Do you return failed cherry picks?

jmcu12

I recently gambled on a coin and it paid off. The seller had not so great pics but I thought I saw something so I just pushed the button.

But i could just as easily had been wrong...So the question is, if you take a gamble and it does not pay off do you use the return privilege or do you just chalk it up to being part of the game?

And do you think there is a moral obligation to keep it since you were cherry picking to begin with - what are your thoughts?

lasvegasteddy

i take my losses with my wins

i still do better then at local casinos

puffer

It depends on your business relationship with the dealer, in which case communication is vital as misunderstandings are not worth dragging on in a hobby business as it hurts the hobby.

If a coin comes back "whizzed" I believe the seller of the raw coin bears responsibility for failing to acknowledge the major defect; not so much with cleaning.

jmcu12

I forgot to mention that this was an eBay purchase; but in the end I think the question remains. Though, yes, if you have an established relationship with the seller that could complicate matters.

lcoopie

I think it's bad form unless the ad was deceptive

ricko

I keep them.....a gamble is just that....Cheers, RickO

Sonorandesertrat

<< <i>I think it's bad form unless the ad was deceptive >>

CoinZip

<< <i>I recently gambled on a coin and it paid off. The seller had not so great pics but I thought I saw something so I just pushed the button.

But i could just as easily had been wrong...So the question is, if you take a gamble and it does not pay off do you use the return privilege or do you just chalk it up to being part of the game?

And do you think there is a moral obligation to keep it since you were cherry picking to begin with - what are your thoughts? >>



When you gamble at a casino, do you expect the house to cover your losses?

Moldnut

Im guessing there are many that are not so squeaky clean, even here.

keyman64

Most of the time I have kept them and then just sold them as is at the next show etc...normally for about what I paid. I did return a coin once because the photos were not great hiding the flaws and the coin looked too banged up.

DoubleEagle59

Never.

crypto79

I don't think I have ever returned a cherry pick on a variety as I am always 99% sure when I buy it of what I think it is or I don't buy it. That said I have returned condition "cherry Picks" when I am guessing they are pretty nice and they come and they are not nice at all. If the seller had a more forth right listing I wouldn't have been put in the potion to guesstimate the grade and by definition it isn't as described by what ever it was that made me think it was nicer then it really was. No guilt at all from my perspective.

I don't buy the premises that buying at a quasi-retail establishment like E-bay should ever be considered a gamble. That to me is like buying a shirt you think will fit without trying it on at Macys only to find out when you get home that it is cut funny, that too would be going straight back. With Ebay uou are buying at an established venue with protections in place and when moonlighters sell there they are accepting those buyers protections as the cost of the exposure. It's all part of the deal and if junk shows up at my door it is junk that will be sent right back no exceptions and if I was taking a flyer on something that was ambiguously presented it doesn't change anything other then the need for the seller to display their wears better. That said, I dislike the hassle and have returned maybe a dozen things in a dozen years.

I find it funny that wag cherry picking is frowned upon but the number of people that are all about only accepting 70s from the mint and return countless widgets based on their likeliness of making a profit is at an all time high.

jmcu12

Coinzip - nope I don't. Just a hypothetical. Anytime that I try to pick an auction or in a store I take my lumps if it does not pan out.

In those cases I don't spend any money that I would not mind losing if it turns out to be a dud.

khayse

I think it's bad form unless the ad was deceptive



-KHayse

TwoSides2aCoin

My bumps and bruises are earned and like electricity, I follow the path of least resistance when the it comes to the numbers. It's easiest staying grounded. They (attempted picks) just have to be fair enough and the buck stops here. I'd rather eat the loss than create any atmosphere of contention, just for having to WIN at the game. That's just silly for my thinking and part of the perils of the waters we swim, wade, dabble, or float in around the hobby. That's THE ONLY DEAL and if we feel like we're losing, we probably are. But if you feel like you're swimming or floating, hop in the pool with lasvegasteddy and me.

He said it more succinctly and with fewer words.

Edited a few times for grammatical and spelling errors, or punctuation…

BustHalfBrian

<< <i>I think it's bad form unless the ad was deceptive >>



Basically this

topstuf

I wish I'd had you guys as customers.

"It's for my dad and I want to see if he likes it."
"I have to ask the wife and that's important because if I don't "sell" it to her, she won't let me keep it."
"Damndest thing.... I.... HAVE this one and didn't realize. Let me see something else."
"Remember, I buy a lot from you, so I really don't want this one."

TopographicOceans

They just go into the sell box and make their way back to eBay, where they find a nice home where someone will love and care for them.

winky

Keep them and live with it.

telephoto1

One of my fave returns was in the store from a cherrypicker wannabe who bought an unopened box of ten 1970 mint sets from us just after I'd bought the deal they were in...and then after taking them home and opening them all, came back wanting to return them because he "expected at least one or two small date cents in the lot". I glanced through the sets, asked him if he was sure he wanted to return them.. he said yes, I gave him his money back, thanked him for opening the box... and then pointed out that they were ALL small dates. Live by the pick, die by the pick. LMAO

Wolf359

Depends.

If I nail the variety but find their "BU" problem free coin is cleaned, then I evaluate value and do what's best for me. If it means I overpaid, then hell yes I return it.

If I miss on a variety and the seller is a professional with a return policy, then I return it because they know the game. Marketables on eBay got a negative from me once because he refused to honor the return, despite his policy. In the
end, he lost far more business from me than he gained by saving on one return.

If I miss on a variety and I judge it's an amateur who does not sell coins on a regular basis, then no, if I miss, I eat it.

Mostly I just make sure I don't miss

Rampage

You cannot return a used scratch-off ticket for a refund. If you gamble and you lose, then so it is. That is not the seller's problems. And, I despise people that try to take advantage.

Type2

Never a deal is a deal. If I lose it's your gain if I win it's mine, If you do a lot of them you learn real quick what is a pic and what is not. So most of the time I'll win.

oih82w8

Sell it to buy more.

Casman

"If I miss on a variety and the seller is a professional with a return policy, then I return it because they know the game."


What?

So it's OK to try to rob the guy wearing the suit, but if it turns out he's broke, then just take his $2 dollars for cab fare home.

johnny9434

i take my losses as well as my winnings. jmo

bjamin

I happen to like both Crypto's and Wolf's answers the best. And if push came to shove I would say Crytpo is most right on with his answer.

seanq

I eat them unless the item was grossly misrepresented in the auction listing. I've even eaten a couple of coins that were sold as clips but were actually damaged because I should have known better from the pictures.


Sean Reynolds

Broadstruck

I took a gamble last night on a group lot with a return option...

However even if the item I cherry'd turns out to be crap I can still make a couple times what I paid re-listing them separately with better pics and descriptions.

bolivarshagnasty

The ONLY reason I opened this thread was to see who was sorry enough
to do something like this. People never cease to amaze me.

jayPem

W/Crypto on this one. On eBay at least.
There is a dealer that sets up around here, he knows his stuff, from him I've pulled two winners and one loser.
These were quality pieces not varieties, raw. Would I even consider going back with the loser and haggling ? No way.

crypto79

<< <i>W/Crypto on this one. On eBay at least.
There is a dealer that sets up around here, he knows his stuff, from him I've pulled two winners and one loser.
These were quality pieces not varieties, raw. Would I even consider going back with the loser and haggling ? No way. >>



Agreed, I would never return something I held in hand first. I am talking about a picture based transactions.

Wolf359

<< <i>You cannot return a used scratch-off ticket for a refund. If you gamble and you lose, then so it is. That is not the seller's problems. And, I despise people that try to take advantage. >>



A deal is a deal sight seen but never when dealing with photos where the seller controls the angle and light, which can lead to a bad guess. I've also had "picks" where the seller "accidentally" used the wrong photo. Am I supposed to eat those coins? I don't think so.

Rampage

<< <i>

<< <i>You cannot return a used scratch-off ticket for a refund. If you gamble and you lose, then so it is. That is not the seller's problems. And, I despise people that try to take advantage. >>


A deal is a deal sight seen but never when dealing with photos where the seller controls the angle and light, which can lead to a bad guess. I've also had "picks" where the seller "accidentally" used the wrong photo. Am I supposed to eat those coins? I don't think so. >>


Jack, My comment is meant towards cherrypicking a rare variety, not something advertised as BU and you pick up and finding it is cleaned garbage. I agree, if you buy a coin as BU and based on images, and get it and it is cleaned, then yes, you should be able to return it. However, if you buy a coin advertised as BU and you buy it as a BU, but think it is a rare VAM, and then you get it and it is not the VAM, just a BU Coin, you should not be able to return it.

BAJJERFAN

<< <i>You cannot return a used scratch-off ticket for a refund. If you gamble and you lose, then so it is. That is not the seller's problems. And, I despise people that try to take advantage. >>



Of course you bought it knowing full well you couldn't return it unless it was misprinted.

crazyhounddog

If I can return a coin I don't like, I do no matter what the reason. I'm a picky buyer.

DollarAfterDollar

You're suppose to be able to return coins when the Seller failed to properly describe it in some fashion resulting in you getting something less that described. To return a coin that meets the Sellers description but fails to live up to your "hunch", that's weak. As a Seller (one who offers returns "no questions asked") I'd still be displeased if I caught on to what the return was about.

Really kinda unethical I'd say and certainly not appreciated.

Casman

I keep my duds and don't make any lame excuses.

Poor photos, bad lighting and angles are the only reason the pick is possible in the first place.

Good grief

AUandAG

<< <i>Never. >>





this

fcloud

Never, no how, no way. It isn't the seller's issue. If I am wrong it is on me. Period. End of story.

davewesen

So what would your reason be for returning?

"I thought I saw a rare variety worth $1000, but when I got it just a regular version only worth $20, so the $30 I paid is too much. Please take this back and pay return shipping as your pictures deceived me"

coin22lover

I would consider it to be a low class move to return a failed cherrypick.

Cougar1978

I am not a picker gambling on raw stuff and have no sympathy if they gamble and lose.

However if I did buy something in hopes of a pick and it was not that lucky treasure I would keep it. I think its really tacky to buy something hoping for a rip and then when it does not materialize return it. In the days when I would have a junk box,when I would detect someone is at my table looking thru stuff just to find a rip it would be adios for them.

thebeav

<< <i>I would consider it to be a low class move to return a failed cherrypick. >>



Absolutely !

TwoSides2aCoin

<< <i>

<< <i>I would consider it to be a "low class" move to return a failed cherry pick. >>



Absolutely ! >>


+1/ or
At the very least, "dastardly"… I would't go so far as to say Low Class

AMRC

<< <i>One of my fave returns was in the store from a cherrypicker wannabe who bought an unopened box of ten 1970 mint sets from us just after I'd bought the deal they were in...and then after taking them home and opening them all, came back wanting to return them because he "expected at least one or two small date cents in the lot". I glanced through the sets, asked him if he was sure he wanted to return them.. he said yes, I gave him his money back, thanked him for opening the box... and then pointed out that they were ALL small dates. Live by the pick, die by the pick. LMAO >>

Davideo

<< <i>If I miss on a variety and the seller is a professional with a return policy, then I return it because they know the game. >>



I'm going to have start working in the phrase "because they know the game" for times when I want to screw someone over.

Someone left their car unlocked and so I stole it because they know the game.

jayPem

1st rule of cherry picking club, don't talk about cherry picking club

lostincoins

<< <i>

<< <i>I think it's bad form unless the ad was deceptive >>



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Same here, my gamble, my loss or gain.

lostincoins

<< <i>So what would your reason be for returning?

"I thought I saw a rare variety worth $1000, but when I got it just a regular version only worth $20, so the $30 I paid is too much. Please take this back and pay return shipping as your pictures deceived me" >>



If you look at most replies that state they would return the coin it is only if misrepresented, as in stating MS when the coin is cleaned and thus only worth melt.

Treashunt

<< <i>i take my losses with my wins

i still do better then at local casinos >>




same here