<< <i>It's a douchey move no doubt. I was after a card which regularly sells for $10-12 dlvd that was listed with a $19.99 bin/bo. I submitted 2 offers which were auto declined, my 3rd was never responded to. >>
You should have known they only respond to offers two dollars lower than their list price. What's wrong with you.
<< <i>Recently I offered $7 for an item listed at $15. Lowball, yes, but I always start low just to get a feel. I only wanted $2 or $3 off the item. Auto-declined at $7. Offered $8, declined. Offered $9, declined. Out of offers now. So I was forced to pay $15, no big deal, but you better believe the seller is getting 1 or 2 stars on communication. How do I know what you want if you refuse to communicate. >>
To every seller here, this is one of the biggest reasons to have good communication and great customer service. There will always be these customers in the world. They exists in every market. They are the type that hold grudges, and will at all costs hurt your business. To some, it's entertainment but mainly they're unhappy with their stars/lot in life and instead of bettering themselves they feel like the way to get ahead is by tearing down everyone in their path. I'll say it again: sellers, it's best to remove auto decline and respond to every offer. >>
I messaged the guy after I bought the item as to why he never countered, to which he responded 'I wanted $13'. To which I asked 'Why didn't you counter $13 then?'. To which he went off on a tangent about not liking to have to counter-offer. His lack of communication cost me $2. Not a big deal, but I certainly couldn't reward him for it.
<< <i>Because there's a lot of buyers that aren't very smart that will eventually just hit the $15 BIN. >>
I see what you did there >>
Very well played. >>
And it only cost the seller a low DSR on communication. Well player, seller. Well played indeed! >>
Unlike you that seller still has the ability to sell on Ebay and he got you for full pop on the item. And if he's smart he has you blocked from future purposes and the stars will likely not stick. So ya, I'd say this round goes to the seller.
I was recently offered $40 for a card I have for sale for $1,750 OBO. Yes - $40!! A 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle #82. I don't care what kind of shape it is in, that card I PROMISE is worth more than $40. When the offer is that offensive, then they get blocked. I have no time for tom foolery.
Apparently you do, as it takes time to not only block a buyer (more time than to ignore or decline the offer I assume) and to talk about it later.
<< <i>I was recently offered $40 for a card I have for sale for $1,750 OBO. Yes - $40!! A 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle #82. I don't care what kind of shape it is in, that card I PROMISE is worth more than $40. When the offer is that offensive, then they get blocked. I have no time for tom foolery. >>
Regarding the 707 comment where they wouldn't accept $700 on a $705 item. I wonder if it was BO or just a BIN. I could see only accepting your BIN price on a fixed price listing, but if that was a BO listing, then why even bother using BO if your best price below asking is less than a 1% discount? BO usually means I am willing to negotiate and .007% is not a negotiation.
I collect Steve Garvey, Dodgers and signed cards. Collector since 1978.
<< <i>Not sure why you did not wait for a response or walk away. You can't fix stupid / short sighted so just move along, support someone else and find the commodities from another source. Reminds me of a board member who recently told me he would no longer sell to me because I requested a $5 discount below his ASKING price, after spending about $2,000 with him in 2014. No wonder he has BIG personal issues. >>
That is a pretty wild story.....I cannot believe a seller would lose a customer over this.
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>Not sure why you did not wait for a response or walk away. You can't fix stupid / short sighted so just move along, support someone else and find the commodities from another source. Reminds me of a board member who recently told me he would no longer sell to me because I requested a $5 discount below his ASKING price, after spending about $2,000 with him in 2014. No wonder he has BIG personal issues. >>
That is a pretty wild story.....I cannot believe a seller would lose a customer over this. >>
Nothing against djr, but there has to be more to that story. Too crazy as stated.
<< <i>Apparently you do, as it takes time to not only block a buyer (more time than to ignore or decline the offer I assume) and to talk about it later. >>
Blocking a fool ends it. If I didn't do that, then I am subject to more foolish bids/offers in the future. Did they not teach you anything?
Sigh. So many people put their pride over their best interests. Looks like you handled it well, djr. I didn't mean to challenge you. Just sounded like a wild story!
That assumes you have something else that same buyer wants. You still spent time dealing with the buyer either way.
Who is "they", but the way, and what were "they" suppose to teach me?
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<< <i>Apparently you do, as it takes time to not only block a buyer (more time than to ignore or decline the offer I assume) and to talk about it later. >>
Blocking a fool ends it. If I didn't do that, then I am subject to more foolish bids/offers in the future. Did they not teach you anything? >>
I collect Steve Garvey, Dodgers and signed cards. Collector since 1978.
<< <i>That is a pretty wild story.....I cannot believe a seller would lose a customer over this.
Nothing against djr, but there has to be more to that story. Too crazy as stated. >>
Actually, there isn't any more to the story, this was his reply to my request to purchase cards and my reply that did not receive a reply (our names removed):
'Sorry, I will no longer sell you cards, I didn't care for how you felt it necessary to beat me down on Ripken rookies in our last dealing. I had priced those cards very fairly, yet you felt it necessary to request a better deal and when I refused you walked. Yes to answer your question, I'm selling them all, but unwilling to sell to you.'
My reply, Very myopic! If an offer does not work for me, I simply say no thank you AND explain why but never make it personal. People have different opinions on subjective card aesthetics and values, including you. I spend a couple grand on cards and the one time you do not like my bulk offer by $5 or $10 (on easy to find modern) you get bent out of shape? Sorry that you took my offer personally and it left a bad taste. By the way, you told me, ''Thanks I will pass, My prices are firm...'' When you passed, I figured...we tried! You realistically can't expect to make a deal with everyone every time. I could have easily felt the same way you did (but didn't) and try to have much thicker skin. I still hold no ill will and hope you have success selling the cards. Good luck!'
P.S. The cards ended up NOT selling on the BST so others must have felt they were not worth the asking price. One day, he marked every card as sold. When someone called this out, he stated they were sent to a consignment service... >>
That is a bizarre story! Quashing a deal for multiple items over $5 or $10? Wow..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I have a quick bin/bo story nothing exciting though. Recently, I offered like $26 on a graded Michael Jordan card priced at 123.23 (try and find the card on eBay, it's still for sale lol). The card is worth about 23.23 (seriously). I was very hesitant to even offer because his bin was so rediculously high, it's been for sale for probably a year and a half. Seller counters with $50, I counter with 28 and respond by saying that the last card went for $20 (which it did) and the seller never responded and let my offer expire. The guy has very nice BGS Jordan's for sale, just too bad he's not actually interested in selling any of them.
It's funny that he dropped his price from 123 to 50 instantly. Shouldn't that tell even him that his price is too high lol. Now if he could only drop from 50 to 25 he'd be in the ball park, but as of right now he's sitting on planet Fluhflooga!!
Note: I'm pretty sure Fluhflooga is not an actual planet, I stole that line from the show "boy meets world". I'm younger than most of you lol.
I find that prices for jordan cards/inserts vary differently from listing to listing depending on things such as conditon, whether it was an auction, seller feedback, etc.
From my standpoint, and you may be right about it being a $25 card, I didnt look it up, but I dont personally care what the last one went for, it is irrelevant, especially if I am the lowest priced of all that is left. Some people value their stuff more than others, it doesnt make them right or wrong. Honestly, in this instance, if he had a $123 BIN/BO, I would not make an offer as I feel he was asking too much, which is his right.
Added: I did check it out and he has three cards listed for the price you mentioned...one of them has another one by another seller in PSA 10 for $28, the other two, there are no others in PSA 10 and on one of those, there isnt another available, so basically, he controls the market so long as he has the only one.
"I have a quick bin/bo story nothing exciting though. Recently, I offered like $26 on a graded Michael Jordan card priced at 123.23 (try and find the card on eBay, it's still for sale lol). The card is worth about 23.23 (seriously). I was very hesitant to even offer because his bin was so rediculously high, it's been for sale for probably a year and a half. Seller counters with $50, I counter with 28 and respond by saying that the last card went for $20 (which it did) and the seller never responded and let my offer expire. The guy has very nice BGS Jordan's for sale, just too bad he's not actually interested in selling any of them.
It's funny that he dropped his price from 123 to 50 instantly. Shouldn't that tell even him that his price is too high lol."
I think there's many sellers who are trolling for the uneducated and uninformed buyers. The wifey wants to buy the hubby something neat for his birthday. Oh! Here's a Jordan card for 123.23 he'll love that and this nice man on ebay wouldn't be out to gouge anyone. Just my 2 cents.
<< <i>MO, if a guy's unresponsive on BIN- move on. Life's too short to waste on jerks. >>
Why is the seller a jerk because he doesn't respond to a BIN offer?? Maybe the BUYER is a jerk for offering $40 on a card that a seller is asking $1,750 on?
<< <i>MO, if a guy's unresponsive on BIN- move on. Life's too short to waste on jerks. >>
Why is the seller a jerk because he doesn't respond to a BIN offer?? Maybe the BUYER is a jerk for offering $40 on a card that a seller is asking $1,750 on? >>
Is that what we are talking about here. Not responding at all, or declining instead of counter-offering reasonable offers, is what people find "jerky".
<< <i>Not responding at all, or declining instead of counter-offering reasonable offers, is what people find "jerky". >>
If the offer is close, then yes, a reasonable counter should be acceptable if the original offer is just a bit too low for the seller. However on some offers ($40 vs $1,750 being an extreme example, but a legitimate one nonetheless), the gap is just way too huge to even attempt a counter. In that instance, ignore or decline is the correct response.
<< <i>Not responding at all, or declining instead of counter-offering reasonable offers, is what people find "jerky". >>
If the offer is close, then yes, a reasonable counter should be acceptable if the original offer is just a bit too low for the seller. However on some offers ($40 vs $1,750 being an extreme example, but a legitimate one nonetheless), the gap is just way too huge to even attempt a counter. In that instance, ignore or decline is the correct response. >>
I certainly agree with you there. I can't even count the amount of ridiculously low offers I have received in the past on high-end listings. I don't respond to ridiculous offers either, as it is a waste of time. But normally if the offer is at least around 50%, I will entertain it with a counter-offer. After 10+ years on ebay, I made a ton of sales from initially low-ball offers that were just "feelers".
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<< <i>It's a douchey move no doubt. I was after a card which regularly sells for $10-12 dlvd that was listed with a $19.99 bin/bo. I submitted 2 offers which were auto declined, my 3rd was never responded to. >>
You should have known they only respond to offers two dollars lower than their list price. What's wrong with you.
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<< <i>Recently I offered $7 for an item listed at $15. Lowball, yes, but I always start low just to get a feel. I only wanted $2 or $3 off the item. Auto-declined at $7. Offered $8, declined. Offered $9, declined. Out of offers now. So I was forced to pay $15, no big deal, but you better believe the seller is getting 1 or 2 stars on communication. How do I know what you want if you refuse to communicate. >>
To every seller here, this is one of the biggest reasons to have good communication and great customer service. There will always be these customers in the world. They exists in every market. They are the type that hold grudges, and will at all costs hurt your business. To some, it's entertainment but mainly they're unhappy with their stars/lot in life and instead of bettering themselves they feel like the way to get ahead is by tearing down everyone in their path. I'll say it again: sellers, it's best to remove auto decline and respond to every offer. >>
I messaged the guy after I bought the item as to why he never countered, to which he responded 'I wanted $13'. To which I asked 'Why didn't you counter $13 then?'. To which he went off on a tangent about not liking to have to counter-offer. His lack of communication cost me $2. Not a big deal, but I certainly couldn't reward him for it.
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<< <i>Because there's a lot of buyers that aren't very smart that will eventually just hit the $15 BIN. >>
I see what you did there
Very well played. >>
And it only cost the seller a low DSR on communication. Well player, seller. Well played indeed! >>
Unlike you that seller still has the ability to sell on Ebay and he got you for full pop on the item. And if he's smart he has you blocked from future purposes and the stars will likely not stick. So ya, I'd say this round goes to the seller.
Gotta love it when a buyer circumvents discourse on an 0-2 count and charges the mound after a seller roasts him on the outside corner @ 97.
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<< <i>I was recently offered $40 for a card I have for sale for $1,750 OBO. Yes - $40!! A 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle #82. I don't care what kind of shape it is in, that card I PROMISE is worth more than $40. When the offer is that offensive, then they get blocked. I have no time for tom foolery. >>
Regarding the 707 comment where they wouldn't accept $700 on a $705 item. I wonder if it was BO or just a BIN. I could see only accepting your BIN price on a fixed price listing, but if that was a BO listing, then why even bother using BO if your best price below asking is less than a 1% discount? BO usually means I am willing to negotiate and .007% is not a negotiation.
<< <i>Not sure why you did not wait for a response or walk away. You can't fix stupid / short sighted so just move along, support someone else and find the commodities from another source. Reminds me of a board member who recently told me he would no longer sell to me because I requested a $5 discount below his ASKING price, after spending about $2,000 with him in 2014. No wonder he has BIG personal issues. >>
That is a pretty wild story.....I cannot believe a seller would lose a customer over this.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
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<< <i>Not sure why you did not wait for a response or walk away. You can't fix stupid / short sighted so just move along, support someone else and find the commodities from another source. Reminds me of a board member who recently told me he would no longer sell to me because I requested a $5 discount below his ASKING price, after spending about $2,000 with him in 2014. No wonder he has BIG personal issues. >>
That is a pretty wild story.....I cannot believe a seller would lose a customer over this. >>
Nothing against djr, but there has to be more to that story. Too crazy as stated.
<< <i>Apparently you do, as it takes time to not only block a buyer (more time than to ignore or decline the offer I assume) and to talk about it later. >>
Blocking a fool ends it. If I didn't do that, then I am subject to more foolish bids/offers in the future. Did they not teach you anything?
Who is "they", but the way, and what were "they" suppose to teach me?
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<< <i>Apparently you do, as it takes time to not only block a buyer (more time than to ignore or decline the offer I assume) and to talk about it later. >>
Blocking a fool ends it. If I didn't do that, then I am subject to more foolish bids/offers in the future. Did they not teach you anything? >>
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<< <i>That is a pretty wild story.....I cannot believe a seller would lose a customer over this.
Nothing against djr, but there has to be more to that story. Too crazy as stated. >>
Actually, there isn't any more to the story, this was his reply to my request to purchase cards and my reply that did not receive a reply (our names removed):
'Sorry, I will no longer sell you cards, I didn't care for how you felt it necessary to beat me down on Ripken rookies in our last dealing. I had priced those cards very fairly, yet you felt it necessary to request a better deal and when I refused you walked. Yes to answer your question, I'm selling them all, but unwilling to sell to you.'
My reply,
Very myopic! If an offer does not work for me, I simply say no thank you AND explain why but never make it personal. People have different opinions on subjective card aesthetics and values, including you. I spend a couple grand on cards and the one time you do not like my bulk offer by $5 or $10 (on easy to find modern) you get bent out of shape? Sorry that you took my offer personally and it left a bad taste. By the way, you told me, ''Thanks I will pass, My prices are firm...'' When you passed, I figured...we tried! You realistically can't expect to make a deal with everyone every time. I could have easily felt the same way you did (but didn't) and try to have much thicker skin. I still hold no ill will and hope you have success selling the cards.
Good luck!'
P.S. The cards ended up NOT selling on the BST so others must have felt they were not worth the asking price. One day, he marked every card as sold. When someone called this out, he stated they were sent to a consignment service... >>
That is a bizarre story! Quashing a deal for multiple items over $5 or $10? Wow..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I have a quick bin/bo story nothing exciting though.
Recently, I offered like $26 on a graded Michael Jordan card priced at 123.23 (try and find the card on eBay, it's still for sale lol). The card is worth about 23.23 (seriously). I was very hesitant to even offer because his bin was so rediculously high, it's been for sale for probably a year and a half. Seller counters with $50, I counter with 28 and respond by saying that the last card went for $20 (which it did) and the seller never responded and let my offer expire. The guy has very nice BGS Jordan's for sale, just too bad he's not actually interested in selling any of them.
It's funny that he dropped his price from 123 to 50 instantly. Shouldn't that tell even him that his price is too high lol. Now if he could only drop from 50 to 25 he'd be in the ball park, but as of right now he's sitting on planet Fluhflooga!!
Note: I'm pretty sure Fluhflooga is not an actual planet, I stole that line from the show "boy meets world". I'm younger than most of you lol.
From my standpoint, and you may be right about it being a $25 card, I didnt look it up, but I dont personally care what the last one went for, it is irrelevant, especially if I am the lowest priced of all that is left. Some people value their stuff more than others, it doesnt make them right or wrong. Honestly, in this instance, if he had a $123 BIN/BO, I would not make an offer as I feel he was asking too much, which is his right.
Added: I did check it out and he has three cards listed for the price you mentioned...one of them has another one by another seller in PSA 10 for $28, the other two, there are no others in PSA 10 and on one of those, there isnt another available, so basically, he controls the market so long as he has the only one.
Recently, I offered like $26 on a graded Michael Jordan card priced at 123.23 (try and find the card on eBay, it's still for sale lol). The card is worth about 23.23 (seriously). I was very hesitant to even offer because his bin was so rediculously high, it's been for sale for probably a year and a half. Seller counters with $50, I counter with 28 and respond by saying that the last card went for $20 (which it did) and the seller never responded and let my offer expire. The guy has very nice BGS Jordan's for sale, just too bad he's not actually interested in selling any of them.
It's funny that he dropped his price from 123 to 50 instantly. Shouldn't that tell even him that his price is too high lol."
I think there's many sellers who are trolling for the uneducated and uninformed buyers. The wifey wants to buy the hubby something neat for his birthday. Oh! Here's a Jordan card for 123.23 he'll love that and this nice man on ebay
wouldn't be out to gouge anyone. Just my 2 cents.
As sellers we have the right to ask whatever we want.
As bidders we have the right to offer whatever we want.
As someone pointed out earlier, it's just business, so you can't take the other person's response personally.
Many sellers on eBay are decent. Some are absurd.
The great thing is that if you really want a particular item, most of the time it isn't so rare that you're unable to find someone else offering it.
IMO, if a guy's unresponsive on BIN- move on. Life's too short to waste on jerks.
<< <i>MO, if a guy's unresponsive on BIN- move on. Life's too short to waste on jerks. >>
Why is the seller a jerk because he doesn't respond to a BIN offer?? Maybe the BUYER is a jerk for offering $40 on a card that a seller is asking $1,750 on?
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<< <i>MO, if a guy's unresponsive on BIN- move on. Life's too short to waste on jerks. >>
Why is the seller a jerk because he doesn't respond to a BIN offer?? Maybe the BUYER is a jerk for offering $40 on a card that a seller is asking $1,750 on? >>
Is that what we are talking about here. Not responding at all, or declining instead of counter-offering reasonable offers, is what people find "jerky".
<< <i>Not responding at all, or declining instead of counter-offering reasonable offers, is what people find "jerky". >>
If the offer is close, then yes, a reasonable counter should be acceptable if the original offer is just a bit too low for the seller. However on some offers ($40 vs $1,750 being an extreme example, but a legitimate one nonetheless), the gap is just way too huge to even attempt a counter. In that instance, ignore or decline is the correct response.
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<< <i>Not responding at all, or declining instead of counter-offering reasonable offers, is what people find "jerky". >>
If the offer is close, then yes, a reasonable counter should be acceptable if the original offer is just a bit too low for the seller. However on some offers ($40 vs $1,750 being an extreme example, but a legitimate one nonetheless), the gap is just way too huge to even attempt a counter. In that instance, ignore or decline is the correct response. >>
I certainly agree with you there. I can't even count the amount of ridiculously low offers I have received in the past on high-end listings. I don't respond to ridiculous offers either, as it is a waste of time. But normally if the offer is at least around 50%, I will entertain it with a counter-offer. After 10+ years on ebay, I made a ton of sales from initially low-ball offers that were just "feelers".