Dave & Adams are now sealing the older boxes they sell
ndleo
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I just bought 1985 Topps Football Wax Box from D&A. When it arrived the box was sealed and had a label on the bottom. I haven't purchased an older box from D&A in a while so this is the first time I saw this. Do you think the D&A seal will get a premium in the future?
Mike
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I think it will cause problems down the road. How hard can it be to shrink wrap a fake box and counterfeit a BBCE label (especially the old clear label)? Presto - a "1979" box gets sold and stays sealed with 36 1988 Donruss packs in it. I'm sure this could be Jose (Pepis)'s new business model. >>
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Where did I miss BBCE in this thread? Isn't this thread about Dave&Adams?
I don't see counterfeiting BBCE wrap and stickers as an issue, personally, but that's jmho. If one is especially skeptical, you can always have Steve inspect the box and rewrap it for a nominal fee of $5.00.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I would not put the premium as high as BBCE, but when buying direct from the seller, it does add at least a layer of confidence. >>
For what its worth, I agree with this. If I was buying to open, this seal/sticker from a reputible dealer would be enough for
me. If Im buying to put on the shelf, Im gonna need the BBCE authentication. Just because of the reputation Steve and BBCE
carry in the hobby. Thats my $.02.
<< <i>This will help the bubble get bigger.
The number of unopened threads has slowed to a crawl in relation to a few months ago.
Have prices leveled off?
I agree this "sealed box" craze could become a scammers dream come true. Big prices and it could possibly be easier to fake than resealing a rack or cello.
They call me "Pack the Ripper"
I mainly buy from BBCE and D&A. D&A tends have good sales once in a while. The just had a 5% off sale which I used for the 1985 T FB Box.
They call me "Pack the Ripper"
<< <i>What about a pops report ? >>
Monday.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>The number of unopened threads has slowed to a crawl in relation to a few months ago. >>
It's been wonderful
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<< <i>The number of unopened threads has slowed to a crawl in relation to a few months ago. >>
It's been wonderful
I found many of them interesting and fun. Since I am not seeing as many touting the unreal rates of return I just assumed things might have leveled off.
It will be interesting to see looking back if the FASC thread was the Alibaba moment.
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<< <i>This will help the bubble get bigger.
The number of unopened threads has slowed to a crawl in relation to a few months ago.
Have prices leveled off? >>
Thankfully, yes!
The market was rising at such a ridiculous rate for such an extended period of time, it was bound to level off and has been for past few months. The FASC thread had/has no bearing on that at all.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Availability of 1976 and earlier continues to be extremely limited, unfortunately.
<< <i>Agree. Prices have leveled off for late 1970s to early 1980s, and even pulled back some from the early summer. I honestly don't really recall many people talking/bragging about the incredible rates of return as much as I do people complaining about the price increases.
Availability of 1976 and earlier continues to be extremely limited, unfortunately. >>
+1
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>This will help the bubble get bigger.
The number of unopened threads has slowed to a crawl in relation to a few months ago.
Have prices leveled off? >>
Thankfully, yes!
The market was rising at such a ridiculous rate for such an extended period of time, it was bound to level off and has been for past few months. The FASC thread had/has no bearing on that at all. >>
Simply meant when euphoria reached a climax.
<< <i>Simply meant when euphoria reached a climax. >>
ask your doctor if Unopened is right for you.
I would say interest is just as strong but the bull run had to level off at some point, which is a good thing, imo.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Are 1980 Topps boxes down to $850? I saw someone posted in B/S/T looking to pay that and thought he was crazy but then found some completed sales on eBay for around that price. Were those just outliers? Because they were flying off the BBCE shelf at $1150 at one point. >>
I never understood the rise of the 1980 T BB Wax Box. That happened too fast considering the product.
There is still good value in lower cost boxes - 1985 Topps BB, 1985-87 Topps Football.
<< <i>Are 1980 Topps boxes down to $850? I saw someone posted in B/S/T looking to pay that and thought he was crazy but then found some completed sales on eBay for around that price. Were those just outliers? Because they were flying off the BBCE shelf at $1150 at one point. >>
The peak was $1,100 on those and Steve still has them priced at that point but that year is more plentiful than others preceding it and prices on open market have pulled back to about $875 on ebay. 1980 was one of those years that really skyrocketed. It wasn't more than 2-3 years ago you could find a 1980 box at about $350.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i><< Agree. Prices have leveled off for late 1970s to early 1980s, and even pulled back some from the early summer. I honestly don't really recall many people talking/bragging about the incredible rates of return as much as I do people complaining about the price increases.
Availability of 1976 and earlier continues to be extremely limited, unfortunately. >>
+1 >>
Steve has had 1975 Topps mini wax boxes for sale on his website as well as other 1975 unopened material available for awhile now. Has prices stabilized for that year as well? I don't currently collect 1975, but looking back, I can't remember things like this lasting this long. In the past, I could remember him listing an item like a 1975 Topps mini box, and within a day or two it was gone. I agree that 76 and earlier is much more difficult to find, but do you think prices are at or near where they are going to be even on 76 and prior for awhile to come? Or is 1975 material more prevalent than other years for the early-mid 70's?
Jimmy
Dave
Is this an outlier because it had such a strong run up?
Is this an outlier because it had such a strong run up?
But I think at a slower pace than a few months ago.
Everybody, believe the bubble!! Get out now!! Im an aggressive buyer at %40
of market value
Edit: Dang freezing computer!!
<< <i>The bulk of what I collect is still climbing
But I think at a slower pace than a few months ago.
Everybody, believe the bubble!! Get out now!! Im an aggressive buyer at %40
of market value >>
40% of market value?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>So 1980 has corrected by just under 23% from its peak.
Is this an outlier because it had such a strong run up? >>
That, and the fact that boxes have been fairly plentiful in past few months, compared to other years.
Also, I'd say that while the "peak" for 1980 wax boxes may have been $1,100, that average retail prices were closer to around 1K. Current retail is around $875, so the correction is closer to 12-15%.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>The bulk of what I collect is still climbing
But I think at a slower pace than a few months ago.
Everybody, believe the bubble!! Get out now!! Im an aggressive buyer at %40
of market value >>
40% of market value? >>
Having internet troubles right now. I just pulled the %40 out of my arse
Without going into the subject too deep, what Im getting at is if Legit unopened
crashes, the hobby crashes! Think about it.
If u collect PSA10's, best chance is in unopened
If u collect packs, best chance is in unopened
If u collect sticks of gum, best chance is in unopened
Kids just got home, gonna have to get off here for a few min.
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<< <i>
<< <i>The bulk of what I collect is still climbing
But I think at a slower pace than a few months ago.
Everybody, believe the bubble!! Get out now!! Im an aggressive buyer at %40
of market value >>
40% of market value? >>
Having internet troubles right now. I just pulled the %40 out of my arse
Without going into the subject too deep, what Im getting at is if Legit unopened
crashes, the hobby crashes! Think about it.
If u collect PSA10's, best chance is in unopened
If u collect packs, best chance is in unopened
If u collect sticks of gum, best chance is in unopened
Kids just got home, gonna have to get off here for a few min. >>
I can't see the unopened product crashing to levels of 40% of the current market. That just seems so extreme. All markets move up and down so anything is possible but that would take a massive decline in the economy because there is pent up demand at lower levels.
Naturally you don't expect that but even guys like me who for the most part stick to a specific genre would become buyers. That is good for the folks holding the product. A certain floor does exist. Not sure exactly where but it is probably higher then some think.
A pull back was bound to happen in some of these unopened products. Big deal to anyone who didn't buy in the past six to nine months.
<< <i>This will help the bubble get bigger.
And your deriding what other board members collect or spend their money on should help this board be a better place?
Snorto~
<< <i>Agree. Prices have leveled off for late 1970s to early 1980s, and even pulled back some from the early summer. >>
I can't speak to baseball, but for football it is a mixed bag compared to before the national.
A few prices have continued to climb considerably (i.e. 1977, 1981, & 1984), some are creeping up slowly (i.e. 1978, 1979, & 1986-1988), while others largely stagnate (i.e. 1980, 1982 & 1983).
So overall, not nearly the frenzy we saw earlier in the year as the market seems to think current levels are about right.
BBCE currently has 1978, 1980-1982, 1984, 1986, and 1987-1988 boxes on the site... earlier in the year it wasn't uncommon for them to have only 1 or 2 boxes from 1978-1988 that would last longer than a day or two!
Snorto~
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<< <i>Agree. Prices have leveled off for late 1970s to early 1980s, and even pulled back some from the early summer. >>
I can't speak to baseball, but for football it is a mixed bag compared to before the national.
A few prices have continued to climb considerably (i.e. 1977, 1981, & 1984), some are creeping up slowly (i.e. 1978, 1979, & 1986-1988), while others largely stagnate (i.e. 1980, 1982 & 1983).
So overall, not nearly the frenzy we saw earlier in the year as the market seems to think current levels are about right.
BBCE currently has 1978, 1980-1982, 1984, 1986, and 1987-1988 boxes on the site... earlier in the year it wasn't uncommon for them to have only 1 or 2 boxes from 1978-1988 that would last longer than a day or two!
Snorto~ >>
'84 'and '86 football has been on the BBCE website for months.........but these have been X out boxes.
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<< <i>Agree. Prices have leveled off for late 1970s to early 1980s, and even pulled back some from the early summer. >>
I can't speak to baseball, but for football it is a mixed bag compared to before the national.
A few prices have continued to climb considerably (i.e. 1977, 1981, & 1984), some are creeping up slowly (i.e. 1978, 1979, & 1986-1988), while others largely stagnate (i.e. 1980, 1982 & 1983).
So overall, not nearly the frenzy we saw earlier in the year as the market seems to think current levels are about right.
BBCE currently has 1978, 1980-1982, 1984, 1986, and 1987-1988 boxes on the site... earlier in the year it wasn't uncommon for them to have only 1 or 2 boxes from 1978-1988 that would last longer than a day or two!
Snorto~ >>
I agree that the supply of later 70s and the early 80s BB unopened has loosened up recently. I still think the pre-1978 (other than 1975 as previously mentioned) still remains very limited.
Dave
Other factors to note are that Steve had listed an 80-81 basketball box for $3,500 yesterday and it sold rather quickly. He's also listed 81 and 82 topps baseball rack boxes that have sold fairly quickly at $400. I've also seen 85 football selling for good prices lately ($350).
I think, if anything, the people that bought for "investment" purposes, aren't seeing the appreciation that was once almost a weekly increase and new price setter. In addition, the higher the prices got, the more product that got released into the market, and now we have more supply at the current price than demand is dictating.
However, how many of you would be jumping over a BBCE sealed box of 78 topps for $1,800, a BBCE sealed box of 79 topps for $1,500 and a BBCE box for $800 right now? Asking this question two years ago there would have been no takers. Food for thought.
Jeremy