Some of these demonstrate new heights of atrocious hideousness. A few of the eagles are nice. All are cartoonish and lack an artistic, sculpted look. With that, a few of the designs could have shown promise.
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The two selected obverses do nothing for me. The reverses are a little better, but not what I would have picked. Kudos for using an allegorical Liberty though.
I was under the impression this was going to be an Ultra High relief coin but it is not, it is only a High Relief coin. This will not be a companion then to the earlier UHR coin and that limits its potential unless they pick a killer design. If it is the PC design the COFA recommends it will be a dog long-term is my guess.
I don't particularly care for any of the obverse designs, but in today's PC world, the PC designs are sure to win whether or not they are the nicer designs. I'll keep my money thank you.
<< <i>I don't particularly care for any of the obverse designs, but in today's PC world, the PC designs are sure to win whether or not they are the nicer designs. I'll keep my money thank you. >>
Are you talking about the one with the black woman on the obverse? This may be a good coin to buy if they use that design because the mintage would probably be extremely low and this coin would be the rarest coin in the modern gold series.
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Is there any reason for these issues other than to make money for the Mint?
What authorizing act permits a $75 coin to be struck?
If they are going to be whores, why not make the silver piece a $7.50 coin while they are at it?
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<< <i>If they are going to be whores, why not make the silver piece a $7.50 coin while they are at it? >>
Don't give them any ideas.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Can't say I agree with what seems--if I correctly interpret some of the posts-- to be the definition of "PC" here.
An eagle with just an olive branch and no arrows? Hate it. That's PC to me.
A Boy Scout commem with a girl on it? Hate it. That's PC to me.
A Liberty who's African-American? Like it. She looks strong and dignified to me, not Disneyfied as some of the other obverses struck me.
Just my 2 cents.
Whether it's a good candidate for high relief is another question, and a good one. I'd be curious to hear what some of the forumites feel is most high-relief-friendly in a design?
As far as the reverse recommendations C-1 eagle is same pose as the 2009 UHR reverse. Come on at least change the pose. C-10 eagle-the wings make the eagle seem fat. Looks more like a turkey.
Hello Dan Carr! Are these, or at least the rejected designs proprietary? I would buy a 22,24 or 25 type obverse. I know this question has been answered but asking anyway.
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<< <i>Can't say I agree with what seems--if I correctly interpret some of the posts-- to be the definition of "PC" here.
An eagle with just an olive branch and no arrows? Hate it. That's PC to me.
A Boy Scout commem with a girl on it? Hate it. That's PC to me.
A Liberty who's African-American? Like it. She looks strong and dignified to me, not Disneyfied as some of the other obverses struck me.
Just my 2 cents.
Whether it's a good candidate for high relief is another question, and a good one. I'd be curious to hear what some of the forumites feel is most high-relief-friendly in a design? >>
The lady on obverse 3 looks like my late brother's adopted daughter, and what's wrong with that?
That said, I still question the necessity of striking a high relief art medal with a made-up denomination just to sell to collectors.
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I guess I am a fan of classic coinage when it comes to the designs!
I actually like the obverse #18, as the image of Lady Liberty looks like a classical statue rather than an actual person, and I believe the sculptural details would lend them themselves to a high relief design.
This one also seems to me like a modern evolution of the reverse of the Libertas Americana medal, with the Lady dressed in a flowing gown. Since the war has ended, she no longer needs her chainmail, helmet, shield and spear, and, instead, can hold a torch to enlighten the world. She is accompanied by a capable young child (as the U.S. still is "young" in comparison to other nations), now growing on toward adulthood from the infant that previously needed protection, and the former oppressor is now gone. At least, that is how I would interpret the symbolism.
<< <i>Can't say I agree with what seems--if I correctly interpret some of the posts-- to be the definition of "PC" here.
An eagle with just an olive branch and no arrows? Hate it. That's PC to me.
A Boy Scout commem with a girl on it? Hate it. That's PC to me.
A Liberty who's African-American? Like it. She looks strong and dignified to me, not Disneyfied as some of the other obverses struck me.
Just my 2 cents.
Whether it's a good candidate for high relief is another question, and a good one. I'd be curious to hear what some of the forumites feel is most high-relief-friendly in a design? >>
It is hard to respond without getting too political for the U.S. coin forum, and I have no problem with an African American Liberty, or any other race. I just personally feel that of the group of garbage designs submitted, one should be in the top two, and the other is there because of political correctness. JMO
<< <i>I don't particularly care for any of the obverse designs, but in today's PC world, the PC designs are sure to win whether or not they are the nicer designs. I'll keep my money thank you. >>
Are you talking about the one with the black woman on the obverse? This may be a good coin to buy if they use that design because the mintage would probably be extremely low and this coin would be the rarest coin in the modern gold series. >>
Why do you think this would be the case? Are collectors simply less likely to buy the coin if a Black woman depicts Liberty?
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<< <i>I don't particularly care for any of the obverse designs, but in today's PC world, the PC designs are sure to win whether or not they are the nicer designs. I'll keep my money thank you. >>
Are you talking about the one with the black woman on the obverse? This may be a good coin to buy if they use that design because the mintage would probably be extremely low and this coin would be the rarest coin in the modern gold series. >>
Why do you think this would be the case? Are collectors simply less likely to buy the coin if a Black woman depicts Liberty? >>
Even ASG used Hettie Anderson as a part of his inspiration for the $10 and $20 gold pieces and Hettie Anderson is an African-American
<< <i>Why do you think this would be the case? Are collectors simply less likely to buy the coin if a Black woman depicts Liberty? >>
Even ASG used Hettie Anderson as a part of his inspiration for the $10 and $20 gold pieces and Hettie Anderson is an African-American >>
Have you guys noticed all the negative comments concerning the political correctness of these two designs with the black Miss Liberty? This will be a turn off for many collectors as evidenced here. Also, the surviving pictures of Hettie Anderson show her as being multi racial and she looks nothing like the portrait on the $10 gold coin which has Caucasian features although ASG may have used her body as the model for the standing liberty on the gold double eagle. If a minority is to be used, why not a Indian? Why not a male Mr Liberty? I like the design of the facing Indian chief wearing the full war bonnet on the $5 silver certificate. It would look great in high relief on a gold coin. As a matter of disclosure I'm part Cherokee so I might be a little biased.
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Can someone lamenting these designs as "PC" actually explain why they think so? I think these are a pleasing group of designs that would look great in high relief. Most of these are just reorganizing the same elements. The only thing I see that is any deviation from traditional allegory would be the ethnic features of Liberty on a few of the designs.
"PC" would be transgender Liberty in a wheelchair reading the Quran. On the contrary, these elements look mostly traditional and rah-rah America to me.
<< <i>Can someone lamenting these designs as "PC" actually explain why they think so? I think these are a pleasing group of designs that would look great in high relief. Most of these are just reorganizing the same elements. The only thing I see that is any deviation from traditional allegory would be the ethnic features of Liberty on a few of the designs.
"PC" would be transgender Liberty in a wheelchair reading the Quran. On the contrary, these elements look mostly traditional and rah-rah America to me. >>
The above comment bears repeating.
I, too, am waiting for an explanation from those who are criticizing these designs as being "politically correct."
Personally, I find most of these designs quite exhilarating and a welcome departure from those neoclassical designs from more than a century ago. Nothing wrong with the old designs, but I see no reason that we, as a nation, have to keep resurrecting them over and over again. Let them be and let's focus on contemporary designs like other countries seem to be doing. Judging from the recent COTY awards, American coin design is gradually making progress, but still has a long way to go. We are in the 21st century, you know. My guess is the Mint is still trying to appease the so-called collector base of this hobby that stubbornly clings to these old classics. What a shame.
Updated coverage from the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee (CCAC) meeting held today, 1/27. Mint News Blog
The CCAC is in favor of O-11 and R-1. "This represented the first time that a perfect score had been received in the voting for both the obverse and reverse designs."
"Before the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee began discussing the design candidates for the gold coin and silver medal, a series of six motions were introduced dealing with specific aspects of the coin and medal.
The six motions were as follows:
1 - A recommendation was reaffirmed for producing the silver medal on a 40.6 mm planchet to maximize eye appeal. This is the planchet size used for the popular American Silver Eagle bullion and collector coins. 2 - A recommendation was made for the relief of the silver medal to be maximized to the fullest possible extent and in excess of the relief established for the American Silver Eagle. 3 - A recommendation was made to use “One Union” with a value of $100 as the denomination for the gold coin. This denomination, which was never used for actual coinage, had been historically envisioned to represent $100 on United States coinage. 4 - A recommendation was made to include mint marks on the silver medals in the same fashion as had been done for the 2011 September 11 National Silver Medals. The West Point Mint with the “W” mint mark and the San Francisco Mint with the “S” mint marks were mentioned as potential facilities which could be utilized to provide a solid supply of medals. 5 - A recommendation was made to include edge reeding on the silver medals to provide the best presentation. Historically, the United States Mint has not used edge reeding for medals. 6 - While the Mint has considered the gold coin and silver medal as a one year program, the CCAC made a recommendation for an ongoing series of Liberty themed silver medals to satisfy the anticipated strong demand from collectors and to allow Mint artists to fully explore and develop the theme and multicultural aspects of modern Liberty over a number of years.
All six motions were unaimously approved by the members of the CCAC."
the link holding the flag is attached to nothing the link should be pulled out from the weight of the flag the vertical strengthener on the back edge of the flag needs to be curved.
I will pass. I am saving my money for the 2016 proposed classic 1916 designs. This in not an ultra high relief so no completion with the 2009 UHR also.
<< <i>Can someone lamenting these designs as "PC" actually explain why they think so? I think these are a pleasing group of designs that would look great in high relief. Most of these are just reorganizing the same elements. The only thing I see that is any deviation from traditional allegory would be the ethnic features of Liberty on a few of the designs.
"PC" would be transgender Liberty in a wheelchair reading the Quran. On the contrary, these elements look mostly traditional and rah-rah America to me. >>
The above comment bears repeating.
I, too, am waiting for an explanation from those who are criticizing these designs as being "politically correct."
Personally, I find most of these designs quite exhilarating and a welcome departure from those neoclassical designs from more than a century ago. Nothing wrong with the old designs, but I see no reason that we, as a nation, have to keep resurrecting them over and over again. Let them be and let's focus on contemporary designs like other countries seem to be doing. Judging from the recent COTY awards, American coin design is gradually making progress, but still has a long way to go. We are in the 21st century, you know. My guess is the Mint is still trying to appease the so-called collector base of this hobby that stubbornly clings to these old classics. What a shame. >>
The allegorical Liberty figure was a Roman invention. The Romans would have never depicted Liberty with African features. If they want to create a syncretic figure...a combination of the Roman Liberty and a representation of the common American...that's fine. But that's not what they did with the CFA's first design recommendation. Over 70% of Americans are "white" with mostly European features. There's only something like 12%-13% of African Americans in the U.S. That said, however, I wouldn't exactly call the CFA's design recommendation "politically correct". I called it something like "social appeasement".
"Man will never be perfect until he learns to create and destroy; he does know how to destroy, and that is half the battle.” - Alexandre Dumas, The Count of Monte Cristo
The Roman Empire stretched from Hardian's Wall to what is now Basra in Iraq. What did the average citizen of that expanse look like?
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<< <i>Can someone lamenting these designs as "PC" actually explain why they think so? I think these are a pleasing group of designs that would look great in high relief. Most of these are just reorganizing the same elements. The only thing I see that is any deviation from traditional allegory would be the ethnic features of Liberty on a few of the designs.
"PC" would be transgender Liberty in a wheelchair reading the Quran. On the contrary, these elements look mostly traditional and rah-rah America to me. >>
The above comment bears repeating.
I, too, am waiting for an explanation from those who are criticizing these designs as being "politically correct."
Personally, I find most of these designs quite exhilarating and a welcome departure from those neoclassical designs from more than a century ago. Nothing wrong with the old designs, but I see no reason that we, as a nation, have to keep resurrecting them over and over again. Let them be and let's focus on contemporary designs like other countries seem to be doing. Judging from the recent COTY awards, American coin design is gradually making progress, but still has a long way to go. We are in the 21st century, you know. My guess is the Mint is still trying to appease the so-called collector base of this hobby that stubbornly clings to these old classics. What a shame. >>
The allegorical Liberty figure was a Roman invention. The Romans would have never depicted Liberty with African features. If they want to create a syncretic figure...a combination of the Roman Liberty and a representation of the common American...that's fine. But that's not what they did with the CFA's first design recommendation. Over 70% of Americans are "white" with mostly European features. There's only something like 12%-13% of African Americans in the U.S. That said, however, I wouldn't exactly call the CFA's design recommendation "politically correct". I called it something like "social appeasement". >>
No question - obviously the case. Such as shame as some of the other obverses were really fantastic.
<< <i>The Roman Empire stretched from Hardian's Wall to what is now Basra in Iraq. What did the average citizen of that expanse look like? >>
It also expanded into northern Africa. But those were conquered lands. There would be no reason for the Romans to model their gods after people of conquered areas.
My problem with the CFA's first design recommendation is basic: It's not Liberty. I have the same issue with depictions of Jesus as a European. Obviously, Jesus was a Semitic Middle Easterner. There's no way he would have light brown hair and fair skin. But back to Liberty...
As I mentioned, if they want to create a new syncretic figure to put on the coin with African or Asian or Latino features, that's fine. But they shouldn't call that figure Liberty. Call it something else.
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The two selected obverses do nothing for me. The reverses are a little better, but not what I would have picked. Kudos for using an allegorical Liberty though.
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<< <i>I don't particularly care for any of the obverse designs, but in today's PC world, the PC designs are sure to win whether or not they are the nicer designs. I'll keep my money thank you. >>
Are you talking about the one with the black woman on the obverse? This may be a good coin to buy if they use that design because the mintage would probably be extremely low and this coin would be the rarest coin in the modern gold series.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
What authorizing act permits a $75 coin to be struck?
If they are going to be whores, why not make the silver piece a $7.50 coin while they are at it?
<< <i>If they are going to be whores, why not make the silver piece a $7.50 coin while they are at it? >>
Don't give them any ideas.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
An eagle with just an olive branch and no arrows? Hate it. That's PC to me.
A Boy Scout commem with a girl on it? Hate it. That's PC to me.
A Liberty who's African-American? Like it. She looks strong and dignified to me, not Disneyfied as some of the other obverses struck me.
Just my 2 cents.
Whether it's a good candidate for high relief is another question, and a good one. I'd be curious to hear what some of the forumites feel is most high-relief-friendly in a design?
C-1 eagle is same pose as the 2009 UHR reverse. Come on at least change the pose.
C-10 eagle-the wings make the eagle seem fat. Looks more like a turkey.
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I know this question has been answered but asking anyway.
Well, just Love coins, period.
1921 Peace and type 2 or type 3 Standing Liberty quarters.
<< <i>How about choosing past designs that were notorious for poor strikes?
1921 Peace and type 2 or type 3 Standing Liberty quarters. >>
I would love to see these. I'd go for a Type 1 though!
<< <i>Can't say I agree with what seems--if I correctly interpret some of the posts-- to be the definition of "PC" here.
An eagle with just an olive branch and no arrows? Hate it. That's PC to me.
A Boy Scout commem with a girl on it? Hate it. That's PC to me.
A Liberty who's African-American? Like it. She looks strong and dignified to me, not Disneyfied as some of the other obverses struck me.
Just my 2 cents.
Whether it's a good candidate for high relief is another question, and a good one. I'd be curious to hear what some of the forumites feel is most high-relief-friendly in a design? >>
The lady on obverse 3 looks like my late brother's adopted daughter, and what's wrong with that?
That said, I still question the necessity of striking a high relief art medal with a made-up denomination just to sell to collectors.
I actually like the obverse #18, as the image of Lady Liberty looks like a classical statue rather than an actual person, and I believe the sculptural details would lend them themselves to a high relief design.
This one also seems to me like a modern evolution of the reverse of the Libertas Americana medal, with the Lady dressed in a flowing gown. Since the war has ended, she no longer needs her chainmail, helmet, shield and spear, and, instead, can hold a torch to enlighten the world. She is accompanied by a capable young child (as the U.S. still is "young" in comparison to other nations), now growing on toward adulthood from the infant that previously needed protection, and the former oppressor is now gone. At least, that is how I would interpret the symbolism.
<< <i>Can't say I agree with what seems--if I correctly interpret some of the posts-- to be the definition of "PC" here.
An eagle with just an olive branch and no arrows? Hate it. That's PC to me.
A Boy Scout commem with a girl on it? Hate it. That's PC to me.
A Liberty who's African-American? Like it. She looks strong and dignified to me, not Disneyfied as some of the other obverses struck me.
Just my 2 cents.
Whether it's a good candidate for high relief is another question, and a good one. I'd be curious to hear what some of the forumites feel is most high-relief-friendly in a design? >>
It is hard to respond without getting too political for the U.S. coin forum, and I have no problem with an African American Liberty, or any other race. I just personally feel that of the group of garbage designs submitted, one should be in the top two, and the other is there because of political correctness. JMO
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<< <i>I don't particularly care for any of the obverse designs, but in today's PC world, the PC designs are sure to win whether or not they are the nicer designs. I'll keep my money thank you. >>
Are you talking about the one with the black woman on the obverse? This may be a good coin to buy if they use that design because the mintage would probably be extremely low and this coin would be the rarest coin in the modern gold series. >>
Why do you think this would be the case? Are collectors simply less likely to buy the coin if a Black woman depicts Liberty?
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<< <i>I don't particularly care for any of the obverse designs, but in today's PC world, the PC designs are sure to win whether or not they are the nicer designs. I'll keep my money thank you. >>
Are you talking about the one with the black woman on the obverse? This may be a good coin to buy if they use that design because the mintage would probably be extremely low and this coin would be the rarest coin in the modern gold series. >>
Why do you think this would be the case? Are collectors simply less likely to buy the coin if a Black woman depicts Liberty? >>
Even ASG used Hettie Anderson as a part of his inspiration for the $10 and $20 gold pieces and Hettie Anderson is an African-American
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<< <i>Why do you think this would be the case? Are collectors simply less likely to buy the coin if a Black woman depicts Liberty? >>
Even ASG used Hettie Anderson as a part of his inspiration for the $10 and $20 gold pieces and Hettie Anderson is an African-American >>
Have you guys noticed all the negative comments concerning the political correctness of these two designs with the black Miss Liberty? This will be a turn off for many collectors as evidenced here. Also, the surviving pictures of Hettie Anderson show her as being multi racial and she looks nothing like the portrait on the $10 gold coin which has Caucasian features although ASG may have used her body as the model for the standing liberty on the gold double eagle. If a minority is to be used, why not a Indian? Why not a male Mr Liberty? I like the design of the facing Indian chief wearing the full war bonnet on the $5 silver certificate. It would look great in high relief on a gold coin. As a matter of disclosure I'm part Cherokee so I might be a little biased.
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Modern crap is simply that......CRAP!!!
"PC" would be transgender Liberty in a wheelchair reading the Quran. On the contrary, these elements look mostly traditional and rah-rah America to me.
Jumping the shark is a good analogy here ... someone was trying just a leeeetle too hard to be creative ...
I'd call almost all of these too clever by half. Or maybe even three-quarters.
<< <i>Can someone lamenting these designs as "PC" actually explain why they think so? I think these are a pleasing group of designs that would look great in high relief. Most of these are just reorganizing the same elements. The only thing I see that is any deviation from traditional allegory would be the ethnic features of Liberty on a few of the designs.
"PC" would be transgender Liberty in a wheelchair reading the Quran. On the contrary, these elements look mostly traditional and rah-rah America to me. >>
The above comment bears repeating.
I, too, am waiting for an explanation from those who are criticizing these designs as being "politically correct."
Personally, I find most of these designs quite exhilarating and a welcome departure from those neoclassical designs from more than a century ago. Nothing wrong with the old designs, but I see no reason that we, as a nation, have to keep resurrecting them over and over again. Let them be and let's focus on contemporary designs like other countries seem to be doing. Judging from the recent COTY awards, American coin design is gradually making progress, but still has a long way to go. We are in the 21st century, you know. My guess is the Mint is still trying to appease the so-called collector base of this hobby that stubbornly clings to these old classics. What a shame.
The CCAC is in favor of O-11 and R-1. "This represented the first time that a perfect score had been received in the voting for both the obverse and reverse designs."
Quote from the article:
"Before the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee began discussing the design candidates for the gold coin and silver medal, a series of six motions were introduced dealing with specific aspects of the coin and medal.
The six motions were as follows:
1 - A recommendation was reaffirmed for producing the silver medal on a 40.6 mm planchet to maximize eye appeal. This is the planchet size used for the popular American Silver Eagle bullion and collector coins.
2 - A recommendation was made for the relief of the silver medal to be maximized to the fullest possible extent and in excess of the relief established for the American Silver Eagle.
3 - A recommendation was made to use “One Union” with a value of $100 as the denomination for the gold coin. This denomination, which was never used for actual coinage, had been historically envisioned to represent $100 on United States coinage.
4 - A recommendation was made to include mint marks on the silver medals in the same fashion as had been done for the 2011 September 11 National Silver Medals. The West Point Mint with the “W” mint mark and the San Francisco Mint with the “S” mint marks were mentioned as potential facilities which could be utilized to provide a solid supply of medals.
5 - A recommendation was made to include edge reeding on the silver medals to provide the best presentation. Historically, the United States Mint has not used edge reeding for medals.
6 - While the Mint has considered the gold coin and silver medal as a one year program, the CCAC made a recommendation for an ongoing series of Liberty themed silver medals to satisfy the anticipated strong demand from collectors and to allow Mint artists to fully explore and develop the theme and multicultural aspects of modern Liberty over a number of years.
All six motions were unaimously approved by the members of the CCAC."
Great eagle but I wish it had arrows as well as the olive branch.
Seen worse though.
I also have all the designs in large format if anyone wants to see them.
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the link should be pulled out from the weight of the flag
the vertical strengthener on the back edge of the flag needs to be curved.
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Not a fan of the design and the fact it is a medal as well... Pass
The obverse is one of the worst of the ones considered IMHO. There were some very nice choices but this was not one of them. VERY disappointing.
I may buy this years 2015 Platinum Proof.
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<< <i>Can someone lamenting these designs as "PC" actually explain why they think so? I think these are a pleasing group of designs that would look great in high relief. Most of these are just reorganizing the same elements. The only thing I see that is any deviation from traditional allegory would be the ethnic features of Liberty on a few of the designs.
"PC" would be transgender Liberty in a wheelchair reading the Quran. On the contrary, these elements look mostly traditional and rah-rah America to me. >>
The above comment bears repeating.
I, too, am waiting for an explanation from those who are criticizing these designs as being "politically correct."
Personally, I find most of these designs quite exhilarating and a welcome departure from those neoclassical designs from more than a century ago. Nothing wrong with the old designs, but I see no reason that we, as a nation, have to keep resurrecting them over and over again. Let them be and let's focus on contemporary designs like other countries seem to be doing. Judging from the recent COTY awards, American coin design is gradually making progress, but still has a long way to go. We are in the 21st century, you know. My guess is the Mint is still trying to appease the so-called collector base of this hobby that stubbornly clings to these old classics. What a shame. >>
The allegorical Liberty figure was a Roman invention. The Romans would have never depicted Liberty with African features. If they want to create a syncretic figure...a combination of the Roman Liberty and a representation of the common American...that's fine. But that's not what they did with the CFA's first design recommendation. Over 70% of Americans are "white" with mostly European features. There's only something like 12%-13% of African Americans in the U.S. That said, however, I wouldn't exactly call the CFA's design recommendation "politically correct". I called it something like "social appeasement".
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<< <i>Can someone lamenting these designs as "PC" actually explain why they think so? I think these are a pleasing group of designs that would look great in high relief. Most of these are just reorganizing the same elements. The only thing I see that is any deviation from traditional allegory would be the ethnic features of Liberty on a few of the designs.
"PC" would be transgender Liberty in a wheelchair reading the Quran. On the contrary, these elements look mostly traditional and rah-rah America to me. >>
The above comment bears repeating.
I, too, am waiting for an explanation from those who are criticizing these designs as being "politically correct."
Personally, I find most of these designs quite exhilarating and a welcome departure from those neoclassical designs from more than a century ago. Nothing wrong with the old designs, but I see no reason that we, as a nation, have to keep resurrecting them over and over again. Let them be and let's focus on contemporary designs like other countries seem to be doing. Judging from the recent COTY awards, American coin design is gradually making progress, but still has a long way to go. We are in the 21st century, you know. My guess is the Mint is still trying to appease the so-called collector base of this hobby that stubbornly clings to these old classics. What a shame. >>
The allegorical Liberty figure was a Roman invention. The Romans would have never depicted Liberty with African features. If they want to create a syncretic figure...a combination of the Roman Liberty and a representation of the common American...that's fine. But that's not what they did with the CFA's first design recommendation. Over 70% of Americans are "white" with mostly European features. There's only something like 12%-13% of African Americans in the U.S. That said, however, I wouldn't exactly call the CFA's design recommendation "politically correct". I called it something like "social appeasement". >>
No question - obviously the case. Such as shame as some of the other obverses were really fantastic.
<< <i>The Roman Empire stretched from Hardian's Wall to what is now Basra in Iraq. What did the average citizen of that expanse look like? >>
It also expanded into northern Africa. But those were conquered lands. There would be no reason for the Romans to model their gods after people of conquered areas.
My problem with the CFA's first design recommendation is basic: It's not Liberty. I have the same issue with depictions of Jesus as a European. Obviously, Jesus was a Semitic Middle Easterner. There's no way he would have light brown hair and fair skin. But back to Liberty...
As I mentioned, if they want to create a new syncretic figure to put on the coin with African or Asian or Latino features, that's fine. But they shouldn't call that figure Liberty. Call it something else.
- Alexandre Dumas, The Count of Monte Cristo
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