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BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Are these adjustment marks? Never seen them on a coin this late nor from the Charlotte mint. AU53 CAC, wow???

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Adjustment file marks as seen on both the obverse & reverse... Not damage, a strike through error, or lamination.

    You can see the one cutting through the chin and cheek starting between the stars near the edge of the planchet.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like they are roller marks made on the gold bar prior to punching out the planchets. I don't think they were still filing planchets to adjust their weight at this time period.

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,391 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Adjustment file marks as seen on both the obverse & reverse... Not damage, a strike through error, or lamination.

    You can see the one cutting through the chin and cheek starting between the stars near the edge of the planchet. >>



    That is what I thought...wow I am surprised CAC approved this. Coin is original but man that is distracting.

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like they are roller marks made on the gold bar prior to punching out the planchets. I don't think they were still filing planchets to adjust their weight at this time period. >>



    The Philadelphia mint stopped a decade before however those aren't roller marks as they are file cuts.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Adjustment file marks as seen on both the obverse & reverse... Not damage, a strike through error, or lamination.

    You can see the one cutting through the chin and cheek starting between the stars near the edge of the planchet. >>



    That is what I thought...wow I am surprised CAC approved this. Coin is original but man that is distracting. >>



    I think this is pretty darn cool and since it happened on the mint prior to striking why not CAC it if the coins surfaces and grade are all there image

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,391 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Adjustment file marks as seen on both the obverse & reverse... Not damage, a strike through error, or lamination.

    You can see the one cutting through the chin and cheek starting between the stars near the edge of the planchet. >>



    That is what I thought...wow I am surprised CAC approved this. Coin is original but man that is distracting. >>



    I think this is pretty darn cool and since it happened on the mint prior to striking why not CAC it if the coins surfaces and grade are all there image >>



    They won't CAC a weak mint marked C mint $5 because it brings commands a lower value than a strong mint marked coin. They are committing to buy this coin at the bid for a unmarked 53. Seems like this coin would bring well less than a comparable P53 CAC.

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Adjustment file marks as seen on both the obverse & reverse... Not damage, a strike through error, or lamination.

    You can see the one cutting through the chin and cheek starting between the stars near the edge of the planchet. >>



    That is what I thought...wow I am surprised CAC approved this. Coin is original but man that is distracting. >>



    I think this is pretty darn cool and since it happened on the mint prior to striking why not CAC it if the coins surfaces and grade are all there image >>



    They won't CAC a weak mint marked C mint $5 because it brings commands a lower value than a strong mint marked coin. They are committing to buy this coin at the bid for a unmarked 53. Seems like this coin would bring well less than a comparable P53 CAC. >>



    Well this isn't weakly struck but was on a adjusted planchet.

    Sure this might not be market acceptable to everyone but I think it's a super neat example of southern gold.

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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    I wonder if ankur submitted that one ?

    They do like as made and I would agree with PH's guess. That said even with it's great skin that would be a C- to D+ coin in my eyes and almost impossible to sell for strong to resonable money walking the floor of a large show. Using that as a barometer of a coin's desirability works well for me.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I wonder if ankur submitted that one ?

    They do like as made and I would agree with PH's guess. That said even with it's great skin that would be a C- to D+ coin in my eyes and almost impossible to sell for strong to resonable money walking the floor of a large show. Using that as a barometer of a coin's desirability works well for me. >>



    Your probably right as this might appeal more to someone interested in gold mint errors.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's another 51-C with the same debate on marks.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think Perryhall might be right as they may be roller marks left on the planchets prior to striking.

    Pre-coffee I couldn't wrap my mind around this until I did this mock-up which shows the directional lines are uniform as feed on both sides.

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Link fixed.

    That looks more like roller scoring than adjustment marks. They are very straight and parallel, in the same direction on both sides, and the same place on the coin.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My first thought was roller marks, though they could be from a drawing bench (as you see on a lot of Morgan dollars) IF indeed they were using a drawing banch at that mint in that time.

    TD
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My first thought was roller marks, though they could be from a drawing bench (as you see on a lot of Morgan dollars) IF indeed they were using a drawing banch at that mint in that time.

    TD >>



    So now we are moving from roller marks to cylinder marks image

    New Orleans used a drawing bench during early gold production so wouldn't it be assumed that Charlotte used one too image
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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The purpose of adjusting is to lower the weight and that's done by metal removal and that appears the case here. No doubt a careful weighing would show a coin at exact weight. Ladies done this work and they were good at it.
  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do people see this coin as liquid or as valuable as an unadjusted coin?

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  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Do people see this coin as liquid or as valuable as an unadjusted coin? >>



    If that coin came in the mail, I would not be happy.
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  • MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Adjustment file marks as seen on both the obverse & reverse... Not damage, a strike through error, or lamination.

    You can see the one cutting through the chin and cheek starting between the stars near the edge of the planchet. >>



    That is what I thought...wow I am surprised CAC approved this. Coin is original but man that is distracting. >>



    I think this is pretty darn cool and since it happened on the mint prior to striking why not CAC it if the coins surfaces and grade are all there image >>



    Good answer.
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Adjustment file marks as seen on both the obverse & reverse... Not damage, a strike through error, or lamination.

    You can see the one cutting through the chin and cheek starting between the stars near the edge of the planchet. >>



    That is what I thought...wow I am surprised CAC approved this. Coin is original but man that is distracting. >>



    I think this is pretty darn cool and since it happened on the mint prior to striking why not CAC it if the coins surfaces and grade are all there image >>



    They won't CAC a weak mint marked C mint $5 because it brings commands a lower value than a strong mint marked coin. They are committing to buy this coin at the bid for a unmarked 53. Seems like this coin would bring well less than a comparable P53 CAC. >>



    nice point.

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