I got an interesting message from an ebay seller
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Here it is.........
If you are interested in my 73 wrestling magazine I would be happy to work something out but sending me a low ball offer of $200 is a joke and you know it. I can cut the andre card out and PSA slab it and sell it for a lot more. In addition can slab the rest of them and make even more money. Let me know if you have a serious offer.
Thanks!
- yazisgreat
I am not sure that insulting a potential buyer is the way to go about things. I have bought 8 magazines or so and have only paid over $200 one time I believe.
I'll move on........
If you are interested in my 73 wrestling magazine I would be happy to work something out but sending me a low ball offer of $200 is a joke and you know it. I can cut the andre card out and PSA slab it and sell it for a lot more. In addition can slab the rest of them and make even more money. Let me know if you have a serious offer.
Thanks!
- yazisgreat
I am not sure that insulting a potential buyer is the way to go about things. I have bought 8 magazines or so and have only paid over $200 one time I believe.
I'll move on........
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Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
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<< <i>I just want to go on the record that I am NOT eBay seller "yazisgreat" lol. As far as I know neither is manny. I promise I do not, never have, and never will own a wrestling magazine, I swear
I swear that you remind me of a wrestler though Dan. I swear I have seen you in the ring.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
<< <i>What was their opening list price? I have never understood why a seller would insult a buyer rather than just countering the offer or rejecting it outright. >>
$599, I believe.
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<< <i>What was their opening list price? I have never understood why a seller would insult a buyer rather than just countering the offer or rejecting it outright. >>
$599, I believe. >>
Yes that is true but I have bought 7 of 8 at $200 or below.....
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
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<< <i>That's funny, because a while back "Yazisgreat" contacted me and basically asked me to raise the price on my "Buy It Now" price for my 1973 Andre the Giant card that I was selling. He said that I was hurting the value of the card. >>
Oh this is getting good....this Yaz guy is a piece of work. Did you ask him to get back with you when he becomes a serious seller and insulting potential buyers is a joke and he knows it?
<< <i>I am not sure that insulting a potential buyer is the way to go about things. >>
and yet it happens all the time. Even here on the forum. I was browsing currencies, and saw a post which I found to be confusing. I politely asked for clarification. I got a PM from the seller which ... basically made me decide to never buy anything from them. Ever.
Some people just don't think before they open their mouths. It's OK. That's Life. Not everyone can be at the top of the pyramid.
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<< <i>If you are selling on ebay and want to avoid what you feel are low ball offers it is simple to put auto reject setting at the time of listing. That would be the proper way to handle this rather than insulting someone. I put my BO reject settings anywhere from 50-70% of my BIN listing to avoid this situation. >>
This too. I have done this before and it does save everyone a LOT of time.
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<< <i>If you are selling on ebay and want to avoid what you feel are low ball offers it is simple to put auto reject setting at the time of listing. That would be the proper way to handle this rather than insulting someone. I put my BO reject settings anywhere from 50-70% of my BIN listing to avoid this situation. >>
This too. I have done this before and it does save everyone a LOT of time. >>
I agree but not that it saves you a lot of time. Unless you are getting thousands of low ball offers a day.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>Here it is.........
If you are interested in my 73 wrestling magazine I would be happy to work something out but sending me a low ball offer of $200 is a joke and you know it. I can cut the andre card out and PSA slab it and sell it for a lot more. In addition can slab the rest of them and make even more money. Let me know if you have a serious offer.
Thanks!
- yazisgreat
I am not sure that insulting a potential buyer is the way to go about things. I have bought 8 magazines or so and have only paid over $200 one time I believe.
I'll move on........ >>
I don't think sellers response is insulting.........although he doesn't have to call your offer a joke. Sellers often list their items very high. Some drop the price if the item doesn't sell, some do not.
Offering $200.00 for an item listed at $600.00 is probably a bit insulting to him. Makes no sense to start low when selling.
If I see an item I think is priced as far out of line as the OP thinks it was, I don't make any kind of offer, but wait for the seller to drop the price. Since OP already has 8 of these and got them all at a good price, why bother on this one?
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<< <i>Here it is.........
If you are interested in my 73 wrestling magazine I would be happy to work something out but sending me a low ball offer of $200 is a joke and you know it. I can cut the andre card out and PSA slab it and sell it for a lot more. In addition can slab the rest of them and make even more money. Let me know if you have a serious offer.
Thanks!
- yazisgreat
I am not sure that insulting a potential buyer is the way to go about things. I have bought 8 magazines or so and have only paid over $200 one time I believe.
I'll move on........ >>
I don't think sellers response is insulting.........although he doesn't have to call your offer a joke. Sellers often list their items very high. Some drop the price if the item doesn't sell, some do not.
Offering $200.00 for an item listed at $600.00 is probably a bit insulting to him. Makes no sense to start low when selling.
If I see an item I think is priced as far out of line as the OP thinks it was, I don't make any kind of offer, but wait for the seller to drop the price. Since OP already has 8 of these and got them all at a good price, why bother on this one? >>
This magazine has been on ebay for a little while and I never bothered to put in an offer due to the price. I decided to throw an offer since it had been sitting. I am not sure why my offer was low when many purchases have been made at this price. In essence, I feel that I have paid market price for them. If I card has a VCP at $10 and the seller lists it at $30 and I choose to offer $10, I am the one lowballing the seller? I am not sure I follow that logic.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>What was their opening list price? I have never understood why a seller would insult a buyer rather than just countering the offer or rejecting it outright. >>
+1.
I fail to see what is to be gained by insulting a potential buyer.
If sellers are that easily offended by offers, they shouldn't use the Best Offer feature without setting auto-reject.
Snorto~
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<< <i>What was their opening list price? I have never understood why a seller would insult a buyer rather than just countering the offer or rejecting it outright. >>
+1.
I fail to see what is to be gained by insulting a potential buyer.
If sellers are that easily offended by offers, they shouldn't use the Best Offer feature without setting auto-reject.
Snorto~ >>
+2
And realizing that setting a BIN price at XX.XX amount doesn't make the item worth that amount..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Admittedly, if I am offering an item for $599 and a potential buyer comes my way throwing me a $200 offer, odds are, we will not come to an agreement as I have already stated that I am looking to sell for $599.
HOWEVER!
The fact that someone has approached me opens the door to a dialog.
If you were to drop the flaming part of his response and re-shuffle some words, you now have a selling moment where you educate the potential buyer and possibly coax them to increase their offer to a level which MAY be acceptable.
The response that the seller provided not only slammed the door, it cemented it shut as that potential buyer will 1) never buy from him and 2) is spreading the word that this seller lacks the basic understanding that it is customer's who drive the market, not sellers.
With that said WCK, I would move on as well.
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<< <i>If you are selling on ebay and want to avoid what you feel are low ball offers it is simple to put auto reject setting at the time of listing. That would be the proper way to handle this rather than insulting someone. I put my BO reject settings anywhere from 50-70% of my BIN listing to avoid this situation. >>
+1,000,000. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever why items are listed w/ best offer but w/o the auto-decline and auto-accept fields completed by a seller. Why should conversations about sellers being offended by low offers even exist?
2 - there's a possibility that this guy knows he's high on the book and has it in his shop solely to drive traffic. This is something I do on some books that I do not intend to sell, books that are in my personal collection...and everything in my personal collection has a price. I've sold LOTS of items this way.
3 - if he's following the model above, and these sell for $200, then $600 is a perfect price for him to offer it at (X 3 the going rate). Everything that I mark up is at least three times. This covers my initial investment, profit, site fees and adds a little self-insurance in case something goes wrong, and saves me money on having to purchase usps or upic insurance.
4 - doing a quick, not thorough, eBay search shows me this is the only issue on the site. This helps justify his price as he has nothing else to compete with. If someone wants to buy this book fully intact, this is it.
5 - to everyone who says they have an auto-set on their best offer listings, my preference is not to have the auto-decline as I want to see and respond to each offer individually and in a professional manner. If I have an item I intend to sell too high then I am open to dialogue with a potential customer about it.
Again - sorry you got this reply...a lot of unprofessional sellers in all hobbies.
As a seller, I tend to price my item at about 10-20% higher than the average sale price. This way, I may get the high end, but also can decide if I want to take less. When I put up an item that averages selling for $100 and someone offers $50 on it, I consider that a joke, though I dont reply to it or tell the buyer that. I also cannot stand it when someone sends me an offer of xxxx and then states "the last 3 have gone for xxxx, so would you take xxxx"...I know what they go for, I honestly dont care what a zero feedback sellers item with a blurry picture that was an auction ending at 6 in the morning went for. Send me an offer, I will either accept it or reject it based on its merits, not the editorializing sent along with it.
In summary, the offer was probably insulting to the buyer, as witnessed by the response...better off not sending an offer until he lowers the BIN price. The response was an even bigger problem as it drove away a potential customer, maybe not on this item, but others as well
<< <i>I'll argue your point slightly and maybe I am in the minority but once I see an item ridiculously priced like this, I ignore the seller completely. I cannot remember the specific items, but I actually already had yazisgreat flagged as "don't bother - overpriced". I took a quick look at his items now and I immediately noticed several stupidly priced items. >>
I don't think you're in the minority at all. It's definitely a turnoff to see things that are grossly overpriced. When pricing a few "driver" items, one really has to be careful not to drive away customers once they're in.
I don't know enough about the wrestling card market to comment on whether or not the magazine is overpriced, but if the others sold for about $200, and mostly to one buyer, then maybe the true value is a lot less than $200.
<< <i>5 - to everyone who says they have an auto-set on their best offer listings, my preference is not to have the auto-decline as I want to see and respond to each offer individually and in a professional manner. If I have an item I intend to sell too high then I am open to dialogue with a potential customer about it.
Again - sorry you got this reply...a lot of unprofessional sellers in all hobbies. >>
I understand your sentiment, but I'm pretty confident there's a point where you don't want to open that dialogue. If you have a BIN/BO at $200 for example, do you want to consider that to be dialogue with a "potential customer" about it if you get a low ball offer of $1.00? Most likely, no. How about $100.00? Probably yes. Where you set your auto decline level is typically going to be based on the individual item rather than a specific percentage of your list price as you'll have different amounts of percentage in your initial investment, but if you're willing to have offers like $1.00 roll in from time to time, it would seem you'd also have to be able to not take any offense to the offer in the form of angry replies either (by that I am in no way accusing you of taking offense or writing angry replies
<< <i>Most sellers are amateurs... and this seller proves it. >>
This is true on eBay because of simple math. There's way more product floating around (albeit circulated and/or average condition) than there are collectors. Most sellers on eBay are amateurs because the entire premise of eBay (for those who remember their early TV commercials) is this: One man's garbage is another man's treasure; take that box from grandma's attic and liquidate so you can buy something you really want.
If you collect vintage material, where the supply is much lower in any condition, you quickly find that most sellers are not amateurs. In fact the only sellers in some instances are auction firms. Basically what I'm saying is if you want to avoid amateur sellers and all the drama they bring to the table you have two options:
(1) don't buy on ebay
(2) collect older and/or higher-grade
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Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
If you want to waste time and bandwidth searching for others to take up your cause of pat you on the back for being slighted, then knock yourselves out.
I've found more than my share of clowns on both ends. I used to worry about it, but have found, as I've grown older, that it isn't worth the energy to worry about them. Winning on the Internet isn't all it is cracked up to be.
I used to engage in log dialogs. I used to always worry about getting the last word and make certain that I covered every point. Now, if I even bother to respond, I make a simple, albeit caustic point. Usually it goes right over the target's head and that typifies the inherent fact that I'd be wasting any additional second that I spent on it...
<< <i>Why is it a concern that a poster might be discussing an eBay experience? Just move on... >>
Just saying.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>Why is it a concern that a seller or a buyer might be rude or inconsiderate? Just move on...
If you want to waste time and bandwidth searching for others to take up your cause of pat you on the back for being slighted, then knock yourselves out.
I've found more than my share of clowns on both ends. I used to worry about it, but have found, as I've grown older, that it isn't worth the energy to worry about them. Winning on the Internet isn't all it is cracked up to be.
I used to engage in log dialogs. I used to always worry about getting the last word and make certain that I covered every point. Now, if I even bother to respond, I make a simple, albeit caustic point. Usually it goes right over the target's head and that typifies the inherent fact that I'd be wasting any additional second that I spent on it... >>
Very well said with a good laugh mixed in...
Rob
+1
I rarely submit an offer if the BIN is far out of a normal price range.
Seller lists a card that normally sells for $10. Seller feels that the common market value of this card is too low, so he lists it at $100. Everyone else must be wrong.
Seller lists it at $100 OBO.
Buyer offers $10.
Seller sends him an email saying his offer is a joke.
Buyer sends him facts and past sales.
Seller berates Buyer.
Buyer posts on forum
Some forum members say the Buyer sent a low ball offer.
Some say the Seller is wrong.
Life goes on.
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Then there are grayer areas. Take for example any vintage card that is routinely found with a certain defect or defects of eye appeal. If one has an example in "Grade X" that blows away many others in "Grade X+Y," I believe the owner would be smart and correct to price it well above the historic average of average-looking cards in that same grade. Inevitably some buyer seeking a premium-looking card for an average-looking card price will come along and attempt to quote VCP for the grade as if it is a price guide, as opposed to a mere recording of what specific cards have sold for at specific times. In such an instance, I do not believe a card is "overpriced." Rather, it comes down to a simple question: Can a better looking example be found for cheaper? When buying or selling, if the answer to that question is a resounding NO, then I like the price of the card.
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<< <i>Sure, there are times when the term "overpriced" is obviously true and applicable. If someone has a 1985 Donruss Danny Tartabull Rated Rookie (or its ilk) listed for a grand, I'd say that's overpriced.
Then there are grayer areas. Take for example any vintage card that is routinely found with a certain defect or defects of eye appeal. If one has an example in "Grade X" that blows away many others in "Grade X+Y," I believe the owner would be smart and correct to price it well above the historic average of average-looking cards in that same grade. Inevitably some buyer seeking a premium-looking card for an average-looking card price will come along and attempt to quote VCP for the grade as if it is a price guide, as opposed to a mere recording of what specific cards have sold for at specific times. In such an instance, I do not believe a card is "overpriced." Rather, it comes down to a simple question: Can a better looking example be found for cheaper? When buying or selling, if the answer to that question is a resounding NO, then I like the price of the card. >>
Another example would be cards that the seller thinks can only appreciate in price. I have a few modern hockey cards priced well above market pricing because I feel that payer is going to win a Norris, of is going to be a star. There is a hockey player that IMO will be a first ballot HOF player that gets no hobby love, his best RC sells for 120 bucks or so. I have a few copies and would't let them go for twice that, I can sit on the card and wait. I say the market is under valuing that card, and buyers say I'm overpricing. Sellers can ask whatever they want.
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ebay has many features in place that wouldnt allow for it...
as many others have said, move on...
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