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1898 Morgan Dollar - Grade Opinions (Back From PCGS - GTG)

KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
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This is a coin I've had for a while now.

It's extremely reflective in hand, and has a look similar to proof Morgans. (matte cameo devices, and reflective fields).

Edit: Back from PCGS, how do you think it graded?

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tuff one, the rim marks concern me and I'd be worried about a details grade from a jewelry bezel.
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,432 ✭✭✭
    could be a proof

    this isn't my series to know
    but it does
    looks proof to me

    pr62

    what's the background story on this...
    did you pay ms price?
    great price at ms level?
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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kind of looks like a slightly circulated proof to me. So I'll say 58.
  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I assume Kyle has VAM'ed this and it's not a proof... or he'd say otherwise? I hope, ha.

    63 DMPL? Tough to gauge these from pics. >>



    I did check VAMworld, and there is only one proof VAM for this year.

    1898 Proof VAM

    If anyone wants to see some close up pictures, for identification, just let me know and I can take some.



    << <i>what's the background story on this... >>


    Picked it up off eBay a while back.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is tougher than the 85-O. While this has deeper fields, there looks to be some light hairlining- especially on the left fields. PL60 possibly 61 if it grades

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,432 ✭✭✭
    did ya pick it up as ms or pr ?
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  • djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭
    PR62
  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>did ya pick it up as ms or pr ? >>


    MS. Described as "GEM BU DMPL"

    The seller sold mostly paintings and other odds and ends.
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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,192 ✭✭✭✭
    Not proof, IMO.

    Can we get pics of it tilted toward a light?
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  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not proof, IMO.

    Can we get pics of it tilted toward a light? >>


    Yeah, I'll have them posted tomorrow evening.
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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Kind of looks like a slightly circulated proof to me. So I'll say 58. >>



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  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭
    The devices and fields look proof, but I'm not sure about the rims.

    I'd vote PR58.
  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,902 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow . .

    This surely looks like a circ. proof to me . . . . . .

    Mmmmmmmm . . .PR58 ??????

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  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely not a PR Morgan but would pass for a good looking 63PL with nice cameo.

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  • RCDBRCDB Posts: 388
    It looks like a proof to me.
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am currently not seeing this as a proof solely based on seeing the image.

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  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,774 ✭✭✭✭✭
    im leaning proof
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  • YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 4,585 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a PL or DMPL, but is one nice coin that I would be proud to own!
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  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    I don't see the polishing line thru the eye.
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Definitely not a PR Morgan but would pass for a good looking 63PL with nice cameo.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice Morgan...not proof..... could go 62...Cheers, RickO
  • CMCARTCMCART Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭
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  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭
    As a guy whose grabbed several unattributed circ proofs over the years...that PCGS and ANACS agreed were proofs ...

    THIS IS NOT A PROOF...sorry.


    Rims are not there. Strike is not there (feet on the eagle are flat). ""Look"" is not there. No polishing evident under the letters of the date. Also, the period of 1896-98 was known as when the finest Morgan proofs were made of the series. These coins are outstanding in all ways. Fully struck, super deep cameos, etc.
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  • DaveWcoinsDaveWcoins Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭
    Not a proof IMO
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>As a guy whose grabbed several unattributed circ proofs over the years...that PCGS and ANACS agreed were proofs ...

    THIS IS NOT A PROOF...sorry.


    Rims are not there. Strike is not there (feet on the eagle are flat). ""Look"" is not there. No polishing evident under the letters of the date. Also, the period of 1896-98 was known as when the finest Morgan proofs were made of the series. These coins are outstanding in all ways. Fully struck, super deep cameos, etc. >>



    A friend of mine handled an ANACS MS66 UDM 1898 Morgan a few years back and it was incredible. The mirrors were >12" deep and not a single spec of frost in the fields. It had better mirrors than some proofs I had seen. Agree that the 1898's in both MS and PF can be incredible coins.
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  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Not proof, IMO.

    Can we get pics of it tilted toward a light? >>


    Yeah, I'll have them posted tomorrow evening. >>



    As promised.

    The mark on the chin doesn't look nearly as bad in hand.

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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Tuff one, the rim marks concern me and I'd be worried about a details grade from a jewelry bezel. >>



    I'm also wondering if those are bezel marks.
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  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • lostincoinslostincoins Posts: 4,278 ✭
    Hey Kyle IMO this is not a proof but a PL/DMPL as the marks on the eagles right wing are not present and the strike is a bit more flat than what I have seen on the proofs.
  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • TiborTibor Posts: 3,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For all of the evidence of having been circulated for a short time,
    (hairlines, gray field in front of face) I think it might have been struck
    with leftover proof dies. For an 1898-P the strike is excellent (eagle breast
    obverse portrait). IMO a circ. strike with leftover proof dies.
  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like it was scrubbed with a wire brush! I hope not though. If it was problem free I would say 64 DMPL.

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