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I got these 2 Buffs back from grading. Ya wanna try and and guess how they turned out? Grades revea

crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,805 ✭✭✭✭✭
I just received these 2 Buffs back from pcgs for grading. The 26-d I know for sure I posted when I purchased it, not sure about the 13-s type 2. This type 2 has some serious cashing on both obverse and reverse and the color I find attractive along with better than average luster. So, here they are again, but now they've been graded. Ya wanna take a stab at the grades?
Thanks for looking, Joe

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    BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭
    MS63
    MS64
    image
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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS63
    AU58
    image


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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    1926....ms60...might be a ms61 "IF" bumped for luster
    if this was in a typical "out of focus ebay image"...i'd be guessing it to be a f/vf
    nice 3 half feathers as i don't see a single feather that qualifies as one...image

    1913...ms62

    very tricky ones to even guess a grade on

    are you on a strike from "strike"
    as that other 16-d gtg thread has me worried ol crazyhounddog...image

    buffalo nickels do look sweet in "fully struck condition" too just so ya know...image


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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    53
    60
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    deltadimemandeltadimeman Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭
    63
    62
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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ms61 and ms62
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Au & MS61 .....Cheers, RickO
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    mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭
    53 and 58
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,687 ✭✭✭✭✭
    26-D 62, 13-S 63.
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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The first one is very hard to grade from an image. Strike is undoubtedly abysmal here, but even considering that, the only visible luster is in protected areas. I'm guessing AU, but that's just a WAG. With this image, anything from XF to MS63 is possible. In-hand it would be much easier to tell.

    The second one looks MS62ish to me.
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    icsoccericsoccer Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭
    Great pair for GTG.
    26- 62
    13 - 64 I admit I like this one a lot….
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    62

    64


    I like the 13-s as well. If not for the odd striking issues on "liberty," the date, and other areas it's close to gem.

    The 26-d is a good exercise in how an unc coin can look VF. Reminds me of 1903-0 Barber halves.
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    OldEastsideOldEastside Posts: 4,602 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>MS63
    MS64
    image >>



    My first thought

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    BodinBodin Posts: 996 ✭✭✭
    AU55
    MS65
    .......noticing lots of different guessed grades
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    I'll say both are MS63
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    62 & 64 and both. Very nice
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1st one is imageimage
    2nd one is only image

    they look a lot better on the big screen instead of the phone.

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,805 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>1st one is imageimage
    2nd one is only image

    they look a lot better on the big screen instead of the phone. >>



    Your going to have to do better than this!!! Not understood, does not compute.image
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,604 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63, 64+
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've narrowed it down to MS snd MS

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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    45 / 55

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    << <i>63, 64+ >>



    This guess wouldnt shock me
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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>62

    64


    I like the 13-s as well. If not for the odd striking issues on "liberty," the date, and other areas it's close to gem.

    The 26-d is a good exercise in how an unc coin can look VF. Reminds me of 1903-0 Barber halves. >>



    +1

    Tom

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    TallGuyTallGuy Posts: 122 ✭✭
    62/58
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    BigDaddyzBigDaddyz Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    F
    AU55
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,805 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So far only one guy got it right. I'll post the grades here in a bit after I image the slabs.
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    40
    62
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    OnWithTheHuntOnWithTheHunt Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The 26-d is a good exercise in how an unc coin can look VF. >>


    Well said. Usually love your Buffs, Joe, but the weak strike on this one doesn't appeal. Maybe a 62.
    On the other hand, I'd take the 13-S in a heartbeat. Really like the toning. Appears to have some wear on the hip. I'd give it a 58
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    rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1926-D F12 DETAILS, Net MS63 image

    I don't know how anyone can even grade 1926-D Buffaloes sometimes. The Denver mint wasn't trying hard enough when they struck these.
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "26-D-61; 13-S-58.
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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Problem with the '26-D isn't as much of a weak strike as it is with a worn out die.
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the 1913-s graded out AU can I buy it for AU "ask?" image

    I wasn't aware of how little the price spread is on this date from XF40 to MS62. From AU50 to AU58 there's almost no difference....therefore, eye appeal would play a big role in separating those.
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    I guess I'm a disenchanted newbie to coin collecting. I thought coins were graded on a scale of 1-70 based on details. I didn't know they were graded on a curve based on strike. I guess we don't want to offend the weak strikes. I call them how I see them. I call a spade a spade. I'm glad I collect mostly raw coins and I think this makes me want to stay away from the graded coins that much more. I cant believe they would grade a coin ms 63 in the link below and throw out a coin that may or may not have been cleaned. I would be much happier with a verification service to make sure the coins are genuine than someones opinion of what a coin grades.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1926-D-Buffalo-Indian-Head-Nickel-NGC-MS63-Q2445-/361112688447?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item5413fe573f[/L]

    This coin has no face, no front feet and no tail (on reverse)

    Sorry I didn't know how to attach link.
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,200 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I guess I'm a disenchanted newbie to coin collecting. I thought coins were graded on a scale of 1-70 based on details. I didn't know they were graded on a curve based on strike. I guess we don't want to offend the weak strikes. I call them how I see them. I call a spade a spade. I'm glad I collect mostly raw coins and I think this makes me want to stay away from the graded coins that much more. I cant believe they would grade a coin ms 63 in the link below and throw out a coin that may or may not have been cleaned. I would be much happier with a verification service to make sure the coins are genuine than someones opinion of what a coin grades.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1926-D-Buffalo-Indian-Head-Nickel-NGC-MS63-Q2445-/361112688447?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item5413fe573f[/L]

    This coin has no face, no front feet and no tail (on reverse)

    Sorry I didn't know how to attach link. >>



    I think I've got step 1 down:
    It is worn?
    Yes - 0-58(+)
    No - 60-70

    And Step 2 is the place where debate can lie:
    Worn - how worn? well a weak strike and make it look more worn than one with a strong strike. The idea is to grade it based off how much metal is gone by looking at the details... but also considering the strike. If it is a weak strike then it will appear to have more metal removed, but in reality that is not true. So, some correction is given for that.

    Not Worn - what are the other issues like bag marks and spots? as far as I know strike does not come into play here unless it is an eye appeal issue factored into the + for PCGS.




    So, forumites, am I a kool-aid drinker here?



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    BodinBodin Posts: 996 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So far only one guy got it right. I'll post the grades here in a bit after I image the slabs. >>



    I don't think 2 people have come up with the same grades.
    Also, was it me?
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS and MS

    For
    the
    Win!


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    luckybucksluckybucks Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    61 and 64 ?
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,805 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OK, I think forum member type2 is the only one that got it right as they are 26-d ms-63 and the 13-s type 2 is au-58 and he did it really fast to boot!! I know for sure it's tough to grade coins from images so I'll say you all did well. It's tough for me to see the tiny bit of rub that keeps this 13-s type 2 from being a VERY nice ms piece. The 26-d is as what one of you said is a good educational buffalo nickel specimen to learn from as it was struck from over extended dies, but no rub. Also possibly the dies were set to far apart to achieve a better strike even from worn to the bone dies . Thanks to all for playing along and for the nice complements on the coins. Joe

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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    well crap
    with these secondary images i feel ripped off or something here...image
    if i went to sell them...i'd use images #2 image

    sweet examples there crazyhounddog
    thanks for sharing part of the herd
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,805 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>well crap
    with these secondary images i feel ripped off or something here...image
    if i went to sell them...i'd use images #2 image

    sweet examples there crazyhounddog
    thanks for sharing part of the herd >>



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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If that is AU58 then I'll eat what's leftover after ryk eats his ipad!

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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    duplicate
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    duplicate
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    duplicate.

    Shaky system right now. Nothing takes. And then all the posts you thought you deleted all show up at once. image
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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If that is AU58 then I'll eat what's leftover after ryk eats his ipad! >>



    It only came back AU58 once. That doesn't mean that on another try it can't come back MS. It might also be true that these coins are not 4 grades apart. They were on this day.
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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,971 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would've said 58 on the '26-D and 65 on the '13-S!!!

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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That '26-D looks much more lustrous in the slab than on the initial image.
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,805 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That '26-D looks much more lustrous in the slab than on the initial image. >>



    Honestly the 26-d is pretty low on luster. I believe the 26-d got the grade of 63 because of the few blemishes associated with this particular one, the strike is mostly found mushy. I believe it would have graded 61/62 if there were more hits or bag marks. For this date big strikes and luster are pretty far in between. You can find them and you'll also find a large price tag with em. Thanks to all for playing along. Joe
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,760 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That '26-D looks much more lustrous in the slab than on the initial image. >>



    I was thinking the same thing.

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