New York City PNG Show

Yorkshireman

I love coin shows!
I did not attend this show as I live too far away.
However the reports I have read, from both dealers and collectors, were not encouraging.

If you went to the show, what did you think?

ianrussell

I really wish there was a major NY show on a regular basis. I love the city and we do have a lot of clients in the area. But I fear a one-off show anywhere never really works - it needs to be regular and built up over several years (or more).

- Ian

Boosibri

I found the auction results to be weak

ScarsdaleCoin

What people fail to realize is that people who collect coins are from surrounding areas Long Island, Westchester, CT, New Jersey and they really do not like the hassle and expense to go to a NYC show...

ianrussell

<< <i>What people fail to realize is that people who collect coins are from surrounding areas Long Island, Westchester, CT, New Jersey and they really do not like the hassle and expense to go to a NYC show... >>



When I lived in New Jersey, I loved an excuse to go into the city. If it's a good enough show, people will travel.

- Ian

SullivanNumismatics

<< <i>I really wish there was a major NY show on a regular basis. I love the city and we do have a lot of clients in the area. But I fear a one-off show anywhere never really works - it needs to be regular and built up over several years (or more).

- Ian >>

I agree, and I'd set-up at a major show in New York if one was started up.

CCC2010

People are starving for a regular New York coin show. The only coin shop we can find here is Stacks and what have you. One has to go outside the city to find the others and since most of us are spoiled by public transportation like buses and taxis and the subway we do not want the hassle of going outside the city either. I for one would attend a regular New York City coin show. There was this comic show i attended under the Church hall in Manhattan one time and it was very well attended. Its this church behind the beautiful Time warner building in Columbus Circle right beside Fordham Law School and Roosevelt Hospital. A really nice safe area too accessible to all public transport.

MrEureka

The ANA conventions in NYC have been well attended and fabulous, so the expense of NYC is not an automatic deal-killer.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the ANA may be the only organization with the clout to make it work.

Steve

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Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the ANA may be the only organization with the clout to make it work. >>



What about Whitman Publishing? How about it Dennis?

Steve

Nic

<< <i>The ANA conventions in NYC have been well attended and fabulous, so the expense of NYC is not an automatic deal-killer.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the ANA may be the only organization with the clout to make it work. >>



This!

I was hoping NYC would get another before Phili.

K

DeliaBug

What about NY INC? Every January. No US coinage - world and ancients only, going 43 years strong. Someone apparently knows how to do it right.

DaveG

Of all the shows in the NYC area, I think the biggest and best attended is the first-Sunday-of-the-month show in Parsippany, NJ. It has about 80 dealers and a crowded bourse floor.

I think all the others are pretty small (20-40 tables), except for the quarterly Westchester Show (which has been on life-support for at least a decade) and the annual GSNA show (which is mid-size, but has a very loyal following).

If I recall correctly, the ANA board member who posts here explained why NYC doesn't work for the ANA anymore (back when the ANA voted to put the 2018 show in Philly).

After all, the last ANA show in NYC was in 2002 and what worked then may not work now.

I think that if you're going to have a coin show in NYC, it needs to be a high-end show (like the PNG show).

The NY International is a great show (and does have US coins - you just have to know who to ask) in a very split-up-among-six-rooms venue, but I wouldn't be surprised if part of what makes it work is a special deal from the venue (Waldorf Hotel). With the recently announced sale of the Waldorf, who knows if the new owners will extend the deal?

SullivanNumismatics

I would think Whitman might would do it. I don't see the ANA doing it anytime soon since they're calendar is filled up for a while and since they dropped the Fall ANA show. I would think it would be a hit. I wonder if Stacks would ever consider hosting a show in conjunction with a major auction?

ebaytrader

If this isn't a case of "it must be in the city" then there is a nearby large facility with the added bounus of free parking in Edison NJ. While it isn't big enough for the ANA, a promoter would have the space available for a very large regional+ or national show. The only stoppers would be costs, union rules, and sales tax considerations.

135k sq ft convention hall just outside NYC.

WTCG

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<< <i>What people fail to realize is that people who collect coins are from surrounding areas Long Island, Westchester, CT, New Jersey and they really do not like the hassle and expense to go to a NYC show... >>



When I lived in New Jersey, I loved an excuse to go into the city. If it's a good enough show, people will travel.

- Ian >>



That depends on the specific demographic. The group Ian and I belong to agree with him. The group that constitutes the vast majority of the coin universe share the sentiment Jon alluded to.

NYC is a great place to spend time in but it is very expensive compared to the cities on the normal coin show circuit.

WTCG

<< <i>If this isn't a case of "it must be in the city" then there is a nearby large facility with the added bounus of free parking in Edison NJ. While it isn't big enough for the ANA, a promoter would have the space available for a very large regional+ or national show. The only stoppers would be costs, union rules, and sales tax considerations.

135k sq ft convention hall just outside NYC. >>



The problem with Edison, NJ is for the traveling attendees. I've been to Edison and that area is not convenient to train service nor is there much to do in the area. Doing a show in Edison would require a rental car and rental car rates in that area are always obscene.

ebaytrader

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<< <i>If this isn't a case of "it must be in the city" then there is a nearby large facility with the added bounus of free parking in Edison NJ. While it isn't big enough for the ANA, a promoter would have the space available for a very large regional+ or national show. The only stoppers would be costs, union rules, and sales tax considerations.

135k sq ft convention hall just outside NYC. >>



The problem with Edison, NJ is for the traveling attendees. I've been to Edison and that area is not convenient to train service nor is there much to do in the area. Doing a show in Edison would require a rental car and rental car rates in that area are always obscene. >>




As a regional show 90%+ of the dealers / public would be local enough to drive there. If "something to do" were a criteria for holding a coin show then no numismatist would have ever heard of Rosemont. Besides, there's always the city 45 minutes away. As for expensive car rentals - everything for sale or rent within 50 miles of NYC is obscenely over priced.

JBatDavidLawrence

There have been a lot of varied opinions on the show, ranging from Laura's Market Report, to my blog that you can see here: DLRC Blog

The show was small and the attendance wasn't great, but those that actually attended were real collectors, which is exactly why this show was created. It would be silly not to continue having a major show there, but I'm well aware that the costs for putting on the show may be prohibitive. Unfortunately it is difficult to find locations that work at reasonable rates.

The ANA could certainly copy the NY International Show with a multi-floor event and it would do just fine. I attended the 2002 ANA show and the location may have been problematic for some, but it worked just fine. The most important feature of these shows should be exposing the hobby to those that are not involved and to support the business of all of the attendees. There aren't a lot of places in the US that really can do both of those, but when you have a city of nearly 10M, why not give it a shot every 10 years?

As for the PNG show, I hope that they do it again in the future. And while the hotel may not have been the best location for a show, I've been in far worse and would certainly do this one again...

breakdown

I hesitate to comment on the show as I had all of about 40minutes to attend because of work commitments (I work in midtown) and most of my time I spent talking to John at CRO and njcoincrank. I was there Friday afternoon and it was quiet though that is a welcome departure from the aisle squeezing that goes on at Parsippany early on a Sunday morning or the Clifton show. My own opinion is the venue was terrible - low ceilings, poor lighting, bizarre layout. Not sure what the sales tax consequence is since I didn't buy anything, but I assume it is not good. The Milennium is a tired hotel that has the benefit of being in a very central location. Better options in midtown might be slim and none. Too bad as I would like to see this happen annually.
Not sure how many dealers will be back if this show returns although dealers are often hardy/paranoid souls that fear missing that great deal in their own backyard. Sort of like the hardy/paranoid collector that pays admission for 40minutes just because he doesn't want to miss that one Walker he's been looking for....