1978 Topps Baseball All PSA 10 Set Completed (by Hatch)
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Was reading that this 726 card set has been completed by him, all in PSA 10. Amazing. I may be wrong, but I believe that a Ryan was just recently graded PSA 10 for the first time. That was the last card he needed.
Hatch's 1978 Topps Set - All PSA 10s
Hatch's 1978 Topps Set - All PSA 10s
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one heckuva job accumulating all 726. fo shizzle.
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Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
He is a great guy, too.
I was amazed at how quickly all the zero pop PSA 10s (of which there were several, like Dillard, Burleson, Ryan, Speier) turned up as 10s, as that was always the major hurdle in my mind for him to finish the set, as those were PSA 10 pop zeros for many years.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Hatch, if you happen to read this, congrats. What an amazing accomplishment. Like others, this is one of my all-time favorite sets. It is the first set I actively collected and completed as a yute.
edit: I hope not a single card for Hatch's set was obtained from a certain resealing-kit-selling, blue-glove-wearing, Johnny-Oates-hostage-holding individual.
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Congrats on completing that PSA 10 set! I dont even want to think how much it would sell for if it was put on the open market.
Or was it purchased.
Anyone know?
<< <i>edit: I hope not a single card for Hatch's set was obtained from a certain resealing-kit-selling, blue-glove-wearing, Johnny-Oates-hostage-holding individual.
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
<< <i> edit: I hope not a single card for Hatch's set was obtained from a certain resealing-kit-selling, blue-glove-wearing, Johnny-Oates-hostage-holding individual.
I'll throw on a pair of camo shorts and raise my wine glass to that one
Tom Murphy
With commons at this price obviously the financial commitment to make this happen is quite large. Very impressive to be able put together a set like this.
I am a little surprised that every card from a set this large from the 70's can even grade Gem Mint.
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<< <i>Murphy is a Pop 2. Maybe that's a typo from The Probstein. >>
Any chance it became a Pop 2 in the last month?
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<< <i>Murphy is a Pop 2. Maybe that's a typo from The Probstein. >>
Any chance it became a Pop 2 in the last month? >>
That would be a good bet. I see a $2k common on eBay and I'm scrubbing my inventory for anything even remotely possible for achieving a 10!
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<< <i>Murphy is a Pop 2. Maybe that's a typo from The Probstein. >>
Any chance it became a Pop 2 in the last month? >>
That would be a good bet. I see a $2k common on eBay and I'm scrubbing my inventory for anything even remotely possible for achieving a 10! >>
LOL, unfortunately the next guy who wants/needs that card will be lucky to pay 1/6 of that price...still worth a search, though!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Really cool accomplishment ! Congrats man...
TheClockworkAngelCollection
<< <i>Anyone know the story of the first Ryan 10? A recent bump? raw submission? Hatch, if you're around, I'd love to hear the story of how the Ryan came about...
Really cool accomplishment ! Congrats man... >>
I read in the liner notes of the SMR that one sold in 2009 for $5,454. It didn't list the card number so perhaps it is an all star card or some action shot.
I got the feeling from reading Grote's post it must have hit relatively recently.
<< <i>.....I got the feeling from reading Grote's post it must have hit relatively recently. >>
Yes, based on pop reports, in the last few months.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
<< <i>Anyone know the story of the first Ryan 10? A recent bump? raw submission? Hatch, if you're around, I'd love to hear the story of how the Ryan came about...
Really cool accomplishment ! Congrats man... >>
Over on the PSA Set Registry Forum is a 1978 Topps Baseball thread and this is an excerpt from Hatch's post:
Nolan Ryan was the toughest.....never thought I'd find the card. I never got close, even after cases and cases of raw material. It came to me by way of an inbound call from a trader who was looking out for me. He could've taken that card to many other collectors, probably getting more money, but he wanted to help this set make it. We cut a deal pretty quickly, and I jumped on a flight to Southern California to pick it up from him. I owe him a lot for coming to me first. Besides that, back a few years ago, 10's were really hard to find for the tough cards....like the Speier card and George Brett. Many of you helped me put those cards in the set which was great. Nowadays, so many submissions are being made by dealers that most of the 726 cards in the set have dozens of 10's in the market. It's beginning to create a commodity market for 10's, although the good news is that the high prices will be gone soon and the set will be affordable again for the collecting community. I"ll be glad to see that.
I believe this set is the very first basic Topps baseball set Regular or Update to achieve the lofty grade of 10.00 from PSA from 1952-Date.
Later, Paul.
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<< <i>Anyone know the story of the first Ryan 10? A recent bump? raw submission? Hatch, if you're around, I'd love to hear the story of how the Ryan came about...
Really cool accomplishment ! Congrats man... >>
Over on the PSA Set Registry Forum is a 1978 Topps Baseball thread and this is an excerpt from Hatch's post:
Nolan Ryan was the toughest.....never thought I'd find the card. I never got close, even after cases and cases of raw material. It came to me by way of an inbound call from a trader who was looking out for me. He could've taken that card to many other collectors, probably getting more money, but he wanted to help this set make it. We cut a deal pretty quickly, and I jumped on a flight to Southern California to pick it up from him. I owe him a lot for coming to me first. Besides that, back a few years ago, 10's were really hard to find for the tough cards....like the Speier card and George Brett. Many of you helped me put those cards in the set which was great. Nowadays, so many submissions are being made by dealers that most of the 726 cards in the set have dozens of 10's in the market. It's beginning to create a commodity market for 10's, although the good news is that the high prices will be gone soon and the set will be affordable again for the collecting community. I"ll be glad to see that.
I believe this set is the very first basic Topps baseball set Regular or Update to achieve the lofty grade of 10.00 from PSA from 1952-Date. >>
Fascinating to see him say he wants the 10's to come down in price and that the wax will follow suit. This guy sounds like a very interesting person.
Is this guy made of money? I can't imagine wanting my cards to drop in value.
The thread you linked is very long so I will just ask. How long did this take for him to put together?
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<< <i>Anyone know the story of the first Ryan 10? A recent bump? raw submission? Hatch, if you're around, I'd love to hear the story of how the Ryan came about...
Really cool accomplishment ! Congrats man... >>
Over on the PSA Set Registry Forum is a 1978 Topps Baseball thread and this is an excerpt from Hatch's post:
Nolan Ryan was the toughest.....never thought I'd find the card. I never got close, even after cases and cases of raw material. It came to me by way of an inbound call from a trader who was looking out for me. He could've taken that card to many other collectors, probably getting more money, but he wanted to help this set make it. We cut a deal pretty quickly, and I jumped on a flight to Southern California to pick it up from him. I owe him a lot for coming to me first. Besides that, back a few years ago, 10's were really hard to find for the tough cards....like the Speier card and George Brett. Many of you helped me put those cards in the set which was great. Nowadays, so many submissions are being made by dealers that most of the 726 cards in the set have dozens of 10's in the market. It's beginning to create a commodity market for 10's, although the good news is that the high prices will be gone soon and the set will be affordable again for the collecting community. I"ll be glad to see that.
I believe this set is the very first basic Topps baseball set Regular or Update to achieve the lofty grade of 10.00 from PSA from 1952-Date. >>
Fascinating to see him say he wants the 10's to come down in price and that the wax will follow suit. This guy sounds like a very interesting person.
Is this guy made of money? I can't imagine wanting my cards to drop in value.
The thread you linked is very long so I will just ask. How long did this take for him to put together? >>
At least 6-7 years.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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I don't know Hatch and we've never talked to each other online, so I don't want to put words in his mouth, but when someone puts together a set like this they're not looking at it from an investment perspective.
Sounds like he's focused on his set and genuinely enjoys helping fellow collectors with theirs. With an attitude like that, it's no wonder the supplier of the Ryan helped him rather than open it to the market.
My question for Hatch is: are you going to upgrade your 10s? Not all are created equal and I would imagine there are some weak 10s here and there in the 796 set. Even though it's all done, complete and encapsulated, there has to be some desire to keep working and improving it.
Congrats again!
Patrick
Erik
<< <i>My question for Hatch is: are you going to upgrade your 10s? Not all are created equal and I would imagine there are some weak 10s here and there in the 796 set. Even though it's all done, complete and encapsulated, there has to be some desire to keep working and improving it.
Congrats again!
Patrick >>
This is an excellent question, and something that I would certainly do. I would probably have the set in numerical order already, so I would break it down into stacks of about 25 cards at a time and go through each card no matter what # the card is or who is on it and make sure that each and every card qualifies as a 10 in "MY BOOK" so to speak. Again, you are quite right, as has been discussed on these boards several times, unless you are making a self-subbed set, you have no control over what the card looks like in the holder and not all 10's are created the same.
Here is a link to the set: 1978 Topps Baseball Collectors
Later, Paul.
<< <i>Is the fact that the 1978 set is the only one with every card existing in a 10 solely due to Hatch submitting a lot? >>
I do not believe so, it just so happens that he was fortunate enough to put the set together complete all in PSA 10.
You can be a billionaire, have all the boxes and cases in the world, sub till ur blue in the face and not get all 10's. The planets need to line up to get it done. You need help, and he is gracious enough to acknowledge that.
You need timing, money, raw cards to sub, patience, contacts, collectors willing to sell key cards, maybe a dealer or 2 depending on the set, and most importantly....LUCK!
Later, Paul.
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<< <i>Is the fact that the 1978 set is the only one with every card existing in a 10 solely due to Hatch submitting a lot? >>
I do not believe so, it just so happens that he was fortunate enough to put the set together complete all in PSA 10.
You can be a billionaire, have all the boxes and cases in the world, sub till ur blue in the face and not get all 10's. The planets need to line up to get it done. You need help, and he is gracious enough to acknowledge that.
You need timing, money, raw cards to sub, patience, contacts, collectors willing to sell key cards, maybe a dealer or 2 depending on the set, and most importantly....LUCK! >>
+1
Though he certainly submitted a lot of cards on his own, he had many collectors/dealers looking out for him along the way, as evidenced with the Nolan Ryan card.
I will say again, though, that quite a few (at least 5-6) cards that had been zero pop 10s did pop 10s over the past few months~Hatch finished his set a lot faster than I thought he would.
An awesome finish, with a flurry, to be sure.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>Is the fact that the 1978 set is the only one with every card existing in a 10 solely due to Hatch submitting a lot? >>
I do not believe so, it just so happens that he was fortunate enough to put the set together complete all in PSA 10.
You can be a billionaire, have all the boxes and cases in the world, sub till ur blue in the face and not get all 10's. The planets need to line up to get it done. You need help, and he is gracious enough to acknowledge that.
You need timing, money, raw cards to sub, patience, contacts, collectors willing to sell key cards, maybe a dealer or 2 depending on the set, and most importantly....LUCK! >>
I wasn't talking about his completion of the set. Apparently, 1978 is the only BB set for which a 10 exists for every card. I was just wondering whether his relentless submitting is largely responsible for that, or if it's just a fluke. Could be that 1978 sits in just the right spot between "not common enough" and "not worth submitting" with two tough centering years surrounding it.
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<< <i>Is the fact that the 1978 set is the only one with every card existing in a 10 solely due to Hatch submitting a lot? >>
I do not believe so, it just so happens that he was fortunate enough to put the set together complete all in PSA 10.
You can be a billionaire, have all the boxes and cases in the world, sub till ur blue in the face and not get all 10's. The planets need to line up to get it done. You need help, and he is gracious enough to acknowledge that.
You need timing, money, raw cards to sub, patience, contacts, collectors willing to sell key cards, maybe a dealer or 2 depending on the set, and most importantly....LUCK! >>
I wasn't talking about his completion of the set. Apparently, 1978 is the only BB set for which a 10 exists for every card. I was just wondering whether his relentless submitting is largely responsible for that, or if it's just a fluke. Could be that 1978 sits in just the right spot between "not common enough" and "not worth submitting" with two tough centering years surrounding it. >>
I believe you are quite correct with this statement, because I bet really soon the next major topps set to see 10.00 will be either 1977, 1979 or 1980. They are all right at those key change over years.
Later, Paul.
<< <i><< My question for Hatch is: are you going to upgrade your 10s? Not all are created equal and I would imagine there are some weak 10s here and there in the 796 set. Even though it's all done, complete and encapsulated, there has to be some desire to keep working and improving it.
Congrats again!
Patrick >>
This is an excellent question, and something that I would certainly do. I would probably have the set in numerical order already, so I would break it down into stacks of about 25 cards at a time and go through each card no matter what # the card is or who is on it and make sure that each and every card qualifies as a 10 in "MY BOOK" so to speak. Again, you are quite right, as has been discussed on these boards several times, unless you are making a self-subbed set, you have no control over what the card looks like in the holder and not all 10's are created the same. >>
While I have been working on my specific Topps set, I have found that the most methodical way to upgrade 10's within the set is to do it by team. So for instance, If I complete the Detriot Tigers, I then go through each card one by one and inspect them very closely. If I feel a certain card was a "slider", or if I don't feel it measures up I then write it down and keep a search on it. This is hard to do with POP 1's of course, but for multiple POP cards, this has worked very well.
Just a thought though, and congratulations to Hach for completing this set. I'm newer to the boards and have never spoken with him, but he seems to be well liked and popular amongst the board so it's nice to see someone genuine complete a feat like this.
I also agree with Stooge's comment above on what it takes to complete a set of this size. I'm going on 3 years (guestimate), working on mine and it has been very challenging and sometimes financially overbearing, but I'm in it for the long haul and just keep telling myself to take my time. It starts getting especially difficult when you get down to the last quarter of the set and the cards you need are super scarce or don't exist in 10's yet. Then the ripping and subbing games start making more and more sense.
ETA that IMO, help from friends and fellow collector's is a must. I wouldn't be as far along as I am without help, and the story of the Nolan Ryan card in the 1978 set is amazing. Congratulations once again.