Best card for price increase over the next 5 years
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Curious to see what the rest of the board thinks will be the best card(s) by player and year 5 years from now in terms of price increase. Will Mantle continue to dominate pulled up by the 1952 rookie, will Clemente continue to climb, will Aaron and Mays finally realize their numbers against history, or will someone else rise?
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<< <i>86 fleer jordan has been steadily increasing >>
Good call - that one has been going up big time the last couple of years.
If you're going to spend that kind of coin, I think you have to ask yourself, "Will Trout hit 500 home runs? 600 home runs? Will he get to 3,000 hits and will he bat .300 for his career? Will he win multiple W.S. rings?"
<< <i>Hate to say it because I'm not a huge modern fan, but barring injury the 2009 Bowman Chrome Mike Trout should continue to rise. Raw base copies are over a grand now and I'm kicking myself for not getting one in the $500-$600 range that they were in before the start of last season. If he keeps up his superb play, which I believe he will, I can see raw base getting into the $2k-$2.5k range in five years. >>
This card has already surpassed the normal 800 price point for modern auto rookie cards. Its seemingly climbing to the 1.2k and 1.5k price point that is normally reserved for champions and record breakers. I think its overpriced or at least at its peak unless he pulls 40/40numbers, triple crown numbers or world titles
To answer the OP question, Buster Posey and Blake Bortles
If one of these ever hit it will go for huge money. Not wrestling card money but major card money.
Clearly wrestling cards have a limit in price but this is a card of one of the greatest pop culture icons of all time.
In the 1980's Hulk Hogan was a bigger star then any athlete from the major sports.
You mix his history with a notoriously difficult card and you get dynamite.
I see the 1925 Exhibit Gehrig and 51B Mick breaking out to new levels with just one splashy hammer price at an AH or on eBay. The Gehrig seems on its way at REA right now in fact. The true rookie year tint knowledge coming to hobby light on the Gehrig has show there are fewer of these in existence than previously thought.
Centering is also catching on and every day we see it causing exceptional examples in that regard to sell for big premiums; I thus think centered examples of icons like the 52T Mick, M101 Ruth, Clemente, Paige SP, basically all the classics, appreciating in that timeframe. I'm continually amazed at how when I look for a card from the 50s to 70s, how maybe 1 out of every 100 cards is perfectly centered.
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* cards of HOF stars who are in their upper 70's-early 80's. As one poster stated don't want to sound grim or morbid but the reality is we don't live forever, and people seem to remember those more fondly once they are no long around. Rookie cards from the 50's will start to rise since they will fit this category - Aaron, Banks, Mays, Kaline, Koufax... I think Mays and Aaron are grossly under appreciated for their numbers.
* players who are considered among the best ever at their position or set marks that won't be approached. Players like Bench, Nolan Ryan, Henderson, Ripken, and Rose if the ban is lifted. I agree that the Bench and Ryan rookies have room to grow.
* very condition sensitive cards of star players - 1976 Brett, 1980 Henderson, 1971 Bench, Rose, Reggie, Ryan...
* Star cards of the 70's. With many who were young children and collected in the 70's as kids approaching their 40's and 50's they now have more disposable income and are wanting to get cards they could not get back in the day but can afford now - 73 Schmidt, 75 Brett.. I think it is also why we are seeing a bump in unopened product from the 70's.
* the other area we are seeing growth is high end, centered examples of HOF players that are setting record prices.
Hope everyone gets the cards they want at the price they want!
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<< <i>From my experience there are no guarantees.
Collecting is a hobby. Why give it a chance to feel like work? >>
You are correct there are no guarantees in life, but people do like to speculate and also be assured they are getting what they pay for - hence PSA exists. I see collecting as a hobby, and one of the reasons to speculate about price and what will go up is that if as a collector I can pick up cards that will increase in value I can then sell them to make money to go get cards for my "collection". When they give away for free all of the cards I enjoyed as a kid and want to collect some of those I won't worry about the financial aspect of collecting, but part of the fun is knowing what will increase and get some of that product to help cover collecting costs of what we as collectors truly want.
Here is one of the Mantle's from old collection that I should have kept for an extra decade or two. Did pretty well when I sold it, and at the time it was one of the nicest I had seen in an 8. Thanks for all of the replies.
* the wrinkles are from the paper not the card. Back before iPhones... I would make color copies of my cards and catalog them for insurance purposes. The neat thing is that since they have serial numbers on them I can possibly buy back some of my old mantles and Williams cards since I still have the sheets - pretty neat to look at now and using my phone is a lot easier than a copier!
<< <i>Great answers and appreciate the replies.......
* players who are considered among the best ever at their position or set marks that won't be approached. Players like Bench, Nolan Ryan, Henderson, Ripken, and Rose if the ban is lifted. I agree that the Bench and Ryan rookies have room to grow........ >>
Look at Randy Johnson's numbers and you should all agree that he is among the top pitchers of all time, despite playing against hitters who were 'roided up. And don't assume that all of his early cards are easy 10s, because they are not.
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<< <i>Great answers and appreciate the replies.......
* players who are considered among the best ever at their position or set marks that won't be approached. Players like Bench, Nolan Ryan, Henderson, Ripken, and Rose if the ban is lifted. I agree that the Bench and Ryan rookies have room to grow........ >>
Look at Randy Johnson's numbers and you should all agree that he is among the top pitchers of all time, despite playing against hitters who were 'roided up. And don't assume that all of his early cards are easy 10s, because they are not. >>
Good one. He is a sleeper for a big bump in card value.
As the #311 goes I also see the 51 Bowman rising. The 311 is slowly pricing itself out of many peoples collections. The 51 B is his true rookie and offers a serious challenge for the collector looking for a top quality specimen in any grade. Between the printing lines, centering and focus issues, this is no easy card to find with strong eye appeal. I can see many collectors going after this relative bargain in the years to come.
The 1986-87 Fleer MJ has seen some major jumps in grades 8-9 recently. PSA 10's have been rock solid as well. By no means scarce but so many collectors that grew up idolizing Mike have cash to burn. Could see this making jumps as well.
Not bad and like others have said Jordan seems to always be moving up.
I would like to see Jim Brown's go up for sure
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Mantle's name will endure, as will all the greats. In a half-century, their cards will only become more treasured relics of Americana due to sheer age. That said, fifty years is a long way out, and it is hard to care about such extreme long-term projections due to the inherent difficulty of modeling anything accurately in that timeframe. There's lots of time to enjoy the cards between now and then.
I have noticed at my son's T-ball class, that fathers there have put legends' names in their sons' lexicons; I see four year-olds who know Mantle, Shoeless Joe, Musial, you name it— whoever their fathers love. That awareness and love has clearly been passed on.
Just look at the guys paying enormous sums for the likes of Ruth, Cobb, and Shoeless Joe pieces today; they never saw those legends play-- or were not even close to being born when they died. Many of us in our thirties are more than barely aware of who Ruth, Gehrig, and Shoeless Joe were.
As to The Mick, I never saw Mantle play and didn't really know who he was until I was in my late teens-- yet today I collect his cards. Same goes for every guy in his late 20s and early 30s now who grew up in the card boom era and holds Mantle cards as the crown jewels of their collection. These collectors will be active for the next 30+ years.
As to monetary value-- If I am eighty-eight years old and my Mantles are worthless (which I would bet the farm is not the case), I personally would not care a lick; I will have owned them and enjoyed them for half a century. That's getting one's money's worth. In fifty years I trust that those of us who have bought Mantle cards will be happy old men who still enjoy those Mantles, and have had too rich a life and have too little time left at that point to get bent out of shape over the monetary value of their cards. But that said, I don't see a gorgeous, centered Mickey Mantle baseball card being a less desirable piece of baseball memorabilia in fifty years. In fact, quite the opposite.
Bottom line, fifty years is a long time to wait for some schadenfreude that likely will never come.
<< <i>As for Mantles, I would like to see the price of Mantle cards in 50 years when most people that are adults will barely know he was. >>
Spot on. I mean after all - look at what happened with the declining price in Ruth cards.
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<< <i>As for Mantles, I would like to see the price of Mantle cards in 50 years when most people that are adults will barely know he was. >>
You mean like Wagner, Cobb, Mattewson, Ruth, Young, and Walter Johnson were to our generation?
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<< <i>You could start a thread called "What do you collect or wish you could afford to collect?", and you would get the exact same answers. >>
Good idea - will start that thread on Thursday.
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<< <i>You could start a thread called "What do you collect or wish you could afford to collect?", and you would get the exact same answers. >>
Good idea - will start that thread on Thursday. >>
Just to be clear, my intention was not to be a smart azz. I see that it could have come across that way. Your question is a fun one to ponder.
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<< <i>You could start a thread called "What do you collect or wish you could afford to collect?", and you would get the exact same answers. >>
Good idea - will start that thread on Thursday. >>
Just to be clear, my intention was not to be a smart azz. I see that it could have come across that way. Your question is a fun one to ponder. >>
You are spot on.
I collect the Wrestling All Stars and would love to have a Hogan 10 if one pops up. That being said I am hearing estimates from a dealer who is active in the set that are dramatically higher then the 10k I think the card should easily bring. In reality this card will land in a non core wrestling card collection if one ever pops.
Of course there's room for all types of discussions but it makes one wonder: when collectors spend time with their cards, are their minds traveling to eras past, or their own childhoods, are they thinking about a great player, his achievements, the obstacles he may have faced in his career, are they thinking about the aesthetic beauty of the card, from its photo to its layout design, its use of color and font, are they thinking about how long it took to find that right card, its rare attributes, are they thinking about the way the world or American culture was during the card's year of issue, maybe the journey it took through time to wind up in their collections-- or are they accounting the dollars for which it can be sold?
<< <i>I can't help noticing how often threads like this surface, focusing on where prices of this or that will be in the future. It feels like there's much less discussion about great athletes or slept-on athletes, their stats, their histories, their great cards, the nuances, rarity, or condition challenges of those cards, etc.
Of course there's room for all types of discussions but it makes one wonder: when collectors spend time with their cards, are their minds traveling to eras past, or their own childhoods, are they thinking about a great player, his achievements, the obstacles he may have faced in his career, are they thinking about the aesthetic beauty of the card, from its photo to its layout design, its use of color and font, are they thinking about how long it took to find that right card, its rare attributes, are they thinking about the way the world or American culture was during the card's year of issue, maybe the journey it took through time to wind up in their collections-- or are they accounting the dollars for which it can be sold? >>
DM - very good point and one to ponder. I fall into both categories - one where I collect based on cards I grew up with, collected, and liked just because they were of my favorite childhood player or had a cool photo. I also collect cards because I feel they have a great potential for price growth in the future based on supply/demand, player popularity, hitting milestones, or just because they are a hot card. I have several PSA cards in my collection that make no sense if you look at my overall collection - 1974 Ralph Garr in PSA 8, 1974 John Mayberry in PSA 8, 1973 Pete Rose, 1990 Leaf Frank Thomas... I have these cards just because I liked how they looked or they were reminders of when I used to collect at a certain time period.
The cards I mainly collect are of favorite players like Bench, Aaron, Ryan, Ted Williams, and Mantle. Funny thing is I did not collect a lot of a Mantle cards because I have Mantle items in my collection that are personal items directly from him from my playing days, and nothing I collect would ever surpass them in value to me personally. Funny thing is young kids see photos of my with him and they don't know who he is - just that he is a Yankee because of his uniform!
<< <i>You could start a thread called "What do you collect or wish you could afford to collect?", and you would get the exact same answers. >>
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<< <i>You could start a thread called "What do you collect or wish you could afford to collect?", and you would get the exact same answers. >>
+1. So true
Interesting to look back at this thread. Definitely right on the Jordan. One just closed in Heritage at $94K. 😳
I dont trust the new cards I think the new cards are propped up by speculation just look at the ETopps cards they all are basically worthless now and in their heyday idiots were paying hundreds of dollars for them.
seeing this post is about 5 years old, this seems fitting.......hehe
"Where do you see yourself in five years?"
"I don't know, I don't have 2020 vision."
After the Jordan worshipping espn series goes away his rookie will fall big time so now is not the time to be buying his RC.
This is funny. Maybe check sold listings. On the eTopps part, at least. I am deep into two particular cards, but just check the amount of eTopps cards that sold over the weekend. And across all sports and not just on ebay but comc, too. Couple 100 were picked up over the weekend.
Some noted ones were a Brady for $2500, Trout $1k, Durant for $800, Lebron obviously, but even Jeters cards were snagged for $100+. A real head scratcher was an Obama card for $125
Theres a lot of sleepers in the brand, for sure. Resurgence for sure.
Jordan went for 96k
Was a little nervous to see what I predicted.
Hogan PSA 10 is 25k all day and probably closer to 50k.
Wow. Check that. Probably closer to a 1000 cards picked up over the last 3 days.
Cal Ripken Jr. 1982 Topps traded is undervalued.
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