Another Coin from the 7070 - 20 Center - What are your thoughts on grade?

Walkerguy21D · January 17, 2015 1:30AM

Acquired in the late 1980's at a small Sunday coin show, and photographed by Todd at FUN.

While searching for a 20 center, I decided to look for the 1875P. It's mintage was far lower than the 75S, and yet priced about the same
back then. This coin was marked at VF, which by grading standards back then was probably correct. It has somewhat mirrored PL fields (which
I've since noticed a number of '75P's display). At the time, it had just a trace of pink and gold one near the rims, and I had to stretch to pay
the whopping price of $120 for it. It has darkened considerably in the album over the years - maybe too dark? The luster has definitely
become more muted, though there is more on the obverse than the photo shows.

Ajjohnson77 · January 17, 2015 2:19AM

Looks awful nice for the 7070. I just upgraded to one that looks a bit like yours. Nice coin and toning.

Walkerfan · January 17, 2015 2:32AM

It has a real nice look to it.

sparky64 · January 17, 2015 2:37AM

I like the look.......a lot.

In my unprofessional opinion I grade it XF40 based on the pic and the luster you describe.

I'll bet it would sit and behave for an awesome Trueview.

Also, probably good to free it from the 7070 and get it in an airtite or slab to stop it from darkening.

lasvegasteddy · January 17, 2015 2:39AM

what a creme puff there
thanks for sharing it's beauty which is not be under rated by any numerical grade that would be assigned
eye appeal off the charts

so i had to look at photo-grade to drop a vf35 but i could see it as xf40

myself i only had one example decades ago in my 1876-p in au
a coin i will acquire another example of for sure with hopes of something like you present here

Kaline6 · January 17, 2015 3:20AM

Beautiful coin. I'm in the 35 camp but this coin will outlast any number it's given, love it.

ad4400 · January 17, 2015 3:24AM

I looked long and hard to find a truly eye appealing 20 cent piece for my 7070 and never came close to this. I 'settled' for a darker and original looking piece, which turned out to be work enough. I think your piece is exceptional. Congrats!

USMarine6 · January 17, 2015 5:50AM

The look is great and by todays standards I think would grade XF. The word Liberty being in relief and not incused is normally a little worn on most vf examples and yours has almost none. This is my 75cc to compare. Graded VF30

TopographicOceans · January 17, 2015 6:19AM

I grade it Pretty

Bochiman · January 17, 2015 9:20AM

I like it! And would be tempted to let you double your money by selling it to me for our 7070

amwldcoin · January 17, 2015 10:04AM

I am surprised at the grade opinions! That coin is an AU 53-55 all day long!

Edit to add on a bad day it might 45 due to the darker toning.

cucamongacoin · January 17, 2015 10:09AM

I agree, an AU fur sure!

mirabela · January 17, 2015 10:58AM

I'd say XF45 accounting for the worn breast feathers but worth AU money anyway -- you just don't see many this pretty.

291fifth · January 17, 2015 11:13AM

AU50 by current standards ... but I'm not crazy about the toning.

SeattleSlammer · January 17, 2015 11:34AM

<< <i>It has a real nice look to it.

>>

+1

Dan769 · January 17, 2015 11:59AM

Dan769 · January 17, 2015 12:02PM

I'd say AU 55 and that coin looks great!

Raybo · January 17, 2015 12:50PM

50-53 IMHO

Want to double your money Greg?
I'll give you $240 for her.

TommyType · January 17, 2015 3:00PM

My first impression was 50....which means that's the least likely grade of all.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · January 17, 2015 3:02PM

looks AU55 now. If that was a VF back in the day, I don't know how they filled out the rest of the circ grades.

-Will

coinsarefun · January 17, 2015 3:03PM

I like it very much

Meltdown · January 17, 2015 3:24PM

Looks AU53 to me. Beautiful color... I bet it looks great in the album!

rec78 · January 17, 2015 6:24PM

It was way undergraded even back when. I grade it AU53 or maybe even 55. Anyone who has a 20 cent piece with a full stuck liberty like that for sale as a vf please sell it to me now! Remember that, unlike other seated liberty coins the word "liberty" is raised and wore down quickly.

astrorat · January 17, 2015 10:17PM

Nice coin ... and that was undergraded "back in the day." Even then, it had enough detail for an EF. Recall that so many people graded circulated double dime on the letters in LIBERTY back then. Many coins were undergraded.

I would grade the coin AU-50, maybe AU-53, based on the images.

It's the more common of the two die marriages for 1875-P (here).

And it's not too dark at all!

TennesseeDave · January 17, 2015 11:14PM

I think it's beautiful and I would agree with an AU grade.

ajaan · January 17, 2015 11:16PM

AU

astrorat · January 17, 2015 11:19PM

<< <i>It was way undergraded even back when. I grade it AU53 or maybe even 55. Anyone who has a 20 cent piece with a full stuck liberty like that for sale as a vf please sell it to me now! Remember that, unlike other seated liberty coins the word "liberty" is raised and wore down quickly. >>

And often the coins were weakly struck (especially 1875-CC) where an AU coin may not even have a "full" LIBERTY.

topstuf · January 17, 2015 11:30PM

VF 35? WTF? I'll buy as many 35's that look like that as the postal service can deliver.
Might even go nuts and pay XF price. Sheeze! 35 indeed!

Walkerguy21D · January 18, 2015 12:05AM

Thanks for all the comments, everyone.
I was thinking lock XF, shot 45. All the AU estimates makes me quite pleased!

410a · January 18, 2015 12:12AM

That coin is a "LOCK" at AU-58 PCGS. My man that is one nice coin. Sell it to me. Don't drive yourself crazy with anxiety over the grade. Rid yourself of it while you are still young......Sell it to me.

Seriously, Mike

roadrunner · January 18, 2015 12:31AM

<< <i>Nice coin ... and that was undergraded "back in the day." Even then, it had enough detail for an EF. Recall that so many people graded circulated double dime on the letters in LIBERTY back then. Many coins were undergraded.

I would grade the coin AU-50, maybe AU-53, based on the images.

It's the more common of the two die marriages for 1875-P (here).

And it's not too dark at all!

>>

For sure. XF even back in the 1970's. XF45 is the lowest grade I could see it getting. AUish is quite possible if there's >10-15% luster remaining...even if muted. It has enough detail for AU. I like the toning. It's definitely not too dark. You grade a coin like this based on the strongest details (wing feathers and lower half of Miss Liberty) plus the luster. If we graded original bags of "O" mint Morgan dollars on strike alone nearly all of them would be AU's.

renomedphys · January 18, 2015 2:42AM

I grade it about $400

TwoSides2aCoin · January 18, 2015 2:55AM

AU 62+ …
and that's on eye appeal alone.

astrorat · January 18, 2015 3:02AM

<< <i>I grade it about $400 >>

Awesome! ... I'll buy ones like this all day long for $400 each! How many do you have to sell?

topstuf · January 18, 2015 6:38AM

$410

Another Coin from the 7070 - 20 Center - What are your thoughts on grade?

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