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1792 Disme in Silver - Just graded by PCGS! 1/13/15 Important Update in first post

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1/13/15 Update

Unfortunately a Stack's Bowers representative told me at FUN that after consulting with many experts - the coin is an Electrotype and has been removed from the PCGS holder and the Kendal collection sale image


First example of Judd 9 graded by PCGS!

Not my coin.

PCGS AU 55!

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not mine either.

    Andy Lustig

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  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice! That looks like George Washington's silver in there!


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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That disme makes me dizzy. (with adoration)
  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,760 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That coin is amazing!
    may the fonz be with you...always...
  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,749 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That disme makes me dizzy. (with adoration) >>






    Yes, I was thinking that image


    Hmmmmmmm, I wish I could pluck it out of my monitorimage



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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Insane.
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  • valente151valente151 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭
    Very cool coin! I love the 1792 patterns!

    I can't recall seeing a silver ever, but the example of J-10 (The copper version of this coin) in the Smithsonian is a beast, one of the highlights of my vault trip this summer!

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,884 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Insane. >>



    +1
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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fabulous
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  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, that is fantastic!
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  • BodinBodin Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Very cool coin! I love the 1792 patterns!

    I can't recall seeing a silver ever, but the example of J-10 (The copper version of this coin) in the Smithsonian is a beast, one of the highlights of my vault trip this summer!

    image >>



    To date, this was one of the highlights of the boards for me. Thank you again for sharing
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  • sybildvanesybildvane Posts: 49
    same beast that went through Stacks a decade ago? wonderful coin. such a low J too. how cool
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,504 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't really have much use for the suffix "zer" with our English language, But that is a WOWZER of a coin.
  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin - thanks for sharing.
  • coindudeonebaycoindudeonebay Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭
    Beautiful coin but hard to view that large. Here's a smaller version.

    image
  • EastonCollectionEastonCollection Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thus us my #1 favorite coin of all time! Thank you for sharing it with me. A true National treasure from every which way!
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  • luckybucksluckybucks Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    Great coin and a miracle of survival !!
  • JohnHarperJohnHarper Posts: 145 ✭
    There were previously three known examples of Judd-9. This does not match any of them. I am guessing this is the Kendall Foundation coin. I would like to know the certification number.
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
    image


    Coin's for sale/trade.


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  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i>There were previously three known examples of Judd-9. This does not match any of them. I am guessing this is the Kendall Foundation coin. I would like to know the certification number. >>





    28945634


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  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭
    Wow!

    Lol, not mine either...
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Excellent!

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  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    GOOD GOSH ALMIGHTY, BEAUTIFUL !!!!!

    I'd like to hear the story on how that scratch got on the cheek of Lady Liberty.
  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow. I would love to in cover one of these in some old hoard.

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  • PistareenPistareen Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭
    It's not mine either, but at least I get to play with it.

    This is the Kendall Foundation coin, to be sold by StacksBowers in March 2015. It's a totally new example. It was acquired privately from Stack's in June 1975 on the same day as the magnificent Birch cent.

    It will be offered with 6 NE shillings, an NE sixpence (a real one!), a literal fistful of Willow Trees, a Silver Center cent, well over 100 pieces of additional Mass silver, other notable colonial rarities (many plated in Crosby and other standard references), an original CSA half, and some other fun things. The collection contained one certified coin when I first saw the group over the summer. One.

    But all the good coins are known and nearly all are already slabbed, right?
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  • DaveWcoinsDaveWcoins Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It's not mine either, but at least I get to play with it.

    This is the Kendall Foundation coin, to be sold by StacksBowers in March 2015. It's a totally new example. It was acquired privately from Stack's in June 1975 on the same day as the magnificent Birch cent.

    It will be offered with 6 NE shillings, an NE sixpence (a real one!), a literal fistful of Willow Trees, a Silver Center cent, well over 100 pieces of additional Mass silver, other notable colonial rarities (many plated in Crosby and other standard references), an original CSA half, and some other fun things. The collection contained one certified coin when I first saw the group over the summer. One.

    But all the good coins are known and nearly all are already slabbed, right? >>



    So -- are there any good coins in the collection?

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,623 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It's not mine either, but at least I get to play with it.

    This is the Kendall Foundation coin, to be sold by StacksBowers in March 2015. It's a totally new example. It was acquired privately from Stack's in June 1975 on the same day as the magnificent Birch cent.

    It will be offered with 6 NE shillings, an NE sixpence (a real one!), a literal fistful of Willow Trees, a Silver Center cent, well over 100 pieces of additional Mass silver, other notable colonial rarities (many plated in Crosby and other standard references), an original CSA half, and some other fun things. The collection contained one certified coin when I first saw the group over the summer. One.

    But all the good coins are known and nearly all are already slabbed, right? >>



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  • JohnHarperJohnHarper Posts: 145 ✭
    "It was acquired privately from Stack's in June 1975" I realize Pistareen wasn't born yet, but for some of us 1975 is not that long ago. Where was it before 1975 and how did it avoid detection prior to that?
  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭


    << <i>image >>



    This is as close as I'll get to one of these. image

    Beautiful coin.


    Mike
  • bronzematbronzemat Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Saw this lastnight. Stunning piece and I dont get excited with u.s. coins much anymore. The the toning, photography & everything about the coin is amazing.
  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,093 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh my.
    What an extraordinary piece!
    I'm in love.

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  • ranshdowranshdow Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭✭
    One of those that seems almost to have a soul. And from a picture!
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a chicken to me.

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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  • EastonCollectionEastonCollection Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't understand? - If this is a totally new example than how is it dated "1792"?

    If I have a 1850 coin then is this considered a modern coin? LOL

    BTW - all outstanding coins simply magnificent and can't wait to see those coins from the set.
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  • WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That coin is sick. How lucky are we that we collect in the internet age, where we have access to images like this at the push of a button.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
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  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It's not mine either, but at least I get to play with it.

    This is the Kendall Foundation coin, to be sold by StacksBowers in March 2015. It's a totally new example. It was acquired privately from Stack's in June 1975 on the same day as the magnificent Birch cent.

    It will be offered with 6 NE shillings, an NE sixpence (a real one!), a literal fistful of Willow Trees, a Silver Center cent, well over 100 pieces of additional Mass silver, other notable colonial rarities (many plated in Crosby and other standard references), an original CSA half, and some other fun things. The collection contained one certified coin when I first saw the group over the summer. One.

    But all the good coins are known and nearly all are already slabbed, right? >>



    Can you please take a family picture with all of them together? That would be a sight to see. A handful of NE shillings would be incredible.
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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    Awesome! Thanks for showing the image.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Saw this lastnight. Stunning piece and I dont get excited with u.s. coins much anymore. The the toning, photography & everything about the coin is amazing. >>



    Is there a photo that shows off the toning more?

    Awesome coin! image
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  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,093 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That coin is sick. How lucky are we that we collect in the internet age, where we have access to images like this at the push of a button. >>

    image

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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No doubt a terrific piece...but man did that cheek get abused.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Awesome.
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,408 ✭✭✭
    uh...uh...let me gather my thoughts and get back with ya on that amazing example

    thanks for sharing
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,623 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This coin is a perfect example of why people should not get all hung up on "perfection." The coin has a few problems. I don't care. I would be most pleased and proud to own it.
    TD
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  • SoCalBigMarkSoCalBigMark Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That coin is sick. How lucky are we that we collect in the internet age, where we have access to images like this at the push of a button. >>



    Indeed.
  • Sunshine Rare CoinsSunshine Rare Coins Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can't wait to see the coin at lot viewing!

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  • Sunshine Rare CoinsSunshine Rare Coins Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭✭✭
    See first post

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  • winkywinky Posts: 1,671 ✭
    Too bad it is a Electrotype but I would still love to have like all of you.
  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WOW! Just WOW! So who is going to take the hit on that? Will Stacks make the owner whole????
  • valente151valente151 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭
    I wonder if they know much about the coin as an electrotype, i.e. if it was done at the mint like the 1804 dollar that was slabbed a few years ago. I'd assume if they have history of it, it could still have value.
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  • indeetlibindeetlib Posts: 607 ✭✭
    Yikes!! It does have an electro kind of look to it.

    Looks like the electrotype may have been made from the following disme in copper that's plated in the Breen Proof book. Notice the contact marks in the reverse fields. Maybe someone has a better image of this coin?

    image
    image

    Edited to add:

    Oh, duh, there it is right in coinfacts. Judd-10, PCGS MS62BN:
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