mike was America’s hero, the toast of the town. He had commercials , video games and many sponsorships. Tyson does care what people think of him regardless of what he may say or project. He wants to be the toast of the town again. To do this he believes he must regain the title and all will be well in Tysonland again.
<< <i>lol... this is true... the excuse is that it sells better... but what i'm sayin is even though they do "pick and choose" what to show, Tyson still said what he said... the media didn't make any of it up and he did say it all... they might have left out the good parts of the interview, but even so, the parts they play were still said by Tyson... good or bad,they are from his mouth... the media just has a way of making things more interesting to watch... they are wrong for that, but like i have said a million times, u watch it just like everyone else... >>
No. My problem is this. Look at this situation. Say for example, ESPN shows highlights of Jason Richardson doing nasty dunks every night (maybe 4-5 dunks per night). You would think he is a superstar, right? But what was left out is that he was 5 for 22 each night and only 10 points per game. Still sound like a superstar?
My point is, if the ENTIRE interview or story was aired, then people would probably understand more of why that person feels that way.
Another good example. O.J. Simpson was acquitted in the murder charges. Why people saying he's guilty? double standard. The reason he was acquitted is because a lot of things were not allowed as evidence. so it was left out. See my logic? If everything was allowed in, maybe you would be in prison right now. That's what happens when you leave stuff out.
<< <i>lol... this is true... the excuse is that it sells better... but what i'm sayin is even though they do "pick and choose" what to show, Tyson still said what he said... the media didn't make any of it up and he did say it all... they might have left out the good parts of the interview, but even so, the parts they play were still said by Tyson... good or bad,they are from his mouth... the media just has a way of making things more interesting to watch... they are wrong for that, but like i have said a million times, u watch it just like everyone else... >>
No. My problem is this. Look at this situation. Say for example, ESPN shows highlights of Jason Richardson doing nasty dunks every night (maybe 4-5 dunks per night). You would think he is a superstar, right? But what was left out is that he was 5 for 22 each night and only 10 points per game. Still sound like a superstar?
My point is, if the ENTIRE interview or story was aired, then people would probably understand more of why that person feels that way.
Another good example. O.J. Simpson was acquitted in the murder charges. Why people saying he's guilty? double standard. The reason he was acquitted is because a lot of things were not allowed as evidence. so it was left out. See my logic? If everything was allowed in, maybe you would be in prison right now. That's what happens when you leave stuff out. >>
that's understandable... and i partly agree with it... but what if there wasn't as much left out as u think... would u still feel the same way?... what if the bulk of the interview was BAD?... then what would u say?
<< <i>that's understandable... and i partly agree with it... but what if there wasn't as much left out as u think... would u still feel the same way?... what if the bulk of the interview was BAD?... then what would u say? >>
That's the beauty of it. That would let us to decide for ourselves, not let the media decide for us. If we saw EVERYTHING, then there would be nothing hidden and nothing to dispute.
that wasn't my question... my question is how would u feel about your boy Tyson if what they showed WAS the interview... would it change your feelings toward him then?
<< <i>that wasn't my question... my question is how would u feel about your boy Tyson if what they showed WAS the interview... would it change your feelings toward him then? >>
Me personally, no, because I could care less what he does outside of the ring. I don't know Tyson or be around him. That's why I don't pass judgement on him for what he does "outside" of the ring. He's only made 1 mistake in the ring. He's had 5 successful fights since then. Since people are only allowed to make 1 mistake (as most of these opinions are based on that incident), I should be criticizing 95% of the people here.
This conversation ain't over yet! People, let's stick to the topic that was given in the first place. Tyson vs. Lewis...
I truly believe that Tyson can win this fight. Here are some of the reasons why I believe Tyson will defeat Lewis...
1. Punching power : Tyson does not throw combinations like he used to, he now tries to end it with one mighty blow. Even though his skills are eroding, he is still the most devastating single-shot puncher in the game today.
2. Aggressive style: The best way to fight Lewis is to back him up. That’s how McCall and Rahman defeated the champ. Holyfield had success when he forced Lewis backwards. The most prevalent evidence was in the 3rd round of their first fight. Holyfield could not sustain the attack and Lewis eventually regained control of the fight. But unlike Holyfield, who fights a controlled fight, Tyson goes all out for as long as he can in his bid to regain the belts. True he might eventually run out of steam, but if anyone has a chance to stop Lewis early it is Tyson.
3. Hand Speed: While Tyson’s hand speed has slowed down some, he can still pull the triggerquicker than any heavyweight in the game today. If he is successful in luring Lewis into a toe to toe exchange Tyson would get off first.
4. Body attack: Tyson’s height and reach disadvantage could be turned into an advantage if Tyson can get inside, where his physique works in his favor. Nobody has sustained a body attack against Lewis, so it’s hard to determine how he will react.
5. Size : Lewis is best against taller opponents. ( Akinwande 6’7, Mavrovic 6’4”,Briggs 6’4”, McCall 6’2”, and Rahman , reinforce this opinion). With the way to beat Lewis being an inside, aggressive attack, the compact powerful physique is tailor made to achieve this task.
6. Lewis’ Chin : It’s weak and he leaves it exposed. Enough said.
7. Money : A huge motivation factor. Tyson needs it!
8. Tyson needs Boxing: Boxing defines Mike. He is nothing in his own mind unless he is the Champ. Lewis has a much better head on his shoulders.
9. Cus D’Amato: The one thing Cus passed on to Tyson was a passionate respect for boxing history. Even though Cus is dead, Tyson wants to make him proud more than anything else in his life.
10. Being a Hero : Although it may be a mere memory, it was not all that long ago that Mike was America’s hero, the toast of the town. He had commercials , video games and many sponsorships. Tyson does care what people think of him regardless of what he may say or project. He wants to be the toast of the town again. To do this he believes he must regain the title and all will be well in Tysonland again.
just to add a little on your points derrick if i may your point # 1 is actually a bad thing for tyson. he now relies too much on one punch to end a fight and not combinations. i've seen many times where fighters wait for that 1 big shot and it never happens. and point # 5, lewis looked pretty darn solid against holyfield ( a fighter who made tyson look silly ) who isn't very tall at all. sorry to add my 2 cents but i just love talkin sports
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99% of the people on this board hate airkobe08... why? - because he expresses what he wants... i have no problem with him because he stands up for what he believes in... he can be annoying at times, but ignore him if that's what u choose... very simple...
when another person speaks their mind and gives their opinion, it gives people the right to judge them... stop sticking up for someone u don't know, and respect another person's opinion... i respect yours, i just do not agree with it... that's all there is to it...
<< <i>why is that?
99% of the people on this board hate airkobe08... why? - because he expresses what he wants... i have no problem with him because he stands up for what he believes in... he can be annoying at times, but ignore him if that's what u choose... very simple...
when another person speaks their mind and gives their opinion, it gives people the right to judge them... stop sticking up for someone u don't know, and respect another person's opinion... i respect yours, i just do not agree with it... that's all there is to it... >>
Why is that? Well, because like you say...if we express our opinions we're pieces of sh1t...you said it, not me. I'm one of the 1% who actually like airKobe08...I always have, and I always will...I respect him for expressing his feelings. But, in your words, he's a piece of sh1t because he expresses his own thoughts...that's what it seems to me...or that's what I'm getting out of what you say regarding Mike Tyson.
Stop sticking up for some I don't know? Who am I sticking up for? Mike Tyson? Yeah, I AM sticking up for him because that's my "opinion(s)". It's the same way with you...stop JUDGING someone that YOU don't know. Same difference.
As far as media is concerned...The limited curiosity that elite reporters display in their questions is also evident in the stories they write once they have received answers. They are interested mainly in pure politics and can be coerced into examining the substance of an issue only as a last resort.
<< <i>i was waiting for that "murder" thing to be brought up... i knew it would be u autobilia... lol... anyways, ONCE AGAIN, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, i'm not putting him the same category... i am simply drawing a parallel... big big difference... i understand Tyson has never murdered anyone (or at least been caught,
and don't blame the media... yes, the media sucks at times, but it's funny because, just like me and everyone else, u watch the same media... they have a job to do and they get paid to do it, so let them do it... they might not always be the nicest of people or always report the news that people want them too, but they do their job... and before u criticize them, criticize yourself for being a hypocrite... because u help to sell the papers and u help to get high ratings - just like me, just like Derrick, and just like everyone else in this world... maybe not EVERYTHING they say is 100% accurate, and maybe it's true that negtive news is better than positive news, but that's life...
Tyson is free to say what he wants, and i am free to criticize him... don't expect me to agree with what he says or does, because i don't... u have your opinion and i have mine, what's the problem with that? >>
National Enquire has a job to do also. What's your point?
Auto you're as bad as Airhead08, except Airhead doesn't defend a convicted criminal. You're defending an uncaged animal. You're defending someone who recently said to a female interviewer " I usually don't give interviews to women I havn't fornicated with yet, so do you wanna.. you know. " You're defending a convicted multiple count rapist. You're defending a complete freak of nature who doesn't even know how to handle himself in front of the press or in the ring. You look very very bad defending Tyson. Continue to do so if you don't care about your image. Defending a rapist. Give me a break.
that is true about the media, but it makes no difference what they do, we will still watch them... that's how it is... life would be boring with no media... u may not like them, but u should respect them... they have a job to do and they do it... yes, some of them take it too far (harrassing celebrities, bothering athletes on their vacations, annoying people after several times of "no more"), but once again, that's life... and u enjoy watching it, just like me and everyone else...
ya dig?
Derrick: Good point. I don't think highly of Tyson at all, but I did enjoy watching him box in the past . He does a great job at kicking a$$ and entertaining us with his skills in the ring. Hey he even entertains the press showing us the freakshow that he is! What an asset to the community! As if..
<< <i>Auto you're as bad as Airhead08, except Airhead doesn't defend a convicted criminal. You're defending an uncaged animal. You're defending someone who recently said to a female interviewer " I usually don't give interviews to women I havn't fornicated with yet, so do you wanna.. you know. " You're defending a convicted multiple count rapist. You're defending a complete freak of nature who doesn't even know how to handle himself in front of the press or in the ring. You look very very bad defending Tyson. Continue to do so if you don't care about your image. Defending a rapist. Give me a break. >>
I'm as bad as airKobe8? For having my own opinion? I stated day one that I can care less about this "buddy, buddy system", so I think for myself, do my own research, and come up with a conclusion (regardless of the "popular" opinion). What separate me from airKobe is that whatever I say, I back it up with facts, not just my opinions. Facts plus common sense. I never bite my tongue when speaking. Tyson was just being completely honest. Just like I have a LOT more respect for someone who thinks I'm an @$$hole and tell me they think I'm an @$$hole instead of pretending we are cool and call me an @$$hole behind my back.
Back to Tyson. I still don't believe he raped that woman. We've beat this discussion into the ground, so I won't go back into that. And person I could care less about an "image". "Image" is for characters. I'm not a character and try to be someone I'm not.
<< <i>let me rephrase... my point was this... when we express our opinion (which is good and i highly recommend people to express their opinion), we set ourselves up to be judged... we are not pieces of sh!t simply because we express our opinion, but instead, we set ourselves up to be viewed as pieces of sh!t... airkobe08 expresses his opinion and i do not consider him a piece of sh!t... u express your opinion and yet i do not consider u to be a piece of sh!t... Mike Tyson expresses his opinion and yes, i consider him to be a piece of sh!t... i do not know him personally (nor do i care to), but the image that HE (not the media, HE) portrays is, in MY eyes, worthy of him being called a piece of sh!t... u can stick up for him all u want, but do not degrade my opinion's in the process... disagree if u want, but be prepared for a debate... different opinions and great and that's what makes this world go 'round...
that is true about the media, but it makes no difference what they do, we will still watch them... that's how it is... life would be boring with no media... u may not like them, but u should respect them... they have a job to do and they do it... yes, some of them take it too far (harrassing celebrities, bothering athletes on their vacations, annoying people after several times of "no more"), but once again, that's life... and u enjoy watching it, just like me and everyone else...
ya dig? >>
It's not airKobe's "opinion" that makes him a "p1ece of sh!t", it's the insults he dishes out when someone else expresses their opinion when it's different from his (concerning Kobe). By him thinking Kobe is the greatest is no problem, but he gets VERY defensive if you don't think like he does.
It's not airKobe's "opinion" that makes him a "p1ece of sh!t", it's the insults he dishes out when someone else expresses their opinion when it's different from his (concerning Kobe). By him thinking Kobe is the greatest is no problem, but he gets VERY defensive if you don't think like he does.
was that really u?... the same person that's been debating this whole topic... autobilia, think about it... it's not Mike Tyson's "opinion" that makes him a piece of sh!t either, it's the insults he dishes out to people (such as the media) who asks him questions...
<< <i>Derrick: Good point. I don't think highly of Tyson at all, but I did enjoy watching him box in the past . He does a great job at kicking a$$ and entertaining us with his skills in the ring. Hey he even entertains the press showing us the freakshow that he is! What an asset to the community! As if.. >>
"asset to the community".. Do I need to break it down for you too?
TYSON...........................IS...............................NOT............................A......................ROLE.......................MODEL..........AND.................IS...............NOT.............INTENDED...................TO.....................BE......................ONE. Once you understand that, you would have less hatred. I could care less what Tyson does on his personal time.
Ok. Another example. Why doesn't people criticize wrestling? Majority of those wrestlers are either on steroids or addicted to pain killers or alcoholics. The British Bulldog passed away from a result of it. A bunch of kids look up to wrestlers. Why are they not criticized? I'll give you the answer. The media doesn't put it in the spotlight. Remember the multi lawsuits against Vince McMahan for forcing these wrestlers to get more bulk (using steroids) or lose their jobs. I remember seeing Vince McMahan on TV in the ring and made a man put on chapstick and kiss his @$$. Is that what kids need to see? Ahhhhhhhh I bet that is different though, right? And let's not talk about all the cussing some of the wrestlers do.
Double standard maybe? Kids look up to Stone Cold Steve Austin and what comes out of his mouth is much worse than what comes out of Tyson's mouth. Hell.. he even drinks beer on TV, flip birds, and use the SOB word constantly.
That's my point about the media. They are biased.
<< <i>image is the way i perceive people... just like u, i think for myself and do for myself... Mike Tyson's image, in my opinion, is horrible... his image, in my eyes, is not what the media makes it out to be, but what i can see for myself...
It's not airKobe's "opinion" that makes him a "p1ece of sh!t", it's the insults he dishes out when someone else expresses their opinion when it's different from his (concerning Kobe). By him thinking Kobe is the greatest is no problem, but he gets VERY defensive if you don't think like he does.
was that really u?... the same person that's been debating this whole topic... autobilia, think about it... it's not Mike Tyson's "opinion" that makes him a piece of sh!t either, it's the insults he dishes out to people (such as the media) who asks him questions... >>
No. I don't hide behind usernames. If I have something to say, I just say it.
Tha Finger ... Tha Stunner ... Tha Legend.
please re-read my post...
People see Tyson as an easy target..And like it or not the world today is highly motivated by greed...Thanks to our judicial system someone can see Tyson in a public setting push his buttons a bit until he reacts ,take him to court and get a nice settlement..The Washington rape charge may have been true..But I guarentee 75% of the charges labeled at him since then were just folks seeking A. money B. media attention or C. Both...
<< <i>The Tyson thing is a joke, think about it would the media put someone on that was serious about fornicating with a reporter for a interveiw? Would they follow someone who they really though was going to eat the hearts of their opponents children? Its all hype, used to raise controversy and sell tickets. Face it Tyson is getting old and his boxing days are #ed, he is still in great shape but father time catches up with everyone. Here is my prediction: If Lewis trys to fight with Tyson I think it will be Tyson in 4, if Lewis boxes Tyson, then Lewis in 8. This fight will not go the distance! >>
And that's what people pay for.... to see someone get knocked out.
<< <i>was that really u?... the same person that's been debating this whole topic... autobilia, think about it... it's not Mike Tyson's "opinion" that makes him a piece of sh!t either, it's the insults he dishes out to people (such as the media) who asks him questions... >>
I personally hate the media which is why his comments don't bother me. I wish someone who is in the middle of controversy turn the tables on the media. The interview would be like this:
"Reporter: Let's talk about your assault and battery charges.
Athlete: Nah, I rather talk about your DUI charge and you being an alcoholic
Reporter: Sir, today's show isn't about me, it's about you
Athlete: Why not? You are the host. This is a sports show and we need to be talking about sports.
Athlete: So, if you want to go outside of sports, I prefer to talk about your addiction."
I know that wouldn't be aired, but why not? The athlete just proving a point that every is human. Now, that would be groovy.
Nice post AI3TheAnswer.
in fact, uwftke26 is a reporter and disagreed with airkobe08, so doesn't that make it ok that airkobe08 used insults?... he was talking to the media, so that makes it right, right?
<< <i>if the athlete wanted to be in the media, he/she should have changed professions... like i said before, the media is full of a$$holes, but it's their job to be a$$holes... and it must work, because u watch it just like everyone else... don't say u hate something and then go ahead and watch or read it... life would be pretty d^mn boring without the media... and u hate his comments JUST BECAUSE the media asked the ?'s... c'mon now... what kind of BS is that... what if the media asked airkobe08 what he thought about Kobe and then told him they liked Iverson better... say he threw the same fit Tyson did, what would u think of airkobe08 then?
in fact, uwftke26 is a reporter and disagreed with airkobe08, so doesn't that make it ok that airkobe08 used insults?... he was talking to the media, so that makes it right, right? >>
Not really. A lot of players play for the love of the game, not the love of the media. And the ones who play for the love of the game and not for media attention are usually the ones who are not "media friendly". And as we know, the athletes who are not "media friendly" are viewed by the media as @$$holes. The media try to make everyone think the same way they think. And when I say "media", I mean cross the board, not individuals. Just like when people say they hate the police. It's a cross the board statement, but there may be a small few individuals that they have respect for.
The media is never criticized until something completely outragous and unthinkable is aired. Remember that guy in California who was on a bridge and blew his brains out on live TV or the guy who set himself on fire. I think that was the only time the media came under fire. Since the media pick and choose what they air, they need to be more "unbiased" when doing so and show not only negative, but also positive. I bet there were a ton of questions they asked Tyson that he responded to that wasn't aired.
Memphis said: <<guys remember alot of your "opinions" are based on what the media wants you to hear! Even the outlandish remarks were made after the man was in a heavyweight bout or on cable/sat TV. There had to be a little adrinalin flowing, dont ya think. And for all those who want to call Tyson a piece of sheot, he will be in Memphis on the 8th, Im sure he will be glad to respond to your kind remarks. >>
True, the media molds most peoples opinion. But we are talking about Mike Tyson. His comments are coming straight out of his mouth when the questions are asked. The media is NOT making him answer or behave in the manner he does. He's a straight up freak and that's not from the media only showing us that side of him. It's from him showing us that side. Think about it.
No offense but to think the media is at fualt for making Mike Tyson is stupid. Tyson's words and actions speak for themselves.
<< <i>you're absolutely right... they should be more "unbiased"... but the fact is, they aren't... and what Tyson said is what Tyson said, not the media... they might have been there interviewing him, but the words came from his mouth... i am sure he said other things as well, prolly a lot less crazy as what they showed, but he set himself up for that just as he has done so many other times... he doesn't learn from his mistakes which makes people, such as myself, judge him a certain way... he keeps repeating the problems that make him viewed by so many as a nut... the media adds to it, but Tyson is his own person and makes his own choices... i would like to see someone tell him that would f^ck his kids or would like to "fornicate" with his wife... let's see how he would handle it... he doesn't think about that because he doesn't think at all... that's the truth, as viewed by our own eyes... >>
My problem with the media is that in an interview, they never show the ENTIRE interview. They edit and pick and choose. Another reason why some people won't do interviews unless it is a live interview where it can't be editted.
<< <i>and once again, i agree with u... but some of the things Tyson says, the media has no control of... they might pick the worse things to air, but he still said 'em... the words have been said no matter if they were the worse parts of the interview or not... u understand? >>
Since they like to edit, let them do their job and censor those words. Instead, they just pick and choose certain questions. No excuse for that.
I truly believe that Tyson can win this fight. Here are some of the reasons why I believe Tyson will defeat Lewis...
1. Punching power : Tyson does not throw combinations like he used to, he now tries to end it with one mighty blow. Even though his skills are eroding, he is still the most devastating single-shot puncher in the game today.
2. Aggressive style: The best way to fight Lewis is to back him up. That’s how McCall and Rahman defeated the champ. Holyfield had success when he forced Lewis backwards. The most prevalent evidence was in the 3rd round of their first fight. Holyfield could not sustain the attack and Lewis eventually regained control of the fight. But unlike Holyfield, who fights a controlled fight, Tyson goes all out for as long as he can in his bid to regain the belts. True he might eventually run out of steam, but if anyone has a chance to stop Lewis early it is Tyson.
3. Hand Speed: While Tyson’s hand speed has slowed down some, he can still pull the triggerquicker than any heavyweight in the game today. If he is successful in luring Lewis into a toe to toe exchange Tyson would get off first.
4. Body attack: Tyson’s height and reach disadvantage could be turned into an advantage if Tyson can get inside, where his physique works in his favor. Nobody has sustained a body attack against Lewis, so it’s hard to determine how he will react.
5. Size : Lewis is best against taller opponents. ( Akinwande 6’7, Mavrovic 6’4”,Briggs 6’4”, McCall 6’2”, and Rahman , reinforce this opinion). With the way to beat Lewis being an inside, aggressive attack, the compact powerful physique is tailor made to achieve this task.
6. Lewis’ Chin : It’s weak and he leaves it exposed. Enough said.
7. Money : A huge motivation factor. Tyson needs it!
8. Tyson needs Boxing: Boxing defines Mike. He is nothing in his own mind unless he is the Champ. Lewis has a much better head on his shoulders.
9. Cus D’Amato: The one thing Cus passed on to Tyson was a passionate respect for boxing history. Even though Cus is dead, Tyson wants to make him proud more than anything else in his life.
10. Being a Hero : Although it may be a mere memory, it was not all that long ago that Mike was America’s hero, the toast of the town. He had commercials , video games and many sponsorships. Tyson does care what people think of him regardless of what he may say or project. He wants to be the toast of the town again. To do this he believes he must regain the title and all will be well in Tysonland again.
<< <i>lol... this is true... the excuse is that it sells better... but what i'm sayin is even though they do "pick and choose" what to show, Tyson still said what he said... the media didn't make any of it up and he did say it all... they might have left out the good parts of the interview, but even so, the parts they play were still said by Tyson... good or bad,they are from his mouth... the media just has a way of making things more interesting to watch... they are wrong for that, but like i have said a million times, u watch it just like everyone else... >>
No. My problem is this. Look at this situation. Say for example, ESPN shows highlights of Jason Richardson doing nasty dunks every night (maybe 4-5 dunks per night). You would think he is a superstar, right? But what was left out is that he was 5 for 22 each night and only 10 points per game. Still sound like a superstar?
My point is, if the ENTIRE interview or story was aired, then people would probably understand more of why that person feels that way.
Another good example. O.J. Simpson was acquitted in the murder charges. Why people saying he's guilty? double standard. The reason he was acquitted is because a lot of things were not allowed as evidence. so it was left out. See my logic? If everything was allowed in, maybe you would be in prison right now. That's what happens when you leave stuff out.
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<< <i>lol... this is true... the excuse is that it sells better... but what i'm sayin is even though they do "pick and choose" what to show, Tyson still said what he said... the media didn't make any of it up and he did say it all... they might have left out the good parts of the interview, but even so, the parts they play were still said by Tyson... good or bad,they are from his mouth... the media just has a way of making things more interesting to watch... they are wrong for that, but like i have said a million times, u watch it just like everyone else... >>
No. My problem is this. Look at this situation. Say for example, ESPN shows highlights of Jason Richardson doing nasty dunks every night (maybe 4-5 dunks per night). You would think he is a superstar, right? But what was left out is that he was 5 for 22 each night and only 10 points per game. Still sound like a superstar?
My point is, if the ENTIRE interview or story was aired, then people would probably understand more of why that person feels that way.
Another good example. O.J. Simpson was acquitted in the murder charges. Why people saying he's guilty? double standard. The reason he was acquitted is because a lot of things were not allowed as evidence. so it was left out. See my logic? If everything was allowed in, maybe you would be in prison right now. That's what happens when you leave stuff out. >>
that's understandable... and i partly agree with it... but what if there wasn't as much left out as u think... would u still feel the same way?... what if the bulk of the interview was BAD?... then what would u say?
<< <i>that's understandable... and i partly agree with it... but what if there wasn't as much left out as u think... would u still feel the same way?... what if the bulk of the interview was BAD?... then what would u say? >>
That's the beauty of it. That would let us to decide for ourselves, not let the media decide for us. If we saw EVERYTHING, then there would be nothing hidden and nothing to dispute.
<< <i>that wasn't my question... my question is how would u feel about your boy Tyson if what they showed WAS the interview... would it change your feelings toward him then? >>
Me personally, no, because I could care less what he does outside of the ring. I don't know Tyson or be around him. That's why I don't pass judgement on him for what he does "outside" of the ring. He's only made 1 mistake in the ring. He's had 5 successful fights since then. Since people are only allowed to make 1 mistake (as most of these opinions are based on that incident), I should be criticizing 95% of the people here.
I truly believe that Tyson can win this fight. Here are some of the reasons why I believe Tyson will defeat Lewis...
1. Punching power : Tyson does not throw combinations like he used to, he now tries to end it with one mighty blow. Even though his skills are eroding, he is still the most devastating single-shot puncher in the game today.
2. Aggressive style: The best way to fight Lewis is to back him up. That’s how McCall and Rahman defeated the champ. Holyfield had success when he forced Lewis backwards. The most prevalent evidence was in the 3rd round of their first fight. Holyfield could not sustain the attack and Lewis eventually regained control of the fight. But unlike Holyfield, who fights a controlled fight, Tyson goes all out for as long as he can in his bid to regain the belts. True he might eventually run out of steam, but if anyone has a chance to stop Lewis early it is Tyson.
3. Hand Speed: While Tyson’s hand speed has slowed down some, he can still pull the triggerquicker than any heavyweight in the game today. If he is successful in luring Lewis into a toe to toe exchange Tyson would get off first.
4. Body attack: Tyson’s height and reach disadvantage could be turned into an advantage if Tyson can get inside, where his physique works in his favor. Nobody has sustained a body attack against Lewis, so it’s hard to determine how he will react.
5. Size : Lewis is best against taller opponents. ( Akinwande 6’7, Mavrovic 6’4”,Briggs 6’4”, McCall 6’2”, and Rahman , reinforce this opinion). With the way to beat Lewis being an inside, aggressive attack, the compact powerful physique is tailor made to achieve this task.
6. Lewis’ Chin : It’s weak and he leaves it exposed. Enough said.
7. Money : A huge motivation factor. Tyson needs it!
8. Tyson needs Boxing: Boxing defines Mike. He is nothing in his own mind unless he is the Champ. Lewis has a much better head on his shoulders.
9. Cus D’Amato: The one thing Cus passed on to Tyson was a passionate respect for boxing history. Even though Cus is dead, Tyson wants to make him proud more than anything else in his life.
10. Being a Hero : Although it may be a mere memory, it was not all that long ago that Mike was America’s hero, the toast of the town. He had commercials , video games and many sponsorships. Tyson does care what people think of him regardless of what he may say or project. He wants to be the toast of the town again. To do this he believes he must regain the title and all will be well in Tysonland again.
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