My First NewP in awhile, A Significant Vermont Copper Rarity, Ryder 36
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Hillyer Ryder's work was never technically completed after he wrote his book on Vemont Coppers in 1920, in fact during his lifetime Ryder 32 was discovered. As time went on more attention was paid to letter placements, date figures and arm positions...and one variety after another... One here, one there.....came to light. Richardson continued this addition of very rare varieties and in 1947 he recorded 35. In 1955 Ken Bressett made the discovery of the Ryder 36 and soon another appeared shown by Richard Picker. First noted as an R8, by Norweb it was R7 and thanks probably to advances in metal detectors is now R5+. Carlotto notes that while not super rare, it is seldom offered. He estimated 20-25 extant coins but it's safer to suggest maybe closer to 40 are around. The coin itself is struck from obverse die 10, a true hard azz die responsible for nine different varieties coupled to different reverses, some of which fail remarkably quickly. A few very rare varieties exist only on overstruck counterfeit Irish halfpence, probably because they have a softer alloy. Ryder 36 uses reverse P which is extremely shallow in the central area. It has a distinctive date with the second 8 touching the lower line. This variety is among the worst looking and poorest preserved Machin Vermonts. The obverse is strong, with sharp lettering and full legends. The reverse is shallow as typically seen with fairly sharp (in terms of wear) lettering. The date is exceptionally well defined. Overall fairly heavy ground effect but pleasing color with lighter highlights. While tough to grade, the level of wear on the bust and obverse lettering is nominal, more difficult to judge is the reverse but looking at its best features they are sharp, such as the date. Central detail initially weak is reduced by overall environmental effect. In terms of wear this most likely WAS a VF to XF piece but now must be judged no better than VG. Even so, a very difficult Variety and now the collection is 14 different varieties concentrating on the keys and rarities and not really pursuing the "common" varieties too strongly. Also I'm posting the photos from the Picker sale, you'll note also how "not there" the reverse of this variety comes. Anyway hope you enjoyed my long story and enjoy seeing a Vermont Ryder 36. I do believe it's the first time one has been posted here. 
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<< <i>Wow. No responses except for the guy trying to psychoanalyze me. Not even good ol' Ricko adding on anoth post with a simple "Neat Coin". Ugh.
Don't be upset. The coins you collect require exceptional research and understanding. Most of the crowd here use to see only coins from 1900 to 1964 and start sweating only when they see 69plusstar in rattler gold beaned holder with the date no later than 1988..
I must confess that I start to like Vermont coopers mostly from your threads and even looked at them on ebay and ha.com, just realized that I'm still too young as a collector to go ahead and buy one of these neat coins. But one day I will.
i would participate more in your threads but i don't like your presentation and the fact you don't know how to break up a paragraph. too hard on my eyes to read 27 lines piled on top of each other.
i do appreciate the pictures and history of them tho.
edited to add:
i'm sure the thread will pick up after the work day ends.
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Not entombed?
Can't buy by the roll.
We can't all compare our examples with yours.
Too scary to spend $$$ on, not enough statistics.
But I like all old copper, a lot more fun to look at than another MS Morgan.
PS: I don't think hch was trying to psychoanalyze you, but "How does that make you feel?"
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