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Guess the Grade: A 1980 Topps Johnny Bench Triptych *Grades Revealed*

grote15grote15 Posts: 29,738 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I was sorting through the 1978 OPC baseball cards I'd had graded over the years earlier tonight, and came across this trio of graded Jose Cruz cards, all three of which are different grades. Anyone want to take a crack at grading them, left to right? Jose Cruz was a very underrated player in his day and always seemed to hit well vs the Mets.

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  • maddux69maddux69 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭✭✭
    8,9, 9OC
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  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
    9 - 10 - 7? The left and middle are very nice and I have seen worse looking 10's out there if those two you own aren't 10's..nice cards Tim.
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  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭
    I suck at grading, but I'll guess left to right 10, 8, 7.

    Jose Cruz was one of my favorite Astros back in the day. My dad would take me to an Astros game every now and then along with more Rangers games. Cruz was my 2nd favorite Astro behind Terry Puhl. JR Richard was my favorite Astros hurler. Good times.

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  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    I'll just guess from highest grade to lowest.

    Middle
    Left
    Right
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  • MrNearMintMrNearMint Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭
    Left to right...
    10, 9, 8
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    1st card = 9

    2nd card = 10

    3rd card = 8.5 OC
  • tsalems1tsalems1 Posts: 3,449 ✭✭✭✭
    The 1st 2 have the same cut. They most likely came from the same box/case.
    I will say 9,9,8
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  • DrFongDrFong Posts: 326
    9, 5, 9OC
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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    9,8,7 L to R
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  • JBrulesJBrules Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Left to right" 9, 10, 9 (oc)
  • baz518baz518 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭✭
    9, 8.5, 7
  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Seems like a lot of people are missing the 'all three of which are different grades' comment. If I were the submitter, those would come back 8, 7, 6, though I hope the slabs say better.
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  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    dup
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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Note that Tim said the cards all have different grades.
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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
    Why does every thread have the same 3 or 4 responses from the same person? Once is enough I get it lol. I'm sure it's a problem with the site, but phewwwwww.


    ETA that I'm not talking about any one person, it's happening to lots of people.
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  • DavidPuddyDavidPuddy Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭
    8/10/9
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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You try to post a reply, the site hangs up, the post doesn't appear in the thread. Rinse, repeat. Then five minutes later, they all show up.
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  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭



    << <i>You try to post a reply, the site hangs up, the post doesn't appear in the thread. Rinse, repeat. Then five minutes later, they all show up. >>



    Does this tend to happen with a smartphone, PC, Lap Top, IPad? Just curious. It hasn't happened to me YET.
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  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>You try to post a reply, the site hangs up, the post doesn't appear in the thread. Rinse, repeat. Then five minutes later, they all show up. >>



    Does this tend to happen with a smartphone, PC, Lap Top, IPad? Just curious. It hasn't happened to me YET. >>


    I only access via PC and it's a rare occurrence when it happens to me.
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  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭
    10,9,8


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  • MrNearMintMrNearMint Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭


    << <i> If I were the submitter, those would come back 8, 7, 6, though I hope the slabs say better. >>





    That's funny.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,738 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here are the grades. No one got the exact match but a few were very close!

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,738 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also, Tom was correct in that the first two came from the same (BBCE) box!

    I broke that box down a few years ago back when a 78 OPC box was less than $300!

    Got a few 10s and a healthy number of 9s~it was a beautiful box. I still have one more from that same case but they are too costly to rip now, LOL!

    I pulled a dead centered mint Murray RC from that box also but it is a shade too narrow and has minsizereq'd the couple times I sent it in..


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  • MinorLeaguerMinorLeaguer Posts: 511 ✭✭✭
    One card for each of his 3 sons all of his namesake? image
  • miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those first two are great looking cards, congrats!

    But am I alone in thinking the one on the right was really lucky to get a generous grade of an 8 considering the tilt?
  • dennis07dennis07 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭
    "But am I alone in thinking the one on the right was really lucky to get a generous grade of an 8 considering the tilt?"

    From reading past posts it seems the tilt does not affect the grade as long as the centering meets the standard. As for the one on the right it must come in just
    within the 8 standard.

    Edited to add: my guess was a 7 on the one on the right simply because I have a few 1970 Topps baseball PSA 7's that look similar.
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  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭




    << <i>Those first two are great looking cards, congrats!

    But am I alone in thinking the one on the right was really lucky to get a generous grade of an 8 considering the tilt? >>




    No, you aren't alone, and I'm not trying to downplay Tim's cards, but I never would have thought that was an 8. I was curious of when it was graded as I've heard in the past from different members that at one time, PSA grading was less stringent. It's tilted and almost miscut on the bottom left border, but I love OPC and I think it gives the card charactor image PSA 8 though? A little generous, but I've seen worse.
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  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭



    << <i>Edited to add: my guess was a 7 on the one on the right simply because I have a few 1970 Topps baseball PSA 7's that look similar. >>



    This was my guess as well for the same reason, only I'm collecting 1980 right now.

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,738 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say that the 8 is not high end for the grade but it is definitely within the parameters for the grade. As dennis said, PSA does not downgrade for tilt though that is what many collectors focus on when viewing cards. These were all graded within last few years. The 8 also suffers visually by comparison from being positoned next to the 10, lol.


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  • stormtrooper80stormtrooper80 Posts: 317
    For the love of all things holy, that 8 is hideous.

    Cheo Cruz was an underrated hitter! That is all





  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,738 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Next up: a 1980 Topps Johnny Bench triptych! image


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  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭



    << <i>Next up: a 1980 Topps Johnny Bench triptych! >>




    Alright, now we're doing something! Lol.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,738 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I knew that one would capture your fancy, Jimmy, LOL!

    OK, three Johnny Benches, all three different grades. List grade guesses, left to right..

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  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 8,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>OK, three Johnny Benches, all three different grades. List grade guesses, left to right.. >>


    9,7,10 (center should not have been graded, too short)
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,738 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>OK, three Johnny Benches, all three different grades. List grade guesses, left to right.. >>


    9,7,10 (center should not have been graded, too short) >>



    I wish they'd graded instead of N6'd my dead centered 78 OPC Murray from the pack instead of the Bench, LOL!


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  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭



    << <i>I knew that one would capture your fancy, Jimmy, LOL!

    OK, three Johnny Benches, all three different grades. List grade guesses, left to right.. >>



    Absolutely! Nice cards, I have to think on this one a little bit. If I were to sub these, what would they be? As was stated, the middle looks minsizereq, but it's in a slab so.
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  • baz518baz518 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭✭
    8.5, 8 (min size), 10
  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
    8 - 9 - 10

    The left is off center right left to right with bottom edge chipping. Suprised if it's a 9.

    The middle although short, is otherwise nice except for top to bottom centering.

    The right is off center a tad left to right, but otherwise Gem unless I'm missing something. If that was offered as a 10 on Feebay, I'd buy it without hesitation. Nice cards.
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  • dennis07dennis07 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭
    8, 8.5, 9

    Edited to add: No fair. PSA catches all of my minsizimage
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  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭
    9, 8, 10 on the bench.


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  • JBrulesJBrules Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭✭✭
    8.5, 9 and 10.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,738 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>9, 8, 10 on the bench. >>



    David, you nailed it!

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  • RaulsmasterRaulsmaster Posts: 663 ✭✭
    three different shades too
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,738 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's interesting you raise that point, raulmaster~for me, the registration and color on the 10 look much better than on either of the other two~registration and surfaces are often discounted in favor of the more apparent centering and corners/edges, but in my experience, that is usually the difference between a 9 and a 10, or a card that looks like a 10 at first blush, and then grades a point or two lower.


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