WOW! What a GORGEOUS '52 Mantle PSA 4.5
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PWCC on eBay - ending in 4 hours - sitting at $30,700.00. This one is amazing for a 4.5!
STAY HEALTHY!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
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Wow-- it just hit 31.6 a few seconds ago.
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What is the VCP on a card in this grade? Obviously with the centering it will blow that number away.
<< <i>Nice card! What is the VCP on a card in this grade? Obviously with the centering it will blow that number away. >>
VCP ($26,700.00) on this grade is a bit tricky, as one sold in March for $36,410.00. Prior to that there was never a sale that hit $20,000.00.
EDITED TO ADD: This one is probably going to exceed the average VCP for a 4.5, 5, 5.5, 6 and 6.5!!!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
I don't see much shady in the bid history of this card at all. I know a couple of the bidders in fact and they are legit as they come.
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<< <i>I know a couple of the bidders >>
I'm sure you do.
<< <i>Nice card. Shady bid history. >>
WOW quite an interesting bidding history on the top seven bidders.
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<< <i>I know a couple of the bidders >>
I'm sure you do. >>
Bidder Information
Bidder: 1***1 ( 49Feedback score is 10 to 49)
Feedback: 100% Positive
Item description: 1952 Topps SETBREAK Mickey Mantle #311 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 2
30-Day Summary
Total bids: 6
Items bid on: 4
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 83% Help
Bid retractions: 2
Bid retractions (6 months): 20
This person obviously doesn't like to honor their bids.
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<< <i>If you haven't bid on anything in 30 days, guess what: it shows you have 100% bid history with that seller. >>
I am sure there are people who do wait for a copy of this to come up and only bid on one item.
The comment is more geared towards bidders like this I would think.
idding Details
Bidder Information
Bidder: t***y ( 12Feedback score is 10 to 49)
Feedback: 0% Positive
Item description: 1952 Topps SETBREAK Mickey Mantle #311 PSA 4.5 VGEX+ (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 3
30-Day Summary
Total bids: 110
Items bid on: 31
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 40% Help
Bid retractions: 1
Bid retractions (6 months): 2
<< <i>I agree bid retractions are often a problematic sign and that is the one bidder I see that has an alarming amount up there. >>
I would just add that if you are looking at an EBAY auction it would be very easy to have some concerns with the numbers that the top seven are showing. It may be perfectly fine as this is a unique card but nothing can be entirely ruled out.
It would seem this card will be decided at the last second and none of those bids may matter.
<< <i>Nice card. Shady bid history. >>
I agree 100%. To much money to lose in an auction format........plus previous history.
Mark
T206 Set - 300/524
It's a gorgeous card and will be fun to watch the last few minutes tonight.
Internet sleuthing can paint a helpful picture but doesn't always tell the full story.
Congrats to the eventual owner. That is one of the most stunningly centered mantles I've ever seen.
Feel free to pm if you like.
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<< <i>If those 8's ever drop the rest will take a big hit. >>
I actually would take the respectful counterpoint to this view. I know when I was shopping for mine, I was focused on my price range and seeking the best looking card I could find within that range, and the values of the 8s and up did not factor in at all. It's a wildly different price point for a totally different buyer. If the 8s started selling for 150k, I'd still pay happily today's prices for a dead centered 3 through 6. Tough to envision 3s selling for four digits, for example, if a bad 8 dips to a mere 150k or so at auction. After all, 3s hit 15k and the 4.5 ran 36k well before the new SCP 8 sale. That said, with so few 8s relative to demand, it's tough to conceive of a nice 8 selling under 200k nowadays. The 30 or so 8s have become the new 9s to some extent, with the known 9s and 10s now having chimera-like status.
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I actually would take the respectful counterpoint to this view. I know when I was shopping for mine, I was focused on my price range and seeking the best looking card I could find within that range, and the values of the 8s and up did not factor in at all. It's a wildly different price point for a totally different buyer. If the 8s started selling for 150k, I'd still pay happily today's prices for a dead centered 3 through 6. Tough to envision 3s selling for four digits, for example, if a bad 8 dips to a mere 150k or so at auction. After all, 3s hit 15k and the 4.5 ran 36k well before the new SCP 8 sale. That said, with so few 8s relative to demand, it's tough to conceive of a nice 8 selling under 200k nowadays. The 30 or so 8s have become the new 9s to some extent, with the known 9s and 10s now having chimera-like status. >>
Yes the 52 topps mantle has been up in all grades. There were recent private sales of PSA 7's for $100,000 and higher each.
Centered examples will always demand a premium.
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I actually would take the respectful counterpoint to this view. I know when I was shopping for mine, I was focused on my price range and seeking the best looking card I could find within that range, and the values of the 8s and up did not factor in at all. It's a wildly different price point for a totally different buyer. If the 8s started selling for 150k, I'd still pay happily today's prices for a dead centered 3 through 6. Tough to envision 3s selling for four digits, for example, if a bad 8 dips to a mere 150k or so at auction. After all, 3s hit 15k and the 4.5 ran 36k well before the new SCP 8 sale. That said, with so few 8s relative to demand, it's tough to conceive of a nice 8 selling under 200k nowadays. The 30 or so 8s have become the new 9s to some extent, with the known 9s and 10s now having chimera-like status. >>
Yes the 52 topps mantle has been up in all grades. There were recent private sales of PSA 7's for $100,000 and higher each.
Centered examples will always demand a premium. >>
Matt - I think we are talking the same language here. My statement was in relation to the price of the Mantle 8 which has soared recently, and if the market drops it could drop commensurate with that drop. Your point is correct in that finding the best example in spite of grade is 100% correct. The 4.5 that sold yesterday as well as your examples are much nicer than a lot of higher grade Mantles with poor centering. The eye appeal of your Mantles would warrant a $30k+ price more than a lot of PSA 6-7 cards I have seen out there.
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I actually would take the respectful counterpoint to this view. I know when I was shopping for mine, I was focused on my price range and seeking the best looking card I could find within that range, and the values of the 8s and up did not factor in at all. It's a wildly different price point for a totally different buyer. If the 8s started selling for 150k, I'd still pay happily today's prices for a dead centered 3 through 6. Tough to envision 3s selling for four digits, for example, if a bad 8 dips to a mere 150k or so at auction. After all, 3s hit 15k and the 4.5 ran 36k well before the new SCP 8 sale. That said, with so few 8s relative to demand, it's tough to conceive of a nice 8 selling under 200k nowadays. The 30 or so 8s have become the new 9s to some extent, with the known 9s and 10s now having chimera-like status. >>
Yes the 52 topps mantle has been up in all grades. There were recent private sales of PSA 7's for $100,000 and higher each.
Centered examples will always demand a premium. >>
Matt - I think we are talking the same language here. My statement was in relation to the price of the Mantle 8 which has soared recently, and if the market drops it could drop commensurate with that drop. Your point is correct in that finding the best example in spite of grade is 100% correct. The 4.5 that sold yesterday as well as your examples are much nicer than a lot of higher grade Mantles with poor centering. The eye appeal of your Mantles would warrant a $30k+ price more than a lot of PSA 6-7 cards I have seen out there. >>
Your not going to find a Psa 6 or 7 1952 topps mantle in the $30k range. There have been recent private sales of PSA 6's in the $60k range and PSA 7's in the $100k+ range.
GB-- you are correct; I was lucky enough to see that SGC 6 that recently sold big, was a real beauty. A bit better than 60-40 both ways with killer color. Would not look out of place in a 7 or 7.5 holder.
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<< <i>KC-- agreed; I misinterpreted that line about the 8s, my bad.
GB-- you are correct; I was lucky enough to see that SGC 6 that recently sold big, was a real beauty. A bit better than 60-40 both ways with killer color. Would not look out of place in a 7 or 7.5 holder. >>
Correct the recent 52 topps mantle SGC 6 sold for $50,000+ and a couple recent PSA 7 52 topps mantle's sold for $100,000+ each.
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<< <i>If those 8's ever drop the rest will take a big hit. >>
I actually would take the respectful counterpoint to this view. I know when I was shopping for mine, I was focused on my price range and seeking the best looking card I could find within that range, and the values of the 8s and up did not factor in at all. It's a wildly different price point for a totally different buyer. If the 8s started selling for 150k, I'd still pay happily today's prices for a dead centered 3 through 6. Tough to envision 3s selling for four digits, for example, if a bad 8 dips to a mere 150k or so at auction. After all, 3s hit 15k and the 4.5 ran 36k well before the new SCP 8 sale. That said, with so few 8s relative to demand, it's tough to conceive of a nice 8 selling under 200k nowadays. The 30 or so 8s have become the new 9s to some extent, with the known 9s and 10s now having chimera-like status. >>
Yes the 52 topps mantle has been up in all grades. There were recent private sales of PSA 7's for $100,000 and higher each.
Centered examples will always demand a premium. >>
Matt - I think we are talking the same language here. My statement was in relation to the price of the Mantle 8 which has soared recently, and if the market drops it could drop commensurate with that drop. Your point is correct in that finding the best example in spite of grade is 100% correct. The 4.5 that sold yesterday as well as your examples are much nicer than a lot of higher grade Mantles with poor centering. The eye appeal of your Mantles would warrant a $30k+ price more than a lot of PSA 6-7 cards I have seen out there. >>
Your not going to find a Psa 6 or 7 1952 topps mantle in the $30k range. There have been recent private sales of PSA 6's in the $60k range and PSA 7's in the $100k+ range. >>
Did not state that I would find 6's of 7's in the $30k range - what was stated was that the 4.5's in the $30k range looked better and were worth more than a lot of 6's and 7's out there. Sorry you took it the wrong way. Well aware of what the 6's and 7's go for - way to go VCP
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I actually would take the respectful counterpoint to this view. I know when I was shopping for mine, I was focused on my price range and seeking the best looking card I could find within that range, and the values of the 8s and up did not factor in at all. It's a wildly different price point for a totally different buyer. If the 8s started selling for 150k, I'd still pay happily today's prices for a dead centered 3 through 6. Tough to envision 3s selling for four digits, for example, if a bad 8 dips to a mere 150k or so at auction. After all, 3s hit 15k and the 4.5 ran 36k well before the new SCP 8 sale. That said, with so few 8s relative to demand, it's tough to conceive of a nice 8 selling under 200k nowadays. The 30 or so 8s have become the new 9s to some extent, with the known 9s and 10s now having chimera-like status. >>
Yes the 52 topps mantle has been up in all grades. There were recent private sales of PSA 7's for $100,000 and higher each.
Centered examples will always demand a premium. >>
Matt - I think we are talking the same language here. My statement was in relation to the price of the Mantle 8 which has soared recently, and if the market drops it could drop commensurate with that drop. Your point is correct in that finding the best example in spite of grade is 100% correct. The 4.5 that sold yesterday as well as your examples are much nicer than a lot of higher grade Mantles with poor centering. The eye appeal of your Mantles would warrant a $30k+ price more than a lot of PSA 6-7 cards I have seen out there. >>
Your not going to find a Psa 6 or 7 1952 topps mantle in the $30k range. There have been recent private sales of PSA 6's in the $60k range and PSA 7's in the $100k+ range. >>
Did not state that I would find 6's of 7's in the $30k range - what was stated was that the 4.5's in the $30k range looked better and were worth more than a lot of 6's and 7's out there. Sorry you took it the wrong way. Well aware of what the 6's and 7's go for - way to go VCP
Thanks for the clarification. Happy holidays!
Funny thing was last night while the auction was ending and the price was stuck at $31,600 I believe I told my wife sitting next to me "I think I am going to stick a bid in at $31,700 and see what happens. She is a veteran of many Nationals and card shows and looks at me and says "that is a whole car there sweetie." I told her yes it is but we can get you a bicycle to get back and forth to work. Good thing I did not bid on it!
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<< <i>No worries. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and yours.
Funny thing was last night while the auction was ending and the price was stuck at $31,600 I believe I told my wife sitting next to me "I think I am going to stick a bid in at $31,700 and see what happens. She is a veteran of many Nationals and card shows and looks at me and says "that is a whole car there sweetie." I told her yes it is but we can get you a bicycle to get back and forth to work. Good thing I did not bid on it! >>
You are a good husband