<< <i>They never lie to us. We should question nothing they say and just be sheep.
There you go again. >>
That's right. If a person dares to have the courage to point out that we are being lied to and manipulated you are labeled a conspiracy theorist by people whom the system has already deceived in to believing their narrative. It doesn't bother me. I wear it like a badge of honor. I feel for the people who refuse to open their eyes and learn what is really going on behind the scenes. Sure, they can laugh and mock now. It's fun and doesn't take any courage to be a part of that group. >>
trololololol at it taking 'courage' to parrot fox news.
<< <i>They never lie to us. We should question nothing they say and just be sheep.
There you go again. >>
That's right. If a person dares to have the courage to point out that we are being lied to and manipulated you are labeled a conspiracy theorist by people whom the system has already deceived in to believing their narrative. It doesn't bother me. I wear it like a badge of honor. I feel for the people who refuse to open their eyes and learn what is really going on behind the scenes. Sure, they can laugh and mock now. It's fun and doesn't take any courage to be a part of that group. >>
trololololol at it taking 'courage' to parrot fox news. >>
FYI, I can't stand FOX news no more than I can stand MSNBC or CNN..
<< <i><<That's right. If a person dares to have the courage to point out that we are being lied to and manipulated you are labeled a conspiracy theorist by people whom the system has already deceived in to believing their narrative. It doesn't bother me. I wear it like a badge of honor. I feel for the people who refuse to open their eyes and learn what is really going on behind the scenes. Sure, they can laugh and mock now. It's fun and doesn't take any courage to be a part of that group. >>
You continue to demonstrate zealotism. I and many others on here actually agree with many of your points, to a certain degree. Why do you feel the need to belittle us, ascribe to us the absolute opposite extremist ("totally brainwashed") characterization, and make yourself out to be some genius that has just come to these realizations, and we're either cretins or willfully ignorant (oblivious)?
Yes, gold is worth having, yes the financial system is flawed, yes the healthcare system is flawed, yes the political system is flawed, yes "they" manipulate us (or try to) and yes, some folks are more aware of this, more every day, and more and more folks are seeking to be objective about these issues and understand the underlying fundamentals.
However, the inflamatory language and the belittling of those engaging you in conversation, the mis-stating of others' positions, are not helping you "spread the good word" in fact, quite the contrary. >>
You and Grote and the ones mocking and belittling me and what I have to say. Did I reply in my defense? You bet! Unlike you guys, I actually post my opinions and back it with evidence. Evidence that you don't even take the time to research before you come guns a blazing with the typical 'conspiracy theory' nonsense.
<< <i>They never lie to us. We should question nothing they say and just be sheep.
There you go again. >>
That's right. If a person dares to have the courage to point out that we are being lied to and manipulated you are labeled a conspiracy theorist by people whom the system has already deceived in to believing their narrative. It doesn't bother me. I wear it like a badge of honor. I feel for the people who refuse to open their eyes and learn what is really going on behind the scenes. Sure, they can laugh and mock now. It's fun and doesn't take any courage to be a part of that group. >>
trololololol at it taking 'courage' to parrot fox news. >>
FYI, I can't stand FOX news no more than I can stand MSNBC or CNN.. >>
fine, then we can substitute the racist, incel carcass of what's left of ZeroHedge then. Listen to Baley, stan. I agree with him, i just don't have the patience to play nice.
<< <i>They never lie to us. We should question nothing they say and just be sheep.
There you go again. >>
That's right. If a person dares to have the courage to point out that we are being lied to and manipulated you are labeled a conspiracy theorist by people whom the system has already deceived in to believing their narrative. It doesn't bother me. I wear it like a badge of honor. I feel for the people who refuse to open their eyes and learn what is really going on behind the scenes. Sure, they can laugh and mock now. It's fun and doesn't take any courage to be a part of that group. >>
Really a continuation of the cradle to grave, nanny state deception. We have gone from a nation of hale and hearty farmers, inhaling fresh air and exercising our bodies, to cubicle drones, in a mere century. Independent thought is discouraged for 45 hours a week and the Stockholm reflex continues on to the grocery store and then the medical office and pharmacy.
Witnessing my third acquaintance succumb to Cancer over the last 24 months. 2 are gone, one is not far. Only constant is the medicine has failed and the docs have gotten wealthy off the suffering. >>
I am truly sorry for your losses. The cancer rate is getting really bad, and all everyone in the mainstream media wants to do is 'Race For The Cure', instead of finding out what is causing it, and why the cancer rates have literally exploded over the last couple of decades. Like you stated, they sure make their money off of raising millions to treat sick people, but that's all that is happening because it's a profit driven agenda. Proof being, they totally ignore the poisons being placed in our food and water that are actually causing these cancers. If the country took on that issue, like they do the 'Race For The Cure' propaganda that is being sold to us, we might be able to greatly reduce the cancer rates in the US.
<< <i>We're an over-medicated society, and the goal of drug companies and a compliant and harried medical establishment is ultimately to have some drug coursing through every individuals's bloodstream
Yes we are, but not for that reason. Look at ourselves--we all want to live longer and will gladly take medications to achieve that goal. Why do you always see conspiracy in personal action and responsibility? >>
No, it's exactly for the reasons I detailed and backed with links to medical research. There is no conspiracy in posting what has been proven effects from taking these rx poisons. They push them 24/7 on tv. If you don't believe me, watch television and count how many times they air pharma commercials over the course of a day. It's really bad when watching mainstream news like FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc.. If you look who is behind these companies, you can see who buys/controls your mainstream news. >>
I see those commercials all the time but I am not pushed into anything. If your doctor says you need to take XYZ pill or you will suffer diminished life experiences will you say NO? Of course not, but it is your choice to take the pill.
Who are the demographics that watch the nightly news---20 somethings or 60 somethings? Who has more health concerns? Its called marketing. No conspiracy. No manipulation.
Why dont I see drug ads on my Kids' cartoon channels? You would think the drug companies would be trying to recruit new "sheeple", whouldnt you? HAHAHA
<< <i> If your doctor says you need to take XYZ pill or you will suffer diminished life experiences will you say NO? >>
Many do. The cholesterol lowering drugs are worthless and have severe negative side effects. The kickback vacations awarded to the prescribers though, are nice!
<< <i>We're an over-medicated society, and the goal of drug companies and a compliant and harried medical establishment is ultimately to have some drug coursing through every individuals's bloodstream
Yes we are, but not for that reason. Look at ourselves--we all want to live longer and will gladly take medications to achieve that goal. Why do you always see conspiracy in personal action and responsibility? >>
No, it's exactly for the reasons I detailed and backed with links to medical research. There is no conspiracy in posting what has been proven effects from taking these rx poisons. They push them 24/7 on tv. If you don't believe me, watch television and count how many times they air pharma commercials over the course of a day. It's really bad when watching mainstream news like FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc.. If you look who is behind these companies, you can see who buys/controls your mainstream news. >>
I see those commercials all the time but I am not pushed into anything. If your doctor says you need to take XYZ pill or you will suffer diminished life experiences will you say NO? Of course not, but it is your choice to take the pill.
Who are the demographics that watch the nightly news---20 somethings or 60 somethings? Who has more health concerns? Its called marketing. No conspiracy. No manipulation.
Why dont I see drug ads on my Kids' cartoon channels? You would think the drug companies would be trying to recruit new "sheeple", whouldnt you? HAHAHA >>
You missed my point. The point is that they push their drugs that have proven dangerous side effects onto people. Many whom are uniformed of just how dangerous these drugs actually are. All they do is trust whatever the pill pusher at the doctor's office tell them to take. Often, at their own peril, while Big Pharma makes huge profits.
And why would they need to push Big Pharma on cartoon channels when they have many uninformed parents already allowing their kids to be placed on these SSRIs?
The cancer rate is getting really bad, and all everyone in the mainstream media wants to do is 'Race For The Cure', instead of finding out what is causing it, and why the cancer rates have literally exploded over the last couple of decades
Humans, and all living organisms, have a built in self destruct mechanisms which are largely based on time--as we get older, we get sicker. I hope this isnt news to you.
So while you contend that GMOs, pills, environment, ect are leading to increases in disease, I would argue that disease is more prevalent because we are getting old, thus more self destruct mechanisms come into play. Humans are not supposed to live forever. However, if we wish to play God, then we had better be prepared to go all in and see the game to fruition. Im not a very religious person, and im a foolish idiot, but I am quite certain this is a game will will/would lose.
Rates of disease for not increasing but the ability of diagnosis has greatly increased. This coupled with an aging population will make the data appear that way. More people die of cancer today because there are more people. More people die of cancer today because they are not dying earlier in age due to common viruses (influenza, polio, ect), work related accidents (farming, mining, forestry, railroad building), complications from childbirth, exposure to the elements.....
You can believe the big corporations and government are out to poison and control us all, or you can believe in something more simple, logical and realistic. I choose the latter.
<< <i> If your doctor says you need to take XYZ pill or you will suffer diminished life experiences will you say NO? >>
Many do. The cholesterol lowering drugs are worthless and have severe negative side effects. The kickback vacations awarded to the prescribers though, are nice! >>
Cholesterol lowing drugs? There isn't even good scientific evidence that cholesterol is the bogeyman in heart disease considering that over half the people that end up with HD, have normal cholesterol. But that's not the spin coming out mainstream medical and media. It's pretty clear what some of the root causes are of HD and cancer. It's just that there's no money to be made by eliminating those root causes. The money is in the prescription meds. Big Pharma doesn't like the idea of J6P treating himself via a healthy diet and natural vitamins and supplements. There is a push underway to try and regulate supplements so that they can become prescribed meds. This will be done under the blanket of trying to protect the public from all the "bad" supplements out there that are potentially harming them. Follow the money to the next set of regulations.
Humans, and all living organisms, have a built in self destruct mechanisms which are largely based on time--as we get older, we get sicker. I hope this isn't news to you.
Our kids and grand kids are getting diabetes, hardening of the arteries, autism, depression, and other issues much earlier and with much higher frequency than our generation ever did. It's a lot more than just over-diagnosis, though I'd admit there's certainly much of that out there. Our kids are over-vaccinated, over-medicated, over-hormoned, over-toxined, over-fed with junk, and under-exercised. We can do something about the last 2. The first 4 items are much more difficult. While they won't see the Big Pharma commercials at ages 1-8, they will see them in their teens which is plenty of time to help indoctrinate them for later in life. Us old farts didn't get to see them in our teens and twenties so it's too late to indoctrinate us. But we did see the cigarette and beer commercials (and movies) which did indoctrinate us to those habits, some of us before we were teens.
hahahaha. this just in my pm box from our buddy stan:
"Your threat and the nasty nature of your post didn't intimidate me. I prefer to keep it civil, but it's up to you."
That threat to listen to Baly must have really rubbed raw. I hereby declare this to be the 'StanTheMan has Officially Gone Off the Rails and Is Gonna Get Banhammered' thread.
<< <i>You can believe the big corporations and government are out to poison and control us all, or you can believe in something more simple, logical and realistic. I choose the latter. >>
Problem is that head in the sand voters have decided that we should all participate in this reprehensible and dangerous program, at least financially.
It's just that there's no money to be made by eliminating those root causes. The money is in the prescription meds. Big Pharma doesn't like the idea of J6P treating himself via a healthy diet and natural vitamins and supplements
There is money to be made because WE want to live longer and it is easier to take a pill then exercise and prepare our own food.
When I was a broker my manager told me, "If a man wants to buy a blue suit then you sell him a blue suit". Drug companies sell drugs because we want to live forever.
<< <i>The cancer rate is getting really bad, and all everyone in the mainstream media wants to do is 'Race For The Cure', instead of finding out what is causing it, and why the cancer rates have literally exploded over the last couple of decades
Humans, and all living organisms, have a built in self destruct mechanisms which are largely based on time--as we get older, we get sicker. I hope this isnt news to you.
So while you contend that GMOs, pills, environment, ect are leading to increases in disease, I would argue that disease is more prevalent because we are getting old, thus more self destruct mechanisms come into play. Humans are not supposed to live forever. However, if we wish to play God, then we had better be prepared to go all in and see the game to fruition. Im not a very religious person, and im a foolish idiot, but I am quite certain this is a game will will/would lose.
Rates of disease for not increasing but the ability of diagnosis has greatly increased. This coupled with an aging population will make the data appear that way. More people die of cancer today because there are more people. More people die of cancer today because they are not dying earlier in age due to common viruses (influenza, polio, ect), work related accidents (farming, mining, forestry, railroad building), complications from childbirth, exposure to the elements.....
You can believe the big corporations and government are out to poison and control us all, or you can believe in something more simple, logical and realistic. I choose the latter. >>
Your theory is flawed because the rates of all types of cancers are exploding in every age category. Not just older people.
You make excuses after excuses while ignoring facts that they are placing poisons in the food and water. For example, fluoride is a toxin that they mandate to be placed in our drinking water. On the other hand, if you or I dump fluoride, the EPA comes after us because it is a toxin. Yet, they mandate it in the drinking water? Nah, that's not poisoning us...
You look at the proven fact that GMOs have caused obesity, tumors, and hair to grow out of the mouth of lab animals they were tested on, yet, the big corporations like Monsanto are allowed to feed it to us. You look at things like high fructose corn syrup that they allow to be placed in tons of products that is proven to cause diabetes, weight gain, etc... What about the aspartame poison they are replacing sugar with in many gums and candies these days? Nah, none of that means anything. Instead, let's, be 'simple', 'logical', and 'realistic', while ignoring the facts.
<< <i>hahahaha. this just in my pm box from our buddy stan:
"Your threat and the nasty nature of your post didn't intimidate me. I prefer to keep it civil, but it's up to you."
That threat to listen to Baly must have really rubbed raw. I hereby declare this to be the 'StanTheMan has Officially Gone Off the Rails and Is Gonna Get Banhammered' thread. >>
You posted that you did not play nice. You were trying to act tough on me, trying to tell me what to do so you didn't have to 'get tough' so to speak. In return, I pmed you and stated that you did not intimidate me and that I preferred to keep it civil. I meant what I said. I still do. I have been on here since 2007, so I don't see why you think my debating these issues is a gone off the rails moment. It looks like you are more interested in stirring the pot than debating the substance of these issues. Maybe you are the one who needs "banhammered".
<< <i>There is money to be made because WE want to live longer and it is easier to take a pill then exercise and prepare our own food. When I was a broker my manager told me, "If a man wants to buy a blue suit then you sell him a blue suit". Drug companies sell drugs because we want to live forever. >>
There's no drugs to sell to J6P if he's already healthy and has normal blood level parameters (ie normal BP, normal cholesterol, normal weight and body fat, no signs of disease, etc.). Those Joe's are getting harder to find.
Kids aren't concerned about living forever. And I doubt twenty or thirty somethings are either. But they get prescribed meds nonetheless because some "parameter" is not perfect. I've never even considered taking meds to make myself live forever, and I suspect most people don't either. My goal is be healthy today. Whatever age I'm going to live to is unknown to me. The thought of living forever never occurred to me. I just want to be vital and healthy to whatever age I live to. I think most of the meds people take are to cover up symptoms that bother them. The rest are prescribed by their doctor because some number is not just "right." And that "right" number often proves to be wrong. If they really wanted to live forever, they'd find some motivation to revamp their diet and lifestyle and get off the harmful meds. The 20% of women that take anti-depressants aren't doing it to live forever. And those taking cholesterol lowering drugs aren't doing it to live forever either. Their doctor's said, "take this." If anything, the negative effects of those meds is probably more harmful than elevated cholesterol.
The medical community went off on a cholesterol tangent 40 years ago and has been slow to change course. Other factors like homocysteine, CRP, ADMA, etc. have shown to be strong markers of future heart disease/stroke...probably more conclusive than cholesterol. Current evidence supports ignoring LDL altogether. No medical studies as of 2010 have shown any mortality benefit for woman taking statins. Studies on middle-aged men taking cholesterol lowering drugs to reduce cardiac events have also shown no decrease in overall mortality. So why take them? The first generation of statin drugs killed people. Those were eventually taken off the market. The panels recommending statins tend to be the same people benefiting financially from those recommendations ....Daniels 2010. .
The real problem is that most people don't have all the facts and therefore can't make the right choices. It takes a lot of effort to get to the real facts.
<< <i>hahahaha. this just in my pm box from our buddy stan:
"Your threat and the nasty nature of your post didn't intimidate me. I prefer to keep it civil, but it's up to you."
That threat to listen to Baly must have really rubbed raw. I hereby declare this to be the 'StanTheMan has Officially Gone Off the Rails and Is Gonna Get Banhammered' thread. >>
You posted that you did not play nice. You were trying to act tough on me, trying to tell me what to do so you didn't have to 'get tough' so to speak. In return, I pmed you and stated that you did not intimidate me and that I preferred to keep it civil. I meant what I said. I still do. I have been on here since 2007, so I don't see why you think my debating these issues is a gone off the rails moment. It looks like you are more interested in stirring the pot than debating the substance of these issues. Maybe you are the one who needs "banhammered". >>
<< <i>hahahaha. this just in my pm box from our buddy stan:
"Your threat and the nasty nature of your post didn't intimidate me. I prefer to keep it civil, but it's up to you."
That threat to listen to Baly must have really rubbed raw. I hereby declare this to be the 'StanTheMan has Officially Gone Off the Rails and Is Gonna Get Banhammered' thread. >>
You posted that you did not play nice. You were trying to act tough on me, trying to tell me what to do so you didn't have to 'get tough' so to speak. In return, I pmed you and stated that you did not intimidate me and that I preferred to keep it civil. I meant what I said. I still do. I have been on here since 2007, so I don't see why you think my debating these issues is a gone off the rails moment. It looks like you are more interested in stirring the pot than debating the substance of these issues. Maybe you are the one who needs "banhammered". >>
We're gonna git you, Stan. all of us.
Sincerely, They >>
Like I said, your actions proves you are more interested in stirring the pot than having a debate on the substance of the issues. I will not reply to anymore of your trolling.
One benefit of having no insurance I have lucked into is I've never been on any medication. Other than antibiotics now and then for a tooth abcess or sinus infection.
At 47 I don't take any BP , cholesterol or any other daily meds.
I think I'm doing okay considering my father died from a massive heart attack at 46
He was poisoned to death himself. Chiefly by 2 packs of smokes and lots of alcohol so I'm not going to blame the government for that.
For all the chemicals we ingest I think personal stupidity overshadows the effects of them for most.
<< <i>Chiefly by 2 packs of smokes and lots of alcohol so I'm not going to blame the government for that. >>
Many of course do blame the government and the tobacco companies. What part of inhaling raw smoke would seem to indicate that it just might be harmful to ones lungs. Could it be the incessant coughing? Never stopped this nation of victims from cashing in.
Both of my parents were heavy smokers and both suffered the consequences of their actions.
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<< <i>There is money to be made because WE want to live longer and it is easier to take a pill then exercise and prepare our own food. >>
But again, Cohodk, why jam the cost down the throats of those that do not want to participate? >>
Well, I agree. But I also believe everyone in this country should have the same access to medical care. If we would allow(mandate) lower costs then the burden would be a lot less. But, we, through our employers, allow costs to rise every year. Why does a drug cost $80,000 in the US and $800 in Egypt? Because we will pay it. If we refuse these higher costs then prices will drop. But since we all want to live forever, we will gladly pay any price.
<< <i>Chiefly by 2 packs of smokes and lots of alcohol so I'm not going to blame the government for that. >>
Many of course do blame the government and the tobacco companies. What part of inhaling raw smoke would seem to indicate that it just might be harmful to ones lungs. Could it be the incessant coughing? Never stopped this nation of victims from cashing in.
Both of my parents were heavy smokers and both suffered the consequences of their actions. >>
For people of that generation, smoking was promoted as a healthy method to curb appetite, lose weight or to get an energy boost.
And if you think the media brainwashes the population now, television and advertisers had even more influence on behavior back then.
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Our kids and grand kids are getting diabetes, hardening of the arteries, autism, depression, and other issues much earlier and with much higher frequency than our generation ever did.
Because Mom doesnt cook a home made meal and we let our kids sit in front of the TV playing video games.
Its not because "they" are poisoning us.
What has happened to this country whereby no one accepts personal responsibility? Lets just blame someone else, its easier that way.
<< <i>But I also believe everyone in this country should have the same access to medical care. >>
Ok...now we are getting somewhere. Why though are we not all entitled to the same beach front home or snazzy Mercedes convertible? Why does the well off retiree with serious health problems get to enjoy all of his economic perks, while stiffing a 25 year old working man with the bill?
This upward redistribution of wealth, only serves to alienate the young healthy productive citizens that we have already saddled with $18,000,000,000,000 of debt.
<< <i>Our kids and grand kids are getting diabetes, hardening of the arteries, autism, depression, and other issues much earlier and with much higher frequency than our generation ever did.
Because Mom doesnt cook a home made meal and we let our kids sit in front of the TV playing video games.
Its not because "they" are poisoning us.
What has happened to this country whereby no one accepts personal responsibility? Lets just blame someone else, its easier that way. >>
They place chlorine in most municipal drinking water supplies. That is a toxin. It is a proven medical fact it causes hardening of the arteries, not to mention many other health issues.
Autism is linked back to the vaccines, no matter how much the mainstream media wants to spin it. The vaccines really attack the blood brain barrier of little boys more than little girls. You can look that study up.
I do agree that the tv, video games, and fast food are not helping matters either. Most people don't want to believe that studies have found the same substance that they make silly putty out of in those fast food chicken nuggets.
If someone places a toxin in your drink or food, are you not being poisoned?
<< <i>Our kids and grand kids are getting diabetes, hardening of the arteries, autism, depression, and other issues much earlier and with much higher frequency than our generation ever did.
Because Mom doesnt cook a home made meal and we let our kids sit in front of the TV playing video games.
Its not because "they" are poisoning us.
What has happened to this country whereby no one accepts personal responsibility? Lets just blame someone else, its easier that way. >>
They place chlorine in most municipal drinking water supplies. That is a toxin. It is a proven medical fact it causes hardening of the arteries, not to mention many other health issues.
Autism is linked back to the vaccines, no matter how much the mainstream media wants to spin it. The vaccines really attack the blood brain barrier of little boys more than little girls. You can look that study up.
I do agree that the tv, video games, and fast food are not helping matters either. Most people don't want to believe that studies have found the same substance that they make silly putty out of in those fast food chicken nuggets.
If someone places a toxin in your drink or food, are you not being poisoned? >>
Oh man, you really do subscribe to all the newsletters, don't you? You must be trolling me, because I actually need to respond with simple, easy to understand facts:
1. Vaccines are essential to warding off horrible diseases. They also do not cause autism. This is fact. Even if they did, the trade off of one kid with autism for 10,000 with measles is well worth it.
2. Every compound in this planet is toxic if you have too much of it. Many are beneficial to us in the correct dosages.
Are you really so country that you don't understand the above, stan?
Vaccinations are very neurotoxic and have been associated with many neurological disorders, like encephalopathies, epilepsy, convulsions, ADD, LD, autism, mental retardation, depression, anxiety, CNS disorders, paralysis, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, nerve deafness, blindness and SIDS. The neurological disorders associated with vaccinations are diverse and numerous. Vaccinations lower IQ as well as contribute to the overt mental disorders and neurological diseases listed here.
The relationship of vaccinations to encephalopathies and neurological diseases have been surfacing in medical journals since the advent of mass vaccination programs. Autism was unheard of before vaccinations, and parallel mass vaccination programs very nicely. ADD and learning disorders in children are now being traced to childhood vaccinations, as well as convulsions, paralysis, and epilepsy. Brain damage is by far the most common adverse reaction associated with vaccinations, although their actual numbers are not often reported correctly.
This list was generated from a variety of resources and is not, by any means, all inclusive.
The encephalopathies associated with vaccinations may range from overt neurological disease to high pitched crying (commonly seen after vaccination), which is not often recognized as brain damage. In other words, the child is just "reacting to the needle".
It is "normal" to be afraid of shots. But what they are missing is the diagnosis of overt neuropathy, encephalitis or brain dysfunction, because high pitched crying is not normal. Brain damage from vaccines is epidemic and yet, doctors are slow to diagnose neurological disorders (in US) when vaccinations are at stake but we see many citations linking changes (for the worse) after vaccinations are given.
Ted Koren, DC stated, "Dyslexia, minimal brain damage, ADD, autism, allergies, visual and many other neurologic diseases grouped together as "developmental disabilities," barely existed before mass vaccination programs. Probably twenty percent of American children-one youngster in five-suffers from a 'developmental disability.' This is a stupefying figure Developmental disabilities" are nearly always generated by encephalitis. And the primary cause of encephalitis in the United States and other industrialized countries is the childhood vaccination program.
To be specific, a large proportion of the millions of U.S. children and adults suffering from autism, seizures, mental retardation, hyperactivity, dyslexia, and other developmental disabilities, owe their disorders to one or another of the vaccines against childhood diseases." [Emphasis mine.]
Some 40-50 years ago children were not vaccinated until they were ready for the first grade at age 6. Neurological disorders were very uncommon then. Today, children are vaccinated at birth for HiB and begin their long vaccination-journey at 2 months of age, before the blood brain barrier is fully developed. A review of the medical literature around the world will turn up many articles linking vaccinations with many neurological disorders. Before the 1940s, autism was extremely rare or unheard of. Then in the mid-1940s we began a massive vaccination programs and autism was "born". At first, it only occurred in the children of wealthy parents, since vaccinations were not free or government sponsored like today. Later autism became a disease of all classes (with government-sponsored vaccine programs).
The psychiatrists had a hay-day with autism and at first they called it the "Refrigerator-Mother Syndrome". They said the mother had a "cold" heart causing the child to be autistic and withdrawn. Yet, studies did not support this theory, since many families had only one autistic child among several normal children. The point they missed was that it was the Doctor's cold needles that caused the problem, not the mother's cold heart.
"The strongest link was between measles virus antibodies and anti-MBP, suggesting that exposure to the measles virus may cause the immune systems of children with autism to attack myelin," Singh said. Children with autism produce anti-bodies against their own brain, making autism an auto-immune condition. "Singh compiled a nonscientific, anecdotal survey of 88 autistic children whose families have contacted him. Of those, 51 percent said symptoms of autism began shortly after the MMR vaccination, and 36 percent said the problems started days after the DPT shot." Anecdotal evidence over-whelmingly points to vaccines as causing autism. The connect between autism and vaccinations can not be denied.
The pertussis vaccine is very neurotoxic and is used in the laboratory to produce brain lesions in lab animals for study. But if our child develops brain problems after a DPT vaccination, our doctor will tell us it is coincidence or genetic. Vaccinations have been known to increase the demyelination, a process related to many neurologic diseases and MS is a demyelination disease. Myelin is designed to protect the outer coating of neurons, much like the plastic outer coating over an electrical wire. When this myelin is damaged, neurological disorders, such as, MS, paralysis, or ALS, will result. (Singh mentioned autism as a result of demyelination disorder.) The nerves are short-circuited and do not function normally.
The encephalitis form vaccinations is much more prevalent than we would like to realize, since all vaccines are neurotoxic to begin with. That one child develops encephalopathies from a vaccine and another remains "normal" is not the issue. All children are affected, but some are affected more than others. For example, if a child develops uncontrolled high pitched crying after a vaccine is given, that is written off as a normal reaction and is even listed in medical texts as such. But if that same child has a slower speech development, slower learning (which is so common today), or slower ability in walking, who would know. Unvaccinated children walk sooner, talk sooner, and have a high degree of manual dexterity at an earlier age.
Their minds are not assaulted by the neurotoxins that most "normal" children receive. Vaccinations cause the brain to swell and that is "encephalitis", regardless of diagnosis. During the period after vaccines are given children often lose their soft spot in their cranium, as the swelling increases. Why would one's brain swell after vaccines were given? The four points of infection are pain (dolor), redness (color), fever (rubor) and swelling (tumor). Infections of the brain might produce these same points too.
<< <i>1. Vaccines are essential to warding off horrible diseases. They also do not cause autism. This is fact. Even if they did, the trade off of one kid with autism for 10,000 with measles is well worth it. >>
One in 100 kids is now diagnosed with Autism, so your example is mathematically impossible.
From the Hippocratic oath is the admonishment ...."First do no harm". I suppose that is old school as it is ok to ruin one anonymous kids well being to prevent another from a few days discomfort from measles. Hoo boy.
<< <i>But I also believe everyone in this country should have the same access to medical care. >>
Ok...now we are getting somewhere. Why though are we not all entitled to the same beach front home or snazzy Mercedes convertible? Why does the well off retiree with serious health problems get to enjoy all of his economic perks, while stiffing a 25 year old working man with the bill?
This upward redistribution of wealth, only serves to alienate the young healthy productive citizens that we have already saddled with $18,000,000,000,000 of debt. >>
<< <i>1. Vaccines are essential to warding off horrible diseases. They also do not cause autism. This is fact. Even if they did, the trade off of one kid with autism for 10,000 with measles is well worth it. >>
One in 100 kids is now diagnosed with Autism, so your example is mathematically impossible.
From the Hippocratic oath is the admonishment ...."First do no harm". I suppose that is old school as it is ok to ruin one anonymous kids well being to prevent another from a few days discomfort from measles. Hoo boy. >>
what is with this place today? how in the word does the autism rate directly correlate with MMR shots just because it's diagnosed more now? MGLICKER, you know better. that's terrible false reasoning.
<< <i>But I also believe everyone in this country should have the same access to medical care. >>
Ok...now we are getting somewhere. Why though are we not all entitled to the same beach front home or snazzy Mercedes convertible? Why does the well off retiree with serious health problems get to enjoy all of his economic perks, while stiffing a 25 year old working man with the bill?
This upward redistribution of wealth, only serves to alienate the young healthy productive citizens that we have already saddled with $18,000,000,000,000 of debt. >>
Are you comparing human life to a mercedes? >>
Ok, make it a Chevy. Economic security is the bedrock of a viable and dare I say, pleasant life in America. We have so distorted the concept of taking care of the neighbor that we often suffer economically. If we are forced to share the cost of medical care which many of us do not value as you do, why do we not share everything? That will most likely be the case in this country if the pattern continues. Save of course for the oligarchs that are a bit more equal than the rest of us.
A report from the same ones who were caught on tape numerous times admitting they lied to the 'stupid' American people to get BO care passed through and forced onto us?
The report from Dr. Mercola on the dangers of vaccines I posted above is pretty self explanatory.
<< <i>I cannot fathom anyone finding the time to post on the PCGS forum on average 18 times a day - each and every day. >>
It is easy if you don't have a "real" job that contributes to society, live out in "nowheresville" as a result , have limited friends and no or few other worthwhile interests. A few here seem to have posting as a full time occupation....post every one or few hours or so every day, day in and day out. Man, I am glad I have a life I enjoy every day....and I am very happy with it and don't continuously rant about personally perceived injustices with over generalizations, contemp and envy. Life isn't fair or perfect, everyone knows that. Move on in life, get out and make some new friends, sign up for volunteer work....anything but waste your day ranting on and on here on a "precious metals" forum about what you consider social injustices.
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Cohodk, what do you see when you look around your town. Do you see healthy looking folks or as I do, instead see numerous obese, I mean grossly obese people? Do you see healthy looking retirees or old broken ladies with hunchbacks and thinning hair?
I believe that we live in quite different parts of the nation so I am really interested in the condition of our fellow citizens.
When the Commander in Chief addressed the nation prior to proposing the ACA, he chastised the working uninsured as "irresponsible".
He did not call the grossly overweight "irresponsible". He did not call alcoholics or cigarette smokers "irresponsible" just the folks that wanted to keep a bit of their hard earned income in their pockets, and spend it on health care as they saw fit.
<< <i>It is easy if you don't have a "real" job that contributes to society, live out in "nowheresville" as a result , have limited friends and no or few other worthwhile interests. >>
Mariner, your crystal ball is a bit blurred. My first real job was in 1972, 42 years ago. I worked in a restaurant after school and received a real paycheck with real taxes withdrawn. Never have spent more than a week unemployed since. Deal in a few rare coins now, but as the action has slowed, I have more time available.
nowhereville is Tucson Arizona with much time spent up at Summerhaven, on Mt Lemmon. Very sunny and warm today in Tucson. How is the weather where you are, in the workers paradise?
Several friends in town as well as my old town of Detroit. Probably should schedule a trip back soon!
Other worthwhile interests include bike riding, extensive reading, bowling and doing some scientific work with my University professor buddy.
This is how liberals change the narrative when they have soundly lost the debate. Change the subject rather than admit defeat.
I accept your surrender and will now enjoy the sunshine for the rest of the afternoon!!!
If it weren't for thalidomide or cyclamates, we wouldn't have an FDA. On the other hand, if we didn't have an FDA we wouldn't have high ranking health officials making decisions on organ transplants for 12 year old kids, making statements like, "someone's gotta live and someone's gotta die" - simply because FDA hasn't endorsed the decision to do the transplant when the indications for success were good.
To push the position that vaccines should be held harmless regardless of anectdotal evidence to the contrary and simply because the medical and drug establishment doesn't want to lose credibility certainly doesn't mean that money isn't a big influence in the non-endorsement. There's as big a revolving door between FDA and the large drug companies as there is between military contractors and the Defense Department.
But you know, the government and medical professions were both fine with thalidomide for fertility treatments - until they weren't. The government and soft drink industry were both fine with cyclamates - until they weren't. Of course, some of us aren't old enough to remember thalidomide or even cyclamates. And if you didn't live through it, it didn't happen. Is that what I'm hearing?
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<< <i>They never lie to us. We should question nothing they say and just be sheep.
There you go again. >>
That's right. If a person dares to have the courage to point out that we are being lied to and manipulated you are labeled a conspiracy theorist by people whom the system has already deceived in to believing their narrative. It doesn't bother me. I wear it like a badge of honor. I feel for the people who refuse to open their eyes and learn what is really going on behind the scenes. Sure, they can laugh and mock now. It's fun and doesn't take any courage to be a part of that group. >>
trololololol at it taking 'courage' to parrot fox news.
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<< <i>They never lie to us. We should question nothing they say and just be sheep.
There you go again. >>
That's right. If a person dares to have the courage to point out that we are being lied to and manipulated you are labeled a conspiracy theorist by people whom the system has already deceived in to believing their narrative. It doesn't bother me. I wear it like a badge of honor. I feel for the people who refuse to open their eyes and learn what is really going on behind the scenes. Sure, they can laugh and mock now. It's fun and doesn't take any courage to be a part of that group. >>
trololololol at it taking 'courage' to parrot fox news. >>
FYI, I can't stand FOX news no more than I can stand MSNBC or CNN..
<< <i><<That's right. If a person dares to have the courage to point out that we are being lied to and manipulated you are labeled a conspiracy theorist by people whom the system has already deceived in to believing their narrative. It doesn't bother me. I wear it like a badge of honor. I feel for the people who refuse to open their eyes and learn what is really going on behind the scenes. Sure, they can laugh and mock now. It's fun and doesn't take any courage to be a part of that group. >>
You continue to demonstrate zealotism. I and many others on here actually agree with many of your points, to a certain degree. Why do you feel the need to belittle us, ascribe to us the absolute opposite extremist ("totally brainwashed") characterization, and make yourself out to be some genius that has just come to these realizations, and we're either cretins or willfully ignorant (oblivious)?
Yes, gold is worth having, yes the financial system is flawed, yes the healthcare system is flawed, yes the political system is flawed, yes "they" manipulate us (or try to) and yes, some folks are more aware of this, more every day, and more and more folks are seeking to be objective about these issues and understand the underlying fundamentals.
However, the inflamatory language and the belittling of those engaging you in conversation, the mis-stating of others' positions, are not helping you "spread the good word" in fact, quite the contrary. >>
You and Grote and the ones mocking and belittling me and what I have to say. Did I reply in my defense? You bet! Unlike you guys, I actually post my opinions and back it with evidence. Evidence that you don't even take the time to research before you come guns a blazing with the typical 'conspiracy theory' nonsense.
<< <i>FYI, I can't stand FOX news no more than I can stand MSNBC or CNN.. >>
....as well here. Fox is dryer than 3 day old bread. Not the bread with a list of 30 preservatives and stabilizers, but real, home made stuff!
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<< <i>They never lie to us. We should question nothing they say and just be sheep.
There you go again. >>
That's right. If a person dares to have the courage to point out that we are being lied to and manipulated you are labeled a conspiracy theorist by people whom the system has already deceived in to believing their narrative. It doesn't bother me. I wear it like a badge of honor. I feel for the people who refuse to open their eyes and learn what is really going on behind the scenes. Sure, they can laugh and mock now. It's fun and doesn't take any courage to be a part of that group. >>
trololololol at it taking 'courage' to parrot fox news. >>
FYI, I can't stand FOX news no more than I can stand MSNBC or CNN.. >>
fine, then we can substitute the racist, incel carcass of what's left of ZeroHedge then. Listen to Baley, stan. I agree with him, i just don't have the patience to play nice.
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There you go again. >>
That's right. If a person dares to have the courage to point out that we are being lied to and manipulated you are labeled a conspiracy theorist by people whom the system has already deceived in to believing their narrative. It doesn't bother me. I wear it like a badge of honor. I feel for the people who refuse to open their eyes and learn what is really going on behind the scenes. Sure, they can laugh and mock now. It's fun and doesn't take any courage to be a part of that group. >>
Really a continuation of the cradle to grave, nanny state deception. We have gone from a nation of hale and hearty farmers, inhaling fresh air and exercising our bodies, to cubicle drones, in a mere century. Independent thought is discouraged for 45 hours a week and the Stockholm reflex continues on to the grocery store and then the medical office and pharmacy.
Witnessing my third acquaintance succumb to Cancer over the last 24 months. 2 are gone, one is not far. Only constant is the medicine has failed and the docs have gotten wealthy off the suffering. >>
I am truly sorry for your losses. The cancer rate is getting really bad, and all everyone in the mainstream media wants to do is 'Race For The Cure', instead of finding out what is causing it, and why the cancer rates have literally exploded over the last couple of decades. Like you stated, they sure make their money off of raising millions to treat sick people, but that's all that is happening because it's a profit driven agenda. Proof being, they totally ignore the poisons being placed in our food and water that are actually causing these cancers. If the country took on that issue, like they do the 'Race For The Cure' propaganda that is being sold to us, we might be able to greatly reduce the cancer rates in the US.
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<< <i>We're an over-medicated society, and the goal of drug companies and a compliant and harried medical establishment is ultimately to have some drug coursing through every individuals's bloodstream
Yes we are, but not for that reason. Look at ourselves--we all want to live longer and will gladly take medications to achieve that goal. Why do you always see conspiracy in personal action and responsibility? >>
No, it's exactly for the reasons I detailed and backed with links to medical research. There is no conspiracy in posting what has been proven effects from taking these rx poisons. They push them 24/7 on tv. If you don't believe me, watch television and count how many times they air pharma commercials over the course of a day. It's really bad when watching mainstream news like FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc.. If you look who is behind these companies, you can see who buys/controls your mainstream news. >>
I see those commercials all the time but I am not pushed into anything. If your doctor says you need to take XYZ pill or you will suffer diminished life experiences will you say NO? Of course not, but it is your choice to take the pill.
Who are the demographics that watch the nightly news---20 somethings or 60 somethings? Who has more health concerns? Its called marketing. No conspiracy. No manipulation.
Why dont I see drug ads on my Kids' cartoon channels? You would think the drug companies would be trying to recruit new "sheeple", whouldnt you?
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<< <i> If your doctor says you need to take XYZ pill or you will suffer diminished life experiences will you say NO? >>
Many do. The cholesterol lowering drugs are worthless and have severe negative side effects. The kickback vacations awarded to the prescribers though, are nice!
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Yes we are, but not for that reason. Look at ourselves--we all want to live longer and will gladly take medications to achieve that goal. Why do you always see conspiracy in personal action and responsibility? >>
No, it's exactly for the reasons I detailed and backed with links to medical research. There is no conspiracy in posting what has been proven effects from taking these rx poisons. They push them 24/7 on tv. If you don't believe me, watch television and count how many times they air pharma commercials over the course of a day. It's really bad when watching mainstream news like FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc.. If you look who is behind these companies, you can see who buys/controls your mainstream news. >>
I see those commercials all the time but I am not pushed into anything. If your doctor says you need to take XYZ pill or you will suffer diminished life experiences will you say NO? Of course not, but it is your choice to take the pill.
Who are the demographics that watch the nightly news---20 somethings or 60 somethings? Who has more health concerns? Its called marketing. No conspiracy. No manipulation.
Why dont I see drug ads on my Kids' cartoon channels? You would think the drug companies would be trying to recruit new "sheeple", whouldnt you?
You missed my point. The point is that they push their drugs that have proven dangerous side effects onto people. Many whom are uniformed of just how dangerous these drugs actually are. All they do is trust whatever the pill pusher at the doctor's office tell them to take. Often, at their own peril, while Big Pharma makes huge profits.
And why would they need to push Big Pharma on cartoon channels when they have many uninformed parents already allowing their kids to be placed on these SSRIs?
Humans, and all living organisms, have a built in self destruct mechanisms which are largely based on time--as we get older, we get sicker. I hope this isnt news to you.
So while you contend that GMOs, pills, environment, ect are leading to increases in disease, I would argue that disease is more prevalent because we are getting old, thus more self destruct mechanisms come into play. Humans are not supposed to live forever. However, if we wish to play God, then we had better be prepared to go all in and see the game to fruition. Im not a very religious person, and im a foolish idiot, but I am quite certain this is a game will will/would lose.
Rates of disease for not increasing but the ability of diagnosis has greatly increased. This coupled with an aging population will make the data appear that way. More people die of cancer today because there are more people. More people die of cancer today because they are not dying earlier in age due to common viruses (influenza, polio, ect), work related accidents (farming, mining, forestry, railroad building), complications from childbirth, exposure to the elements.....
You can believe the big corporations and government are out to poison and control us all, or you can believe in something more simple, logical and realistic. I choose the latter.
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Many do. The cholesterol lowering drugs are worthless and have severe negative side effects. The kickback vacations awarded to the prescribers though, are nice! >>
Cholesterol lowing drugs? There isn't even good scientific evidence that cholesterol is the bogeyman in heart disease considering that over half the people that end up with HD, have normal cholesterol.
But that's not the spin coming out mainstream medical and media. It's pretty clear what some of the root causes are of HD and cancer. It's just that there's no money to be made by eliminating those root causes. The
money is in the prescription meds. Big Pharma doesn't like the idea of J6P treating himself via a healthy diet and natural vitamins and supplements. There is a push underway to try and regulate supplements so that they
can become prescribed meds. This will be done under the blanket of trying to protect the public from all the "bad" supplements out there that are potentially harming them. Follow the money to the next set of regulations.
Humans, and all living organisms, have a built in self destruct mechanisms which are largely based on time--as we get older, we get sicker. I hope this isn't news to you.
Our kids and grand kids are getting diabetes, hardening of the arteries, autism, depression, and other issues much earlier and with much higher frequency than our generation ever did. It's a lot more than just over-diagnosis,
though I'd admit there's certainly much of that out there. Our kids are over-vaccinated, over-medicated, over-hormoned, over-toxined, over-fed with junk, and under-exercised. We can do something about the last 2. The
first 4 items are much more difficult. While they won't see the Big Pharma commercials at ages 1-8, they will see them in their teens which is plenty of time to help indoctrinate them for later in life. Us old farts didn't get to
see them in our teens and twenties so it's too late to indoctrinate us. But we did see the cigarette and beer commercials (and movies) which did indoctrinate us to those habits, some of us before we were teens.
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"Your threat and the nasty nature of your post didn't intimidate me. I prefer to keep it civil, but it's up to you."
That threat to listen to Baly must have really rubbed raw. I hereby declare this to be the 'StanTheMan has Officially Gone Off the Rails and Is Gonna Get Banhammered' thread.
<< <i>You can believe the big corporations and government are out to poison and control us all, or you can believe in something more simple, logical and realistic. I choose the latter. >>
Problem is that head in the sand voters have decided that we should all participate in this reprehensible and dangerous program, at least financially.
money is in the prescription meds. Big Pharma doesn't like the idea of J6P treating himself via a healthy diet and natural vitamins and supplements
There is money to be made because WE want to live longer and it is easier to take a pill then exercise and prepare our own food.
When I was a broker my manager told me, "If a man wants to buy a blue suit then you sell him a blue suit". Drug companies sell drugs because we want to live forever.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
<< <i>The cancer rate is getting really bad, and all everyone in the mainstream media wants to do is 'Race For The Cure', instead of finding out what is causing it, and why the cancer rates have literally exploded over the last couple of decades
Humans, and all living organisms, have a built in self destruct mechanisms which are largely based on time--as we get older, we get sicker. I hope this isnt news to you.
So while you contend that GMOs, pills, environment, ect are leading to increases in disease, I would argue that disease is more prevalent because we are getting old, thus more self destruct mechanisms come into play. Humans are not supposed to live forever. However, if we wish to play God, then we had better be prepared to go all in and see the game to fruition. Im not a very religious person, and im a foolish idiot, but I am quite certain this is a game will will/would lose.
Rates of disease for not increasing but the ability of diagnosis has greatly increased. This coupled with an aging population will make the data appear that way. More people die of cancer today because there are more people. More people die of cancer today because they are not dying earlier in age due to common viruses (influenza, polio, ect), work related accidents (farming, mining, forestry, railroad building), complications from childbirth, exposure to the elements.....
You can believe the big corporations and government are out to poison and control us all, or you can believe in something more simple, logical and realistic. I choose the latter. >>
Your theory is flawed because the rates of all types of cancers are exploding in every age category. Not just older people.
You make excuses after excuses while ignoring facts that they are placing poisons in the food and water. For example, fluoride is a toxin that they mandate to be placed in our drinking water. On the other hand, if you or I dump fluoride, the EPA comes after us because it is a toxin. Yet, they mandate it in the drinking water? Nah, that's not poisoning us...
You look at the proven fact that GMOs have caused obesity, tumors, and hair to grow out of the mouth of lab animals they were tested on, yet, the big corporations like Monsanto are allowed to feed it to us. You look at things like high fructose corn syrup that they allow to be placed in tons of products that is proven to cause diabetes, weight gain, etc... What about the aspartame poison they are replacing sugar with in many gums and candies these days? Nah, none of that means anything. Instead, let's, be 'simple', 'logical', and 'realistic', while ignoring the facts.
<< <i>There is money to be made because WE want to live longer and it is easier to take a pill then exercise and prepare our own food. >>
But again, Cohodk, why jam the cost down the throats of those that do not want to participate?
<< <i>hahahaha. this just in my pm box from our buddy stan:
"Your threat and the nasty nature of your post didn't intimidate me. I prefer to keep it civil, but it's up to you."
That threat to listen to Baly must have really rubbed raw. I hereby declare this to be the 'StanTheMan has Officially Gone Off the Rails and Is Gonna Get Banhammered' thread. >>
You posted that you did not play nice. You were trying to act tough on me, trying to tell me what to do so you didn't have to 'get tough' so to speak. In return, I pmed you and stated that you did not intimidate me and that I preferred to keep it civil. I meant what I said. I still do. I have been on here since 2007, so I don't see why you think my debating these issues is a gone off the rails moment. It looks like you are more interested in stirring the pot than debating the substance of these issues. Maybe you are the one who needs "banhammered".
<< <i>There is money to be made because WE want to live longer and it is easier to take a pill then exercise and prepare our own food.
When I was a broker my manager told me, "If a man wants to buy a blue suit then you sell him a blue suit". Drug companies sell drugs because we want to live forever. >>
There's no drugs to sell to J6P if he's already healthy and has normal blood level parameters (ie normal BP, normal cholesterol, normal weight and body fat, no signs of disease, etc.). Those Joe's are getting harder to find.
Kids aren't concerned about living forever. And I doubt twenty or thirty somethings are either. But they get prescribed meds nonetheless because some "parameter" is not perfect. I've never even considered taking meds to make myself live forever, and I suspect most people don't either. My goal is be healthy today. Whatever age I'm going to live to is unknown to me. The thought of living forever never occurred to me. I just want to be vital and healthy to whatever age I live to. I think most of the meds people take are to cover up symptoms that bother them. The rest are prescribed by their doctor because some number is not just "right." And that "right" number often proves to be wrong. If they really wanted to live forever, they'd find some motivation to revamp their diet and lifestyle and get off the harmful meds. The 20% of women that take anti-depressants aren't doing it to live forever. And those taking cholesterol lowering drugs aren't doing it to live forever either. Their doctor's said, "take this." If anything, the negative effects of those meds is probably more harmful than elevated cholesterol.
The medical community went off on a cholesterol tangent 40 years ago and has been slow to change course. Other factors like homocysteine, CRP, ADMA, etc. have shown to be strong markers of future heart disease/stroke...probably more conclusive than cholesterol. Current evidence supports ignoring LDL altogether. No medical studies as of 2010 have shown any mortality benefit for woman taking statins. Studies on middle-aged men taking cholesterol lowering drugs to reduce cardiac events have also shown no decrease in overall mortality. So why take them? The first generation of statin drugs killed people. Those were eventually taken off the market. The panels recommending statins tend to be the same people benefiting financially from those recommendations ....Daniels 2010. .
The real problem is that most people don't have all the facts and therefore can't make the right choices. It takes a lot of effort to get to the real facts.
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<< <i>hahahaha. this just in my pm box from our buddy stan:
"Your threat and the nasty nature of your post didn't intimidate me. I prefer to keep it civil, but it's up to you."
That threat to listen to Baly must have really rubbed raw. I hereby declare this to be the 'StanTheMan has Officially Gone Off the Rails and Is Gonna Get Banhammered' thread. >>
You posted that you did not play nice. You were trying to act tough on me, trying to tell me what to do so you didn't have to 'get tough' so to speak. In return, I pmed you and stated that you did not intimidate me and that I preferred to keep it civil. I meant what I said. I still do. I have been on here since 2007, so I don't see why you think my debating these issues is a gone off the rails moment. It looks like you are more interested in stirring the pot than debating the substance of these issues. Maybe you are the one who needs "banhammered". >>
We're gonna git you, Stan. all of us.
Sincerely,
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<< <i>hahahaha. this just in my pm box from our buddy stan:
"Your threat and the nasty nature of your post didn't intimidate me. I prefer to keep it civil, but it's up to you."
That threat to listen to Baly must have really rubbed raw. I hereby declare this to be the 'StanTheMan has Officially Gone Off the Rails and Is Gonna Get Banhammered' thread. >>
You posted that you did not play nice. You were trying to act tough on me, trying to tell me what to do so you didn't have to 'get tough' so to speak. In return, I pmed you and stated that you did not intimidate me and that I preferred to keep it civil. I meant what I said. I still do. I have been on here since 2007, so I don't see why you think my debating these issues is a gone off the rails moment. It looks like you are more interested in stirring the pot than debating the substance of these issues. Maybe you are the one who needs "banhammered". >>
We're gonna git you, Stan. all of us.
Sincerely,
They >>
Like I said, your actions proves you are more interested in stirring the pot than having a debate on the substance of the issues. I will not reply to anymore of your trolling.
One benefit of having no insurance I have lucked into is I've never been on any medication. Other than antibiotics now and then for a tooth abcess or sinus infection.
At 47 I don't take any BP , cholesterol or any other daily meds.
I think I'm doing okay considering my father died from a massive heart attack at 46
He was poisoned to death himself. Chiefly by 2 packs of smokes and lots of alcohol so I'm not going to blame the government for that.
For all the chemicals we ingest I think personal stupidity overshadows the effects of them for most.
<< <i>Chiefly by 2 packs of smokes and lots of alcohol so I'm not going to blame the government for that. >>
Many of course do blame the government and the tobacco companies. What part of inhaling raw smoke would seem to indicate that it just might be harmful to ones lungs. Could it be the incessant coughing? Never stopped this nation of victims from cashing in.
Both of my parents were heavy smokers and both suffered the consequences of their actions.
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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MJ >>
Thank you for participating. I don't recall ever starting a religious thread.
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<< <i>There is money to be made because WE want to live longer and it is easier to take a pill then exercise and prepare our own food. >>
But again, Cohodk, why jam the cost down the throats of those that do not want to participate? >>
Well, I agree. But I also believe everyone in this country should have the same access to medical care. If we would allow(mandate) lower costs then the burden would be a lot less. But, we, through our employers, allow costs to rise every year. Why does a drug cost $80,000 in the US and $800 in Egypt? Because we will pay it. If we refuse these higher costs then prices will drop. But since we all want to live forever, we will gladly pay any price.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
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<< <i>Chiefly by 2 packs of smokes and lots of alcohol so I'm not going to blame the government for that. >>
Many of course do blame the government and the tobacco companies. What part of inhaling raw smoke would seem to indicate that it just might be harmful to ones lungs. Could it be the incessant coughing? Never stopped this nation of victims from cashing in.
Both of my parents were heavy smokers and both suffered the consequences of their actions. >>
For people of that generation, smoking was promoted as a healthy method to curb appetite, lose weight or to get an energy boost.
And if you think the media brainwashes the population now, television and advertisers had even more influence on behavior back then.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Because Mom doesnt cook a home made meal and we let our kids sit in front of the TV playing video games.
Its not because "they" are poisoning us.
What has happened to this country whereby no one accepts personal responsibility? Lets just blame someone else, its easier that way.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
<< <i>But I also believe everyone in this country should have the same access to medical care. >>
Ok...now we are getting somewhere. Why though are we not all entitled to the same beach front home or snazzy Mercedes convertible? Why does the well off retiree with serious health problems get to enjoy all of his economic perks, while stiffing a 25 year old working man with the bill?
This upward redistribution of wealth, only serves to alienate the young healthy productive citizens that we have already saddled with $18,000,000,000,000 of debt.
<< <i>Our kids and grand kids are getting diabetes, hardening of the arteries, autism, depression, and other issues much earlier and with much higher frequency than our generation ever did.
Because Mom doesnt cook a home made meal and we let our kids sit in front of the TV playing video games.
Its not because "they" are poisoning us.
What has happened to this country whereby no one accepts personal responsibility? Lets just blame someone else, its easier that way. >>
They place chlorine in most municipal drinking water supplies. That is a toxin. It is a proven medical fact it causes hardening of the arteries, not to mention many other health issues.
Autism is linked back to the vaccines, no matter how much the mainstream media wants to spin it. The vaccines really attack the blood brain barrier of little boys more than little girls. You can look that study up.
I do agree that the tv, video games, and fast food are not helping matters either. Most people don't want to believe that studies have found the same substance that they make silly putty out of in those fast food chicken nuggets.
If someone places a toxin in your drink or food, are you not being poisoned?
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<< <i>Our kids and grand kids are getting diabetes, hardening of the arteries, autism, depression, and other issues much earlier and with much higher frequency than our generation ever did.
Because Mom doesnt cook a home made meal and we let our kids sit in front of the TV playing video games.
Its not because "they" are poisoning us.
What has happened to this country whereby no one accepts personal responsibility? Lets just blame someone else, its easier that way. >>
They place chlorine in most municipal drinking water supplies. That is a toxin. It is a proven medical fact it causes hardening of the arteries, not to mention many other health issues.
Autism is linked back to the vaccines, no matter how much the mainstream media wants to spin it. The vaccines really attack the blood brain barrier of little boys more than little girls. You can look that study up.
I do agree that the tv, video games, and fast food are not helping matters either. Most people don't want to believe that studies have found the same substance that they make silly putty out of in those fast food chicken nuggets.
If someone places a toxin in your drink or food, are you not being poisoned? >>
Oh man, you really do subscribe to all the newsletters, don't you? You must be trolling me, because I actually need to respond with simple, easy to understand facts:
1. Vaccines are essential to warding off horrible diseases. They also do not cause autism. This is fact. Even if they did, the trade off of one kid with autism for 10,000 with measles is well worth it.
2. Every compound in this planet is toxic if you have too much of it. Many are beneficial to us in the correct dosages.
Are you really so country that you don't understand the above, stan?
The relationship of vaccinations to encephalopathies and neurological diseases have been surfacing in medical journals since the advent of mass vaccination programs. Autism was unheard of before vaccinations, and parallel mass vaccination programs very nicely. ADD and learning disorders in children are now being traced to childhood vaccinations, as well as convulsions, paralysis, and epilepsy. Brain damage is by far the most common adverse reaction associated with vaccinations, although their actual numbers are not often reported correctly.
List of Vaccination-induced Neurological disorders:
•Encephalitis
•Ataxia/Apraxia
•Retardation
•Meningitis Paralysis
•Paralytis polio
•Ms Gullain Barre Syndrome
•Lupus
•Hyperactivity - ADD, LD
•Demyelinization diseases
•Auto-immune Diseases Epilepsy
•Convulsions - Seizures
•Blindness
•Deafness
•SIDS
•Epilepsy
•Mental confusion - lowered IQ
•Brain tumors (SV-40)
This list was generated from a variety of resources and is not, by any means, all inclusive.
The encephalopathies associated with vaccinations may range from overt neurological disease to high pitched crying (commonly seen after vaccination), which is not often recognized as brain damage. In other words, the child is just "reacting to the needle".
It is "normal" to be afraid of shots. But what they are missing is the diagnosis of overt neuropathy, encephalitis or brain dysfunction, because high pitched crying is not normal. Brain damage from vaccines is epidemic and yet, doctors are slow to diagnose neurological disorders (in US) when vaccinations are at stake but we see many citations linking changes (for the worse) after vaccinations are given.
Ted Koren, DC stated, "Dyslexia, minimal brain damage, ADD, autism, allergies, visual and many other neurologic diseases grouped together as "developmental disabilities," barely existed before mass vaccination programs. Probably twenty percent of American children-one youngster in five-suffers from a 'developmental disability.' This is a stupefying figure Developmental disabilities" are nearly always generated by encephalitis. And the primary cause of encephalitis in the United States and other industrialized countries is the childhood vaccination program.
To be specific, a large proportion of the millions of U.S. children and adults suffering from autism, seizures, mental retardation, hyperactivity, dyslexia, and other developmental disabilities, owe their disorders to one or another of the vaccines against childhood diseases." [Emphasis mine.]
Some 40-50 years ago children were not vaccinated until they were ready for the first grade at age 6. Neurological disorders were very uncommon then. Today, children are vaccinated at birth for HiB and begin their long vaccination-journey at 2 months of age, before the blood brain barrier is fully developed. A review of the medical literature around the world will turn up many articles linking vaccinations with many neurological disorders. Before the 1940s, autism was extremely rare or unheard of. Then in the mid-1940s we began a massive vaccination programs and autism was "born". At first, it only occurred in the children of wealthy parents, since vaccinations were not free or government sponsored like today. Later autism became a disease of all classes (with government-sponsored vaccine programs).
The psychiatrists had a hay-day with autism and at first they called it the "Refrigerator-Mother Syndrome". They said the mother had a "cold" heart causing the child to be autistic and withdrawn. Yet, studies did not support this theory, since many families had only one autistic child among several normal children. The point they missed was that it was the Doctor's cold needles that caused the problem, not the mother's cold heart.
"The strongest link was between measles virus antibodies and anti-MBP, suggesting that exposure to the measles virus may cause the immune systems of children with autism to attack myelin," Singh said. Children with autism produce anti-bodies against their own brain, making autism an auto-immune condition. "Singh compiled a nonscientific, anecdotal survey of 88 autistic children whose families have contacted him. Of those, 51 percent said symptoms of autism began shortly after the MMR vaccination, and 36 percent said the problems started days after the DPT shot." Anecdotal evidence over-whelmingly points to vaccines as causing autism. The connect between autism and vaccinations can not be denied.
The pertussis vaccine is very neurotoxic and is used in the laboratory to produce brain lesions in lab animals for study. But if our child develops brain problems after a DPT vaccination, our doctor will tell us it is coincidence or genetic. Vaccinations have been known to increase the demyelination, a process related to many neurologic diseases and MS is a demyelination disease. Myelin is designed to protect the outer coating of neurons, much like the plastic outer coating over an electrical wire. When this myelin is damaged, neurological disorders, such as, MS, paralysis, or ALS, will result. (Singh mentioned autism as a result of demyelination disorder.) The nerves are short-circuited and do not function normally.
The encephalitis form vaccinations is much more prevalent than we would like to realize, since all vaccines are neurotoxic to begin with. That one child develops encephalopathies from a vaccine and another remains "normal" is not the issue. All children are affected, but some are affected more than others. For example, if a child develops uncontrolled high pitched crying after a vaccine is given, that is written off as a normal reaction and is even listed in medical texts as such. But if that same child has a slower speech development, slower learning (which is so common today), or slower ability in walking, who would know. Unvaccinated children walk sooner, talk sooner, and have a high degree of manual dexterity at an earlier age.
Their minds are not assaulted by the neurotoxins that most "normal" children receive. Vaccinations cause the brain to swell and that is "encephalitis", regardless of diagnosis. During the period after vaccines are given children often lose their soft spot in their cranium, as the swelling increases. Why would one's brain swell after vaccines were given? The four points of infection are pain (dolor), redness (color), fever (rubor) and swelling (tumor). Infections of the brain might produce these same points too.
Listen to Dr. Mercola about vaccines
<< <i>1. Vaccines are essential to warding off horrible diseases. They also do not cause autism. This is fact. Even if they did, the trade off of one kid with autism for 10,000 with measles is well worth it. >>
One in 100 kids is now diagnosed with Autism, so your example is mathematically impossible.
From the Hippocratic oath is the admonishment ...."First do no harm". I suppose that is old school as it is ok to ruin one anonymous kids well being to prevent another from a few days discomfort from measles. Hoo boy.
You are an old fool. I am done.
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<< <i>But I also believe everyone in this country should have the same access to medical care. >>
Ok...now we are getting somewhere. Why though are we not all entitled to the same beach front home or snazzy Mercedes convertible? Why does the well off retiree with serious health problems get to enjoy all of his economic perks, while stiffing a 25 year old working man with the bill?
This upward redistribution of wealth, only serves to alienate the young healthy productive citizens that we have already saddled with $18,000,000,000,000 of debt. >>
Are you comparing human life to a mercedes?
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
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<< <i>1. Vaccines are essential to warding off horrible diseases. They also do not cause autism. This is fact. Even if they did, the trade off of one kid with autism for 10,000 with measles is well worth it. >>
One in 100 kids is now diagnosed with Autism, so your example is mathematically impossible.
From the Hippocratic oath is the admonishment ...."First do no harm". I suppose that is old school as it is ok to ruin one anonymous kids well being to prevent another from a few days discomfort from measles. Hoo boy. >>
what is with this place today? how in the word does the autism rate directly correlate with MMR shots just because it's diagnosed more now? MGLICKER, you know better. that's terrible false reasoning.
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<< <i>But I also believe everyone in this country should have the same access to medical care. >>
Ok...now we are getting somewhere. Why though are we not all entitled to the same beach front home or snazzy Mercedes convertible? Why does the well off retiree with serious health problems get to enjoy all of his economic perks, while stiffing a 25 year old working man with the bill?
This upward redistribution of wealth, only serves to alienate the young healthy productive citizens that we have already saddled with $18,000,000,000,000 of debt. >>
Are you comparing human life to a mercedes? >>
Ok, make it a Chevy. Economic security is the bedrock of a viable and dare I say, pleasant life in America. We have so distorted the concept of taking care of the neighbor that we often suffer economically. If we are forced to share the cost of medical care which many of us do not value as you do, why do we not share everything? That will most likely be the case in this country if the pattern continues. Save of course for the oligarchs that are a bit more equal than the rest of us.
Here is a nice little graph that might help to clarify your rates vs incidence dilema
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<< <i>Stan, maybe you are right. We should stop all vaccinations. Then people will not live as long and that will save us lots of money.
Here is a nice little graph that might help to clarify your rates vs incidence dilema >>
A report from the same ones who were caught on tape numerous times admitting they lied to the 'stupid' American people to get BO care passed through and forced onto us?
The report from Dr. Mercola on the dangers of vaccines I posted above is pretty self explanatory.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
<< <i>I cannot fathom anyone finding the time to post on the PCGS forum on average 18 times a day - each and every day. >>
It is easy if you don't have a "real" job that contributes to society, live out in "nowheresville" as a result , have limited friends and no or few other worthwhile interests.
A few here seem to have posting as a full time occupation....post every one or few hours or so every day, day in and day out.
Man, I am glad I have a life I enjoy every day....and I am very happy with it and don't continuously rant about personally perceived injustices with over generalizations, contemp and envy.
Life isn't fair or perfect, everyone knows that.
Move on in life, get out and make some new friends, sign up for volunteer work....anything but waste your day ranting on and on here on a "precious metals" forum about what you consider social injustices.
<< <i>I feel sorry for Stan Musial's family.
Cohodk, what do you see when you look around your town. Do you see healthy looking folks or as I do, instead see numerous obese, I mean grossly obese people? Do you see healthy looking retirees or old broken ladies with hunchbacks and thinning hair?
I believe that we live in quite different parts of the nation so I am really interested in the condition of our fellow citizens.
When the Commander in Chief addressed the nation prior to proposing the ACA, he chastised the working uninsured as "irresponsible".
He did not call the grossly overweight "irresponsible". He did not call alcoholics or cigarette smokers "irresponsible" just the folks that wanted to keep a bit of their hard earned income in their pockets, and spend it on health care as they saw fit.
<< <i>It is easy if you don't have a "real" job that contributes to society, live out in "nowheresville" as a result , have limited friends and no or few other worthwhile interests. >>
Mariner, your crystal ball is a bit blurred. My first real job was in 1972, 42 years ago. I worked in a restaurant after school and received a real paycheck with real taxes withdrawn. Never have spent more than a week unemployed since. Deal in a few rare coins now, but as the action has slowed, I have more time available.
nowhereville is Tucson Arizona with much time spent up at Summerhaven, on Mt Lemmon. Very sunny and warm today in Tucson. How is the weather where you are, in the workers paradise?
Several friends in town as well as my old town of Detroit. Probably should schedule a trip back soon!
Other worthwhile interests include bike riding, extensive reading, bowling and doing some scientific work with my University professor buddy.
This is how liberals change the narrative when they have soundly lost the debate. Change the subject rather than admit defeat.
I accept your surrender and will now enjoy the sunshine for the rest of the afternoon!!!
Aahhh...since you asked...it is 79F and here is the view. We should both be happy!
<< <i>Aahhh...since you asked...it is 79F and here is the view. We should both be happy! >>
To push the position that vaccines should be held harmless regardless of anectdotal evidence to the contrary and simply because the medical and drug establishment doesn't want to lose credibility certainly doesn't mean that money isn't a big influence in the non-endorsement. There's as big a revolving door between FDA and the large drug companies as there is between military contractors and the Defense Department.
But you know, the government and medical professions were both fine with thalidomide for fertility treatments - until they weren't. The government and soft drink industry were both fine with cyclamates - until they weren't. Of course, some of us aren't old enough to remember thalidomide or even cyclamates. And if you didn't live through it, it didn't happen. Is that what I'm hearing?
I knew it would happen.
I knew it would happen.
Hard to believe, in this day and time that anyone actually thinks a vaccination for diseases like Polio should not be used. It strains credulity