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Why coin dealers drink---Part CCCCXXVIII

CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Inevitable whenever there is a sudden jump in metals:

"1st call of the day: I have 10 rolls of silver eagles locked in with you at (cheap price) and want to know if I can pick them up today?

Me( after checking) Are you sure you have them locked in? I can find no
record.

Caller: Well, maybe not locked in, but I did talk with you about buying
silver last week...."
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.

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  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    image


    The bullion dealers have a stronger stomach than me.
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    You'll have to call him back to get your money after silver drops below his locked in price.
  • OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well Gee Captain, I drove past your store last week when it was 15 something, does that meen I can pick em up for that price image


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  • SmallTownCoinsSmallTownCoins Posts: 688 ✭✭
    The most repeated phrase in this business seems to be
    "but yesterday you said....) Haaaa
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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now's the time that I meant when that time we talked about the time I would come in. image
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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And he'll probably stop at the gas station on the way, and ask to return the tankful he pumped last week at $2.12/gal, here's my receipt.....

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  • JustlookingJustlooking Posts: 2,895 ✭
    Wonder what would happen if everybody just rounded up, or down, to the nearest dollar?
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,638 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well Gee Captain, I drove past your store last week when it was 15 something, does that meen I can pick em up for that price image


    imageimageimage

    Steve >>



    Ain't my store no mo' I am retired to Colorado!
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  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭
    A friend of mine, whenever gasoline drops notably in price (and/or if he finds
    a gas station that's a few pennies cheaper than another), will say, "I ought to
    fill my tank up, and fill up a few drums to store in my garage."

    After hearing this a few times, I told him, "You seem very commodity
    driven in terms of investing strategy. You should buy gold and silver and hold
    onto it, dollar-cost-averaging your investment."

    He would have nothing of it.


  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭
    (And yet the drums of gasoline in the garage seems like a good investment?)



  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Have to put you on hold just got a email for 2015 eagles.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,732 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>(And yet the drums of gasoline in the garage seems like a good investment?) >>



    Only if your house is greatly over-insured.image

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>(And yet the drums of gasoline in the garage seems like a good investment?) >>

    You know the old saying - You can never have too big of a bomb stored at your house
  • TomthecoinguyTomthecoinguy Posts: 849 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>(And yet the drums of gasoline in the garage seems like a good investment?) >>



    Only if your house is greatly over-insured.image >>



    And your coins are at a secure off-site location. image

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  • WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭
    At least they didn't buy those silver eagles then when silver dropped two weeks later call you and ask for a rebate. I've actually had that happen before.
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  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just had a similar thing happen with a couple of one ounce gold coins... quoted a price Tuesday and wants me to honor it today with spot up another $30 plus. image

    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just had a similar thing happen with a couple of one ounce gold coins... quoted a price Tuesday and wants me to honor it today with spot up another $30 plus. image >>



    No problemo - just tell the customer that you saved them at Tuesday's price, plus a $30 per coin storage fee if they're paid for today. image

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,732 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Just had a similar thing happen with a couple of one ounce gold coins... quoted a price Tuesday and wants me to honor it today with spot up another $30 plus. image >>



    No problemo - just tell the customer that you saved them at Tuesday's price, plus a $30 per coin storage fee if they're paid for today. image >>



    Or, just say that you sold them all but you just got in a new supply but you had to pay more to get them.image

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For these people, a statement at time of discussion is necessary - "The price now is $XXXX.xx, subject to change by the time you get here." Cheers, RickO
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,732 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>For these people, a statement at time of discussion is necessary - "The price now is $XXXX.xx, subject to change by the time you get here." Cheers, RickO >>



    Good point. Dealers shouldn't quote a specific price without stating that it's subject to change depending on market conditions. This is obvious to the bullion stackers here but it may not be obvious to many in the general public.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    so, that is why they drink.

    I don't blame them


    BUT!

    How about trying to buy at a show and the price has dropped.


    Dealer, but I bought it at $X

    Collector: Yeah, but today the price is less.

    Dealer: But, I can't take a loss

    Collector: But I can?


    The above conversation has been repeated more than once
    It does appear that the losses are only supposed to be one sided
    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,732 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>so, that is why they drink.

    I don't blame them


    BUT!

    How about trying to buy at a show and the price has dropped.


    Dealer, but I bought it at $X

    Collector: Yeah, but today the price is less.

    Dealer: But, I can't take a loss

    Collector: But I can?


    The above conversation has been repeated more than once
    It does appear that the losses are only supposed to be one sided >>



    Is this why coin collectors drink?imageimage


    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I was at the store and anybody asked for a price on a precious metals item and then asked how long that price was good for, I would say "Until you walk out the door."

    Now obviously we had some regulars who would come in and get a price and say "OK I'll take it" and then go to the bank next door and get some cash and that was a done deal.
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>so, that is why they drink.

    I don't blame them


    BUT!

    How about trying to buy at a show and the price has dropped.


    Dealer, but I bought it at $X

    Collector: Yeah, but today the price is less.

    Dealer: But, I can't take a loss

    Collector: But I can?


    The above conversation has been repeated more than once
    It does appear that the losses are only supposed to be one sided >>



    "Collector" can't take a loss or make a profit unless he/she actually sells the item- so the little scenario above is invalid. You don't lose or make money by the act of purchasing something.

    Tell me... if the seller (be it a dealer OR collector) who either needs or desires to make a profit on something they own can't make any money selling something at a certain price, then why should he be obligated to sell it cheaper just because the market dropped?

    If the answer is "to get my business"...why does he need or want the business of someone who won't allow him to make a profit?

    If the answer is "because I can buy it cheaper elsewhere"...

    a) how does that change the fact that this seller still needs to get $x to make a profit... and
    b) why don't you simply buy it from the cheaper source rather than insisting that this seller bend to your wishes?

    Now I've certainly lost money on items I've sold...all dealers have at one time or another...but I've never sold at a loss to simply get a sale from someone who thought they had it coming.


    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


    << <i>When I was at the store and anybody asked for a price on a precious metals item and then asked how long that price was good for, I would say "Until you walk out the door."

    Now obviously we had some regulars who would come in and get a price and say "OK I'll take it" and then go to the bank next door and get some cash and that was a done deal. >>





    image

    Always good to extend some trust to the regular customers.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,732 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>When I was at the store and anybody asked for a price on a precious metals item and then asked how long that price was good for, I would say "Until you walk out the door."

    Now obviously we had some regulars who would come in and get a price and say "OK I'll take it" and then go to the bank next door and get some cash and that was a done deal. >>





    image

    Always good to extend some trust to the regular customers. >>



    .........or, to a new customer who leaves a deposit to hold the coin or bullion while he gets the money to pay the balance due.


    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,638 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>When I was at the store and anybody asked for a price on a precious metals item and then asked how long that price was good for, I would say "Until you walk out the door."

    Now obviously we had some regulars who would come in and get a price and say "OK I'll take it" and then go to the bank next door and get some cash and that was a done deal. >>





    image

    Always good to extend some trust to the regular customers. >>



    .........or, to a new customer who leaves a deposit to hold the coin or bullion while he gets the money to pay the balance due. >>



    That is a given. A deposit makes it a done deal.
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.

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