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Any Chance for a 7 on this '71 Munson?

PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
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My best measurement of the L/R centering at the worst point is around 73/27, but because the landscape cards have less total border width, the card looks much more OC than that, and I can see them denying it a 7 based on eye appeal. My scanner makes the snow look much more noticeable than it really is.

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  • Baez578Baez578 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭
    I'd say 6
  • DanBessetteDanBessette Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd say 6 >>



    +1
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I must admit this card looks pretty dang similar...

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,741 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Top left corner is more dinged on yours, and centering not quite as good (but close).


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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Top left corner is more dinged on yours. >>



    Slight wear at that corner, but with this centering it's kind of moot, no? If my card was centered the corners are better than a 7 would require.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,741 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Top left corner is more dinged on yours. >>



    Slight wear at that corner, but with this centering it's kind of moot, no? If my card was centered the corners are better than a 7 would require. >>



    The graded card has stronger eye appeal overall imo. I do think you have a shot at a 6 also but you had asked if you had a shot at a 7 which I would strongly doubt.


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  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    I agree that there is no way that gets a "7". Not just on overall eye appeal, but the two left corners (especially the top) are not "7" material IMO. Best of luck if you send it in.
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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I agree that there is no way that gets a "7". Not just on overall eye appeal, but the two left corners (especially the top) are not "7" material IMO. Best of luck if you send it in. >>



    I agree it's not a 7 due to centering, but the corners would not keep it from that grade IMHO. People tend to portray PSA as ultra conservative in these conversations, but there are plenty of 7s with corners like this. The corner wear isn't that noticeable in hand.
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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    If it garnered a PSA 6, I would be happy. I wouldn't be surprised to see it receive a PSA 5. The chances of a PSA 7 are slim and none and slim has already left the building. There's just to much wear on the two left corners and when added to the centering, it just doesn't meet the criteria for a PSA 7.
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you're suggesting there's too much corner wear for a PSA 6, I couldn't disagree more, thanks for the input though.

    In all fairness, the scan does make the lower left corner look almost rounded. In reality, all there is is a tiny touch of wear with a fleck of lost color, I've seen worse corners on PSA 8s. It's interesting how scans, especially when enlarged can exaggerate the hell out of corner wear.
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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One other thing: in my mind, the grading process should go like this:

    Independent of centering, how would the card grade? Does the card have sufficient centering for that grade? If not, the grade should be lowered to the highest grade supporting that centering.

    This Munson certainly has the 80/20 centering required for a 6. So the only way it should not get a 6 is if it wouldn't get a 6 even with perfect centering.

    Does anyone disagree with this line of reasoning?
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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    You're more than welcome to disagree with my assessment. I always wonder why people ask for opinions and then argue or defend when someone offers an opinion that differs with theirs? Submit and see what comes back...
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not submitting it, I don't want it at a PSA 6. And I'm not arguing or defending, I just want to understand the logic behind suggesting this is a 5.
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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In case I'm not being clear enough, my question is:

    Suppose a card would be a PSA 7 if perfectly centered. But it actually has 65/35 centering. Could this card be given a 6? Can a structural 7 that has centering sufficient for a 7 be given a 6 based on the COMBINATION of the wear and centering?
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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>In case I'm not being clear enough, my question is:

    Suppose a card would be a PSA 7 if perfectly centered. But it actually has 65/35 centering. Could this card be given a 6? Can a structural 7 that has centering sufficient for a 7 be given a 6 based on the COMBINATION of the wear and centering? >>



    Yes, but that wasn't the original question. And to be more specific, it would be dependent upon the eye-appeal and the market acceptability of the card as a PSA 6, despite having some PSA 7 or higher characteristics.
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just curious, do the corners look better in this scan?

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  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    I do not believe that the card has a chance of receiving a grade of PSA NM 7. It is more likely to receive a grade of PSA EX-MT 6.
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  • mbz430embz430e Posts: 237 ✭✭


    << <i>I do not believe that the card has a chance of receiving a grade of PSA NM 7. It is more likely to receive a grade of PSA EX-MT 6. >>



    +1. Take away the centering issues with the card then it very well has 7 potential. With the centering and left side corner wear there is no way it gets a 7. I guess you can always look at an 8 and ask yourself if you would pay 7 money for yours. Good luck if you sub.
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