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STARSCOIN....Block this guy and save yourself some grief. Update in opening post.

MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
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I had started a recent thread regarding a number of recent returns. This fellow bought an 1889-CC Morgan from me and after 10 days he said that it did not fit in his set. He originally filed a SNAD looking for me to cover shipping both ways.

A bit of research shows that he listed and sold the coin for significantly less than he had paid me. WTH.

I don't mind taking the coin back but the BS is uncalled for.

My Listing.

His listing.

Update: I spoke with the buyer this afternoon and exchanged a handful of emails as well. No hard feelings either way and he has agreed to keep the coin. Hopefully his interception of the package is successful.

Edit to add. Intercept failed (if ever attempted). I received the coin back and will issue a full refund. Don't need the hassle of Paypal chargebacks. Good riddance.
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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,191 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>...

    I don't mind taken the coin back but the BS is uncalled for.] >>



    I certainly would mind - That is outrageous.
    Lurking and learning since 2010. Full-time professional numismatist based in SoCal.
  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>...

    I don't mind taken the coin back but the BS is uncalled for.] >>



    I certainly would mind - That is outrageous. >>



    Correct....on second thought I may refuse. Have Ebay on the phone right now.
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unethical... and BUSTED.
  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭✭
    Im going to ask a stupid question, he can't really return that, can he?
    Derek

    EAC 6024
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amazingly lame.


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  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, I thought I had seen, heard and read every nasty ebay story in the book on these forums! This one wins them all.

    Good luck, I'm blocking him now.

    Click on this link to see my ebay listings.

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,919 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks and gladly blocked.

    bob
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
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  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the heads-up !!! image
    Timbuk3
  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Im going to ask a stupid question, he can't really return that, can he? >>




    According to Ebay, probably not.

    According to Paypal probably so.

    I need to think on this for a bit and all opinions are welcome.
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    Even eBay would not process this as a SNAD.

    But you have Returns: 14 days money back, buyer pays return shipping

    So just have him return the coin at his expense and give him his money back and block him. Not much else you can do.

    People go to Home Depot, buy a top of the line chainsaw, use it to cut down their tree, and then return it to the store. It's cheaper than renting it.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Even eBay would not process this as a SNAD.

    But you have Returns: 14 days money back, buyer pays return shipping

    So just have him return the coin at his expense and give him his money back and block him. Not much else you can do.

    People go to Home Depot, buy a top of the line chainsaw, use it to cut down their tree, and then return it to the store. It's cheaper than renting it. >>




    Yep. If I had that in my auction, and he was within the timeline when he requested the return, I would take it, but have him pay shipping.
    Ebay has the auction, under his account, that clearly shows it is the same coin (same cert #, etc), so I think they would not process the SNAD, as mentioned above.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    Good advice TO and Bochiman. Sounds like the right thing to do.
  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,861 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Blocked.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Must be a disgruntled Cowboy fan.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a very lame move on the part of the buyer, though. No class.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>Must be a disgruntled Cowboy fan. >>

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  • JustlookingJustlooking Posts: 2,895 ✭
    I wonder what he told the guy who won his auction?

    Shocking gall.
    Let's try not to get upset.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I wonder what he told the guy who won his auction?

    Shocking gall. >>



    Unless it was his own shilling that won it, if he does that, which I don't know and am only speculating on based on his actions so far being less than scrupulous, then he probably said something akin to "ummm...sorry.....I can't seem to find the coin. Let's mutually cancel the transaction. Ok dude?"

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I wonder what he told the guy who won his auction? >>



    That's my question too!
    Ed
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I wonder what he told the guy who won his auction?

    Shocking gall. >>



    Unless it was his own shilling that won it, if he does that, which I don't know and am only speculating on based on his actions so far being less than scrupulous, then he probably said something akin to "ummm...sorry.....I can't seem to find the coin. Let's mutually cancel the transaction. Ok dude?" >>

    Well...................if he doesn't receive a neutral or neg from whomever purchased the coin then he probably shilled it.

    IF, a buddy bought bid on the coin and they agree to cancel the transaction, eBay "might" be able to respond.

    BUT, as it sits right now, he technically doesn't own the coin and if he sent a "Sorry dude, can't find it" message, then eBay would have a record of that as well.

    Definitely someone I would not want to buy my coins although, the name "looks" familiar.
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  • thisnamztakenthisnamztaken Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Blocked. Thanks.
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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Busted and BLOCKED
  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks, blocked.
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  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thank you. Blocked. What a jerk! The nerve of that guy is unreal!

    mbogoman

    Asesabi Lutho

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Too bad you didn't win the auction at the lower price.
    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • CasmanCasman Posts: 3,935 ✭✭
    Blocked
  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,729 ✭✭✭
    This seems to happen to lot of classic coin sales, not so much with modern-ultra modern coin sales. He is blocked, but doubt I would be dealing with him on ebay since most of my sales are ultramodern. But you never know.
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  • WhiteTornadoWhiteTornado Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭
    That's pretty awful! Thanks for pointing it out.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow what a slime ball image
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  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is exactly why i do not offer returns. I had 2 instances where this happened and said NO MORE.

    may the fonz be with you...always...
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Restocking fees after 2 weeks should be the norm. Might make this kind of practice go away fast.
    Blocked.
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  • vibr0nicvibr0nic Posts: 614 ✭✭✭
    You absolutely do not have to accept the return if he listed the coin for sale on eBay.

    Dispute this with eBay and Paypal with those links as evidence, and you will be in the clear.

    Please, for the greater good, do not let this guy get away with this.
    I like large size currency and silver dollars.
  • lavalava Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭
    I wish you had been the high bidder in his auction.
    I brake for ear bars.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,128 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks and gladly blocked.

    bob >>

    ditto and glad of it.
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
    By what contorted reasoning would this encapsulated coin qualify as a SNAD?

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • jdillanejdillane Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭
    What gall. eBay should ban the chump altogether. It'd be nice to see them police their site with a purging of the ne'er do wells.
  • bigjpstbigjpst Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>By what contorted reasoning would this encapsulated coin qualify as a SNAD? >>


    Just had one returned snad in an ngc holder. Buyer said coin did not appear to fit the grade and holder appeared tampered. Bs. Holder is fine he just wanted to see it and didn't want to pay return shipping after I told him no problem on the return.
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  • pufferpuffer Posts: 535
    Not my problem or my customer so I won't block based on one report. Plus the guy may be making unwise purchase decisions for whatever reasons and I hope he is learning some lessons, sees this thread and is more cautious in the future.

    No reserve auctions are losers in my experience with very few exceptions. And with all the shilling going on in what appear to be honest auctions, how do others compete with "auction theater"?
  • fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,902 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's not his coin to return anymore now is it. I'd tell him I found his listing and he should honor his 1/11 sale and ship it (to himself or buddy). Wouldn't his reselling nullify a return to you?

    Blocked.
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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    He used your images also. image
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    blocked, thanks.

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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>He used your images also. image >>



    Any way to tell if he's done this in the past? (I'm not familiar with what searches are possible on eBay).

    Low overhead, no chance of loss. Great business model! (Assuming you have no ethics).
    Easily distracted Type Collector
  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


    << <i>He used your images also. image >>




    Jeez....didn't even catch that.




    """"It's not his coin to return anymore now is it. I'd tell him I found his listing and he should honor his 1/11 sale and ship it (to himself or buddy). Wouldn't his reselling nullify a return to you?""""

    Was thinking about that as well. If the auction winner paid for the coin, who holds title to it?



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  • Duke9163Duke9163 Posts: 30
    Ebay rules are if the buyer tries to sell the coin, he can not return the coin. I have been through that before, and I won the case.
  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Theoretical conversation

    (Seller) "Well, let me see. Even though the auction closed, I need to cancel it". (Buyer) "Why"? (Seller) "um,,,,,,,,,,well..............um,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well you see the coin hasn't arrived yet because I just bought it". (Buyer) "So, ship it to me after it arrives". (Seller) "Well, I'd rather cancel anyway because you got it for less than I paid for it".

    This guy probably sells used cars.
    If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There was no mention of the guys first BIN attempt
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1889-CC-MORGAN-DOLLAR-NGC-Fine-/191466527815?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item2c944b5c47&nma=true&si=Bx5QjVKBLmaAJEQ55RVFWYVZdoo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557


    The auction posted was shilled, so he did not send anyware. eBay doen't even care if they pay the fees - start getting pissy if you frequently cancel your shilled wins.

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