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How do you place a value on your collection?

About 13-14 years ago I started putting my coin purchases into an excel spreadsheet listing things like the coin, date, MM, grade, purchase price, date purchased, and from whom an item was purchased. I created this type of spreadsheet for each series I collected. So, based on these spreadsheets I get a rough estimate of my collection's "value". With the current downward pressures on coin prices I believe my estimated value is becoming more overstated. For the sake of discussion let's assume I paid close to market at the time I made my purchases.

So, how do the rest of you estimate you collections worth?
What we've got here is failure to communicate.....

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,236 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you have all of your PCGS graded coins in their my inventory listing, just use the price guide value calculated for you at the top of the page.
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  • Bankerbob56Bankerbob56 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If you have all of your PCGS graded coins in their my inventory listing, just use the price guide value calculated for you at the top of the page. >>



    This works if you collect only TPG coins. I have a few Danscos, loose coins, a few mint and proof sets.....
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,236 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>If you have all of your PCGS graded coins in their my inventory listing, just use the price guide value calculated for you at the top of the page. >>



    This works if you collect only TPG coins. I have a few Danscos, loose coins, a few mint and proof sets..... >>



    Greysheet for those? eBay sales prices?
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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,628 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I walk around FUN, look at what similar coins to mine are priced at by the big EAC and other retail dealers, and determine that I'm rich! image

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  • stevepkstevepk Posts: 238 ✭✭✭
    There are three ways to value your collection:

    Immediate liquidation
    Short Term liquidation
    Long Term liquidation

    Immediate liquidation
    Most pawn shops will only pay 40% of melt for any coin regardless of numismatic value. This means a prized 1796 quarter in a problem-free PCGS holder is worth no more than about two dollars. This method should only be considered if you leave your collection to heirs who are in immediate financial desperation, have not done any research, and aren't very bright. As a collector, it is your responsibility to see to it your coins are never liquidated in this manner.

    Short term liquidation
    Many buyers are slaves to the Greysheet and will pay 80% of listed values. Other buyers with a greater appreciation of numismatics will recognize eye appeal and the fact Greysheet is often flawed and will pay accordingly. Finding these buyers may require patience.

    Long Term liquidation
    Refer to Stacks/Bowers and Heritage auction achieves, being careful to compare 'apples to apples'. This not only a comparison of grades, but also the unique eye appeal of each coin. Filter out any abnormal highs and lows and gather a consensus based on as many comparable examples as possible within the past year or two. Many speculative buyers will argue you need to deduct 17.5% for the buyer's premium Heritage charges, but I disagree. If a coin sold for a thousand dollars including the buyer's premium, it means someone, somewhere spent one thousand dollar to obtain a coin similar to yours. Realizing these values for your coins can be done, but it requires patience. A local coin club or the PCGS BST forum are great avenues.
  • stevepkstevepk Posts: 238 ✭✭✭
    For raw coins, attend a coin show and ask how much a dealer wants for a coin comparable to yours. You can also refer to Ebay achieves for coins similar to yours that sold. Pay attention only to the green entries indicating actual sales.
  • winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    PCGS +. I haven't figured out how much over but it is over what they say. I don't think you can buy for what their values state on most coins. If I could I would have 77% less in my collection !!!
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've always valued my coins at what I could get for them if I walked the floor of a major coin show like FUN, summer ANA, Long Beach, or Baltimore and had to liquidate them. And if you regularly attend larger shows this is not that hard to do. You can use the various price guides to help ball park things. In a rising market like 2004-2008 where liquidity was high, things were pretty easy. In the weaker market of 2009-2015 the lack of liquidity now plays a much bigger role in selling regardless of what price guides or auction results might suggest.
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If you have all of your PCGS graded coins in their my inventory listing, just use the price guide value calculated for you at the top of the page. >>



    And then multiply that value by 0.6 to 0.7 for most typical US coins. For early 19th century stuff and better date bust, seated and gold, the number might be closer to 80-100%. Sometimes even over 100%.

    For moderns or very common and generic coins that number could be 0.4 to 0.5. But during the 2004-2008 I found that 0.65 worked pretty well to find the general wholesale levels on most US type coins 1820-1930. If you have researched your own favorite series then you know what these ratio's run. If you're consistently paying 100% PCGS price guide for coins that aren't really hard to find and aren't screamers, odds are you are overpaying. A 0.65 ratio means that price guide is a 50% markup to typical wholesale levels.

    Many speculative buyers will argue you need to deduct 17.5% for the buyer's premium Heritage charges, but I disagree. If a coin sold for a thousand dollars including the buyer's premium, it means someone, somewhere spent one thousand dollar to obtain a coin similar to yours

    Rather than "speculative" buyers I would just call them uninformed buyers. I polled the auto blogs in the past and fairly large % of that hobby (30-50%?) really believes that buyer's fees come out of the buyer's pocket. Why? Because it shows up on their invoice. What more "proof" could you ask for.... image
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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not saying this is the BEST way....and it doesn't take into account raw coins:

    But I input all of my slabbed coins into the Heritage "My Collection" service. Besides being an easy to use, remote, storage of my records, it spits out both a retail and Numismedia wholesale value for both individual coins, and the aggregate total.

    It's always tempting to use "retail value" to value a collection....but by using the wholesale value, I'm forced to be at least a little more realistic. (Not that I have any proof that Numismedia is anywhere close to realistic, either).

    Finally, I consider having the coins entered into the Heritage site a good thing in case I get hit by a bus. I let the wife know they are listed there, and in theory(?), Heritage has access to the list, and it would serve as a good way for a complete novice to start the liquidation process. I told her to just ship them off, and take what you can get. image
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just go by what I paid.

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  • DavideoDavideo Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭
    Purchase price * 50%

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  • << <i>I just go by what I paid. >>




    This!
  • PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭
    I go by what I paid as well. And I only track pieces of significant value and/or TPG'd. I don't sweat the small stuff.
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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For Canadian coins, it's quite easy.

    Based on current selling prices on Ebay, an accurate 'value' for one's Canadian collection is 50% of Canadian Trends.

    With all the different US coin catalogues out there, if only it was that simple.
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  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,319 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I value my collection on spreadsheet simply by what I paid.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,560 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I value my collection on spreadsheet simply by what I paid. >>


    This.
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    I track my collection value two ways:
      The price I paid plus upgrade expenses (i.e. PCGS fees) but I track S/H and taxes as expense per coinPCGS Price guide, then I have a multiplier I can set (usually 70%) to assign a guestimate to the value
    The true value probably lies somewhere in between.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,236 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I value my collection on spreadsheet simply by what I paid. >>


    This. >>



    The PCGS my inventory gives a price guide value and let's you keep track of what you paid; plus you can add pics and other notes too. No reason tho that one can't use both.image
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  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting to see Roadrunner's views. I have learned through time that is a nice 'rough' way to value most coins (albeit proof sets, loose Dansco stuff -- well, do the best you can).

    Take the PCGS Price Guide and x .65 and you really get a great idea of liquidity. MOST things, MOST of the time. Sure, you Barber BigHitters with esoteric 04-S halves in VF37.5 (CrustState III(c) medium gray camcirc) and Colonial collectors looking for diestate 6B (VII.2) mousecud (early, baby mouse), it won't work so well. But for the generic schock guy like me . . . it gives a good idea.

    Drunner
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,042 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Auction results.
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I never worry about it or even try....Cheers, RickO
  • metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't bother because it changes all the time. However I do know what I paid for it.image
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  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭
    All my holdered PCGS Lincoln cents I value at 75% of the PCGS (retail) price guide. This represents over 95% of all my collection's value. I have no other slabbed coins. I add another $2k to $3k for my non holdered Lincolns, all of which I consider as uncirculated. Steveimage
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>.....Take the PCGS Price Guide and x .65 and you really get a great idea of liquidity. MOST things, MOST of the time. Sure, you Barber BigHitters with esoteric 04-S halves in VF37.5 (CrustState III(c) medium gray camcirc) and Colonial collectors looking for diestate 6B (VII.2) mousecud (early, baby mouse), it won't work so well. But for the generic schlock guy like me . . . it gives a good idea. Drunner >>



    Drunner, that's probably the best (and funniest) summary I've ever heard of how to work the price guide. That should be copyrighted and placed as a footnote to all price guides. image



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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,850 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>... Colonial collectors looking for diestate 6B (VII.2) mousecud (early, baby mouse) >>



    Fascinating! Where might one acquire this mousecud (early, baby mouse) coin of which you speak?????

    LOL!
  • Bankerbob56Bankerbob56 Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I just go by what I paid. >>



    I used to think this was a fairly good indication. I would think my collection would be worth +/- 80 percent of what I paid, but with current prices it appears that I may need to adjust my estimate to +/-60 percent! That's why I pose the question. Just curious.
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.....

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