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Real or counterfeit seated dollars?

Trying to learn to spot them. What do you think of these two?

See ebay links below:

Coin #1

Coin #2
Buying Athens, GA nationals and obsoletes, for my personal collection
Buying most large and small type notes and some nationals for inventory

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  • Don't buy a raw Seated Dollar if these don't immediately SCREAM modern counterfeit to you.
  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Trying to learn to spot them. What do you think of these two?

    See ebay links below:

    Coin #1

    Coin #2 >>



    BOTH SLOPPY JUNK. RUN AWAY.

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  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,733 ✭✭✭✭✭
    both are fakes

    coins for sale at link below
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/3QuUzMTeSMsQXrpg8

  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Neither one is even close to what I would call a clever fake. J.P. Martin authored an ANA correspondence book, 'Detecting Counterfeit and Altered U.S. Coins.' Buy it (try amazon.com) and the video too (try coinvideo.com). Then get the books by Fivaz and 'Lonesome John.' There are a couple of additional books as well. And then start assembling an image library of fake/altered coins for your own study purposes. In the meantime, don't buy raw coins.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,758 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #1 is screaming bad. It is obvious at the first glance.

    #2 is very bad. It took a couple of seconds longer.

    Just let collectors know. The Chinese made and marketed a complete set of counterfeit Seated Dollars, including all of the dates and mints, and marketed that set in a fake Dansco album, several years ago. I saw one of those sets for the first time at a winter FUN show seminar. The pieces in it were of similar quality to what you see in this blog.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A good reason to buy slabbed examples. They really don't sell for all that much more than raw ones. Even if the coin is not fake, it's a big help in avoiding coins with overly messed with surfaces.
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    agree, both bad.

    bobimage
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  • michiganboymichiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭
    Those are both easy fakes to spot.
    Positive BST transactions:michaeldixon,nibanny,
    type2,CCHunter.
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Those are both easy fakes to spot. >>

    That's for sure!
    When in doubt, don't.
  • lkrarecoinslkrarecoins Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭
    Both are chock full o' fugazy image
    In Loving Memory of my Dad......My best friend, My inspiration, and My Coin Collecting Partner

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,758 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>A good reason to buy slabbed examples. They really don't sell for all that much more than raw ones. Even if the coin is not fake, it's a big help in avoiding coins with overly messed with surfaces. >>



    This is good advice. A great many Seated Dollars have been messed with, and some of them are actually attractive. This 1872 Seated Dollar was in the "first version" of my type set which I put together years before there was slabbed certification. It flunked when I sent it in for grading, although it did have a nice look to it.

    It's better to buy a certified coin from the get-go and avoid the bother.

    imageimage
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
    both look bogus to me. jmo
  • COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>A good reason to buy slabbed examples. They really don't sell for all that much more than raw ones. Even if the coin is not fake, it's a big help in avoiding coins with overly messed with surfaces. >>



    This is good advice. A great many Seated Dollars have been messed with, and some of them are actually attractive. This 1872 Seated Dollar was in the "first version" of my type set which I put together years before there was slabbed certification. It flunked when I sent it in for grading, although it did have a nice look to it.

    It's better to buy a certified coin from the get-go and avoid the bother.

    imageimage >>



    That's a fake? or just cleaned? Have you ever resubmitted it?
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,758 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>A good reason to buy slabbed examples. They really don't sell for all that much more than raw ones. Even if the coin is not fake, it's a big help in avoiding coins with overly messed with surfaces. >>



    This is good advice. A great many Seated Dollars have been messed with, and some of them are actually attractive. This 1872 Seated Dollar was in the "first version" of my type set which I put together years before there was slabbed certification. It flunked when I sent it in for grading, although it did have a nice look to it.

    It's better to buy a certified coin from the get-go and avoid the bother.

    imageimage >>



    That's a fake? or just cleaned? Have you ever resubmitted it? >>



    It is genuine. It flunked for unnatural color. When I was a dealer I sold to another dealer who was buying for a customer who was filling a 70-70 album.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • ebaybuyerebaybuyer Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭
    having questioned those two dollars you are miles ahead of the idiots bidding on them. the fakes are relatively easy to spot, most have date digits that look like they were formed with clay, strikes worse than the mint could do if they tried, and lets not forget the fantasy date/mintmark combinations. ive seen 1847-cc dollars bid up to several hundred $ any idiot should know the Carson City mint wasn't completed until 1869
    regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything

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