I would buy that coin in a details grade (and for much less $$$) any day of the week. Buy the coin not the plastic.
Thanks, Jay! Wish I could say the missing side is equally interesting. But IMO rather plain design. Definitely got lucky that this is the side which got brockaged
Edit: you can see much lovelier examples of this type on the dark side forum, in the thread I created for this coin a couple weeks ago, as JCMHouston (IIRC) commented with images of his superb collection.
I really don't like that there is a binary line between gradable or not gradable. I really believe that all grades below 70 are 'net' grades and that wear and damage occur along a spectrum, and that it's really an artificial construct, one that is very inconsistent, whether or not a specific coin is "acceptable" or not. I say net grade them all and price accordingly.
I would guess that the grader never used a loupe to look at the coin. Viewed actual size in the above picture, it is very hard to notice. But no doubt it should not have straight graded.
I would guess that the grader never used a loupe to look at the coin. Viewed actual size in the above picture, it is very hard to notice. But no doubt it should not have straight graded. >>
I would have no trouble seeing those scratches while viewing that coin in hand with a good light source. I've seen this before---the grading services all seem to tolerate light damage such as this on an older circulated coin that is a rarity within its series.
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Minimal scratch. It's very old, contemporary to the coin's age, and very nearly blended away by wear. I have no problem with it straight grading. If it were a hair deeper, or a hair newer, or a hair brighter, it would have gennied. Not all scratches are created equal, some will straight grade, and some will not.
It's only one submission. On earlier attempts, it probably did get rejected, especially if back in the early years of the TPG's.
I had MS63ish better date seated half where there was some minute pin scratching under the eagle's inner wing....possibly done to remove a spot or other defect. On 4-5 attempts to grade, it came back BB'd twice. The other times it straight graded from 62 to 63. While technically a "problem" coin, the grading didn't reflect it on each and every attempt. I sold the coin in a clean MS63 holder as it did have some features closer to MS64. I'm sure if the next guy tried it again, they'd have found some BB's too.
Lower grade, VF and below there is greater tolerance for minor "X" marks, I don't have a problem with that, maybe they are pointing at some vital detail, lol.
Possibly at one point there was a map for the Saddle Ridge collection. I bought an 1874 $20 Lib. with a near "X" but more a "Y" was on the obverse, where the consensus was it would not grade though it was Unc. but the other major grader put it in a 60 holder.
I was going through some of my old cents and found some to have been, I dunno, laquered? Shellacked? I don't even know what you guys call it. It's a discernable layer that's kept them preserved almost like a second skin.
This is how people used to preserve coins right? How does PCGS grade that out? Just details or do they leave it alone?
X's and lines on coins that match the time period are perfectly fine by me I think they add authenticity. I've had my share and have certainly seen my share. I think the goal is to scratch through an existing easily-faked scratch and make sure both the coin and the scratch match?
And curious why the face. I wonder why she took a heavy load on the cheek.
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Thanks, Jay! Wish I could say the missing side is equally interesting. But IMO rather plain design. Definitely got lucky that this is the side which got brockaged
Edit: you can see much lovelier examples of this type on the dark side forum, in the thread I created for this coin a couple weeks ago, as JCMHouston (IIRC) commented with images of his superb collection.
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I would guess that the grader never used a loupe to look at the coin. Viewed actual size in the above picture, it is very hard to notice. But no doubt it should not have straight graded.
Bodybagged by PCGS - as it should have been.
Sold recently at as show as a "hole filler" - wish I had taken photos before I put it in my case.
Seems to me the OPs coin should be genuine as well.
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I would guess that the grader never used a loupe to look at the coin. Viewed actual size in the above picture, it is very hard to notice. But no doubt it should not have straight graded. >>
I would have no trouble seeing those scratches while viewing that coin in hand with a good light source. I've seen this before---the grading services all seem to tolerate light damage such as this on an older circulated coin that is a rarity within its series.
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It's only one submission. On earlier attempts, it probably did get rejected, especially if back in the early years of the TPG's.
I had MS63ish better date seated half where there was some minute pin scratching under the eagle's inner wing....possibly done to remove a spot or other defect. On 4-5 attempts to grade, it came back BB'd twice. The other times it straight graded from 62 to 63. While technically a "problem" coin, the grading didn't reflect it on each and every attempt. I sold the coin in a clean MS63 holder as it did have some features closer to MS64. I'm sure if the next guy tried it again, they'd have found some BB's too.
Lower grade, VF and below there is greater tolerance for minor "X" marks, I don't have a problem with that, maybe they are pointing at some vital detail, lol.
Possibly at one point there was a map for the Saddle Ridge collection. I bought an 1874 $20 Lib. with a near "X" but more a "Y" was on the obverse, where the consensus was it would not grade though it was Unc. but the other major grader put it in a 60 holder.
send it to CAC and see if it gets a bean , maybe while its there it will turn into a 1962 franklin
Probably looks the same 2 and a half years later.
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I was going through some of my old cents and found some to have been, I dunno, laquered? Shellacked? I don't even know what you guys call it. It's a discernable layer that's kept them preserved almost like a second skin.
This is how people used to preserve coins right? How does PCGS grade that out? Just details or do they leave it alone?
X's and lines on coins that match the time period are perfectly fine by me I think they add authenticity. I've had my share and have certainly seen my share. I think the goal is to scratch through an existing easily-faked scratch and make sure both the coin and the scratch match?
And curious why the face. I wonder why she took a heavy load on the cheek.
IMO, graffiti should always be noted....surprised that this is a coinfacts example...Cheers, RickO
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