What an incredible find for this ebay buyer
JWBlue
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If the seller knew what he had, he could have charged double and maybe triple.
1984 Donruss wax packs.
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Wax packs
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1984 Donruss Baseball Wax Box (32 Packs - MISSING 4 Packs)
1984 Donruss wax packs.
This image sums everything.
Wax packs
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1984 Donruss Baseball Wax Box (32 Packs - MISSING 4 Packs)
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The seller couldn't get double or triple what he got. BBCE sells packs for $8, or about $100 more for what was offered in that auction. You get packs without stickers on the back and coming from the best possible source. I think that auction went for fair value.
<< <i>I'm not sure exactly what you are asking about removing the price tags and then the packs. Of course you could still easily open the packs. If you are wondering about removing the sticker but not breaking the pack seal, you could probably remove the stickers but would likely leave residue behind. I wouldn't suggest trying.
The seller couldn't get double or triple what he got. BBCE sells packs for $8, or about $100 more for what was offered in that auction. You get packs without stickers on the back and coming from the best possible source. I think that auction went for fair value. >>
I was not clear at all.
The price tags are almost an iron clad guarantee the packs have not been opened. Those price tags are more of a guarantee than any subjective opinion no matter who it is from. The price tags are all on the fold.
<< <i>Should the buyer have any concern about all the yellow staining on the outside of the back of the pack ?
I agree about the sealing though. I think it's kind of cool myself. >>
I spoke to an expert about that. He said that the brown on Donruss wax packs from those years is 100% normal. This was his reply.
<< <i>The brown age spots you see on the back of the wax packs (other packs I asked him about) is very common for early to mid 1980s Donruss packs, and is usually a good sign. I would say they are authentic. >>
Anyway, I e-mailed the seller asking if he would contact the buyer and tell him I would pay double what he paid. As an incentive I said I would pay him $20.00 if the buyer took me up on my offer. I don't think the buyer will take my offer. He probably realizes the value. It depends if he is a collector or seller. Long shot, but who knows?
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<< <i>Should the buyer have any concern about all the yellow staining on the outside of the back of the pack ?
I agree about the sealing though. I think it's kind of cool myself. >>
I spoke to an expert about that. He said that the brown on Donruss wax packs from those years is 100% normal. This was his reply.
<< <i>The brown age spots you see on the back of the wax packs (other packs I asked him about) is very common for early to mid 1980s Donruss packs, and is usually a good sign. I would say they are authentic. >>
Anyway, I e-mailed the seller asking if he would contact the buyer and tell him I would pay double what he paid. As an incentive I said I would pay him $20.00 if the buyer took me up on my offer. I don't think the buyer will take my offer. He probably realizes the value. It depends if he is a collector or seller. Long shot, but who knows? >>
Double? Wow!!!!!
<< <i>You and I have different definitions of the word 'incredible'. >>
A box sold on Aug 8th for $199 shipped. This "incredible find" sold for $158.62 and was missing four packs. Add back $22.11 for the missing packs and you have a total price of $180.73. A profit of
$18.27.
Pretty incredible.
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<< <i>You and I have different definitions of the word 'incredible'. >>
A box sold on Aug 8th for $199 shipped. This "incredible find" sold for $158.62 and was missing four packs. Add back $22.11 for the missing packs and you have a total price of $180.73. A profit of
$18.27.
Pretty incredible. >>
THAT was freeking incredible.
$18.27.
Pretty incredible.
Yes, but were those packs handled by a careless drugstore employee, slammed with a price sticker gun, placed back in the box by the high schooler, thrown onto a shelf in the store and handled repeatedly by small children who were deciding between a pack of cards or a Sugar Daddy? I mean, that has to carry an $18 premium alone, right?
Lee
<< <i>A box sold on Aug 8th for $199 shipped. This "incredible find" sold for $158.62 and was missing four packs. Add back $22.11 for the missing packs and you have a total price of $180.73. A profit of
$18.27.
Pretty incredible.
Yes, but were those packs handled by a careless drugstore employee, slammed with a price sticker gun, placed back in the box by the high schooler, thrown onto a shelf in the store and handled repeatedly by small children who were deciding between a pack of cards or a Sugar Daddy? I mean, that has to carry an $18 premium alone, right?
Lee >>
That sounds fair to me.
I appreciate your caution and concern when it comes to unopened product, but this kind of premium for 1984 Donruss packs (roughly double market price) is, in my opinion, massively overpaying for additional "insurance." I think your money would be much better spent on $8 packs from BBCE or even Dugout Unopened.
I was able to contact the seller. He replied that he did not want to sell them.
Smart man.
<< <i>I was able to contact the seller. He replied that he did not want to sell them.
Smart man. >>
So does this mean he is not going to complete the sale to the buyer that got the incredible deal?
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<< <i>I was able to contact the seller. He replied that he did not want to sell them.
Smart man. >>
So does this mean he is not going to complete the sale to the buyer that got the incredible deal? >>
I meant buyer. The person that bought the cards for $150.00 last week.
I offered $300 plus shipping costs and ebay fees and he said no.
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<< <i>I was able to contact the seller. He replied that he did not want to sell them.
Smart man. >>
So does this mean he is not going to complete the sale to the buyer that got the incredible deal? >>
I meant buyer. The person that bought the cards for $150.00 last week.
I offered $300 plus shipping costs and ebay fees and he said no. >>
pt=US_Baseball&hash=item4adb541a79">36 Packs shipped for $325.90
So what is your rational for not buying a box like this one? Your average pack price is $9.6875 with the lot if you throw in $10 for shipping and with the sealed box it is $9.0527.
Seems like a pretty easy decision here to me.
<< <i>I was able to contact the seller. He replied that he did not want to sell them.
Smart man. >>
Go triple!
EDIT: I wouldnt buy the BBCE box simply because of the sellers choice of item description font.
<< <i>I must be getting old. I still havent found the point anyone is trying to make in this thread >>
I think the take away of this thread is that teenage drugstore employees are armed and targeting kids so they can find wealthy parents to financially provide for them... maybe?
Snorto~
<< <i>I must be getting old. I still havent found the point anyone is trying to make in this thread >>
I think the point is that the thread originator, jwblue wants to see how fast he can make pointless posts, and move up the ladder. I think I was on CU for six months before I got to 20 posts, and he is at 20 in a couple of days.
Kiss me twice.....let's party.
<< <i>I cannot find my emoticon with the gun in the mouth... >>
it is readily available across the street.
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Is this an alt that people have already sniffed out?
If not, I would ask everyone to please consider being a bit more friendly to newcomers here. As a group we tend to be pretty tough on them. Fortunately, some of them stick around anyway and become solid members of the boards.
Again, if this is a well-known person playing an alt, someone please let me know and I will retract my comments.
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I was assuming that the donruss cards probably re-rang some early childhood nostalgia for him, so to run across those ol 84 donruss packs was something that was worth every penny just for memories sake.
who knows what I would pay for my first car, the ol' 85 chevy blazer. things probably only worth $2K now, if that. but if I ran my actual one or even one that closely resembled it, lawd knows....
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I was assuming that the donruss cards probably re-rang some early childhood nostalgia for him, so to run across those ol 84 donruss packs was something that was worth every penny just for memories sake.
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I will be collecting again after not having done it for 25 years. I mentioned this is another thread.
I was a big collector in the mid to late 80's and I was a little late with with being able to collect the 1994 Donruss set. The set was ahead of its time. As for so many others at the time the Mattingly card from that set was just a pipe dream.
I am not clear on the animosity in this thread either.
Evidently my feelings about the premium for finding an almost complete box of the cards with a price tag on the fold of the packs is somehow out of left field. I doubt those tags could be removed and replaced. I read an article by Steve Hart, who most people around here consider some sort of a deity, where he stated he believed 50% of unopened packs on ebay are fraudulent.
Considering the market is with unopened packs is likely at an all time high and the amount of fraud in the segment, finding something like this would absolutely carry a premium. I don't have to be card collecting expert to recognize this.
Summing the thread, last week the 32 pack box for about $160.00 including shipping last week. I was able to contact the buyer through the original seller in order to make an offer for the packs.
Normal price for a 1994 wax box right now is about $250. I ended up offering $350 plus shipping, plus if necessary any ebay or PayPal fees. I have not received a response. I mightl go higher if he bothers to respond. I doubt he will.
Someone in this thread commented about the high number of posts I have since joining last week. Could the number of posts be because I am new again to card collecting and have a lot of thoughts and questions?
Does anyone know where I can find a 1994 Donruss Tony Fernandez PSA 10?
Do a search daily and one will pop up. Look up the completed listings to see final prices to gauge the current market.
I was a big collector in the mid to late 80's and I was a little late with with being able to collect the 1994 Donruss set. The set was ahead of its time. As for so many others at the time the Mattingly card from that set was just a pipe dream.
I am not clear on the animosity in this thread either.
Evidently my feelings about the premium for finding an almost complete box of the cards with a price tag on the fold of the packs is somehow out of left field. I doubt those tags could be removed and replaced. I read an article by Steve Hart, who most people around here consider some sort of a deity, where he stated he believed 50% of unopened packs on ebay are fraudulent.
Considering the market is with unopened packs is likely at an all time high and the amount of fraud in the segment, finding something like this would absolutely carry a premium. I don't have to be card collecting expert to recognize this.
Summing the thread, last week the 32 pack box for about $160.00 including shipping last week. I was able to contact the buyer through the original seller in order to make an offer for the packs.
Normal price for a 1994 wax box right now is about $250. I ended up offering $350 plus shipping, plus if necessary any ebay or PayPal fees. I have not received a response. I mightl go higher if he bothers to respond. I doubt he will.
Someone in this thread commented about the high number of posts I have since joining last week. Could the number of posts be because I am new again to card collecting and have a lot of thoughts and questions?
Does anyone know where I can find a 1994 Donruss Tony Fernandez PSA 10?
I don't think it's really animosity, more good natured-ribbing because you're over-valuing the 32 packs. A few reasons why:
1) 1984 Donruss has never been one of the hot products to go resealing. There are very few hits. Unopened has always carried value because it's hard to find unopened 84D relative to other products in the era, not necessarily because of what might be inside. Putting an 50%+ premium on a box like this because you know for a fact that it's unsearched is not rational. I could see 10-20% max on a box like this.
2) The fact that there are price stickers on the back of the pack means that each and every pack was handled by someone in 1984 who most likely didn't care about being careful. This will make PSA 10s from these packs far less likely. It is also likely that they sat on the shelves, were repackaged and sent somewhere else for aftermarket sale which means the box was handled multiple times in 1984-85 alone.
3) Listen to DPeck, buy the BBCE box if you have to have one. You're overpaying but it beats spending hours looking for a great buy when you're unlikely to find one. Or buy complete sets if you want PSA 10s. You can get 3 nice sets for the price of 1 wax box and the sets will yield way more 10s.
Just some thoughts,
Lee
I remember that card and the Joe Carter being next to impossible to find centered when I was collecting. Not surprised to see its tough.
eBay will be your best bet. I'd recommend saving the search and one will pop up. Probably a $50 card max
Good luck and have fun!
TheClockworkAngelCollection
<< <i>Buy the box that is wrapped by BBCX that I posted. That was inspected by Steve Hart himself and call it a day. >>
Or buy the one BBCE has on their site for $285 instead.
<< <i>Evidently my feelings about the premium for finding an almost complete box of the cards with a price tag on the fold of the packs is somehow out of left field. I doubt those tags could be removed and replaced. I read an article by Steve Hart, who most people around here consider some sort of a deity, where he stated he believed 50% of unopened packs on ebay are fraudulent.
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Maybe the price tags couldn't be removed and replaced, but someone could certainly put an old looking price tag on a fraudulent pack to make it seem legit.
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<< <i>Buy the box that is wrapped by BBCX that I posted. That was inspected by Steve Hart himself and call it a day. >>
Or buy the one BBCE has on their site for $285 instead. >>
Even better idea!
Don't take any offense to the posts in the thread. I realize that might be hard to understand but I promise it is true. This can be a tough crowd when a thread like this is started. You have to understand there are lots of collectors on the board who follow the card market daily and when someone starts a thread that uses the term incredible it catches eyes and in reality the lot was just an average EBAY find.
There are plenty of folks on the boards who have hit 100 bagers on graded cards so we are jaded in reality. I personally got off to a rough start on the boards and in retrospect I realize why. At the time I thought it was funny at first but it didn't take long for it to turn on me and in reality hurt my feelings. I decided at the time that I wasn't going to let a rough start deter me from an online outlet to discuss cards with other collectors. I am glad I made the choice I did and I personally thoroughly enjoy the PSA message boards.
I can't speak for others but I didn't know whether to take your post seriously or not because some quick research would have given you a different perspective on the price point that you were so adamantly suggesting was such a steal. Your further comments of contacting the seller and raising your buy price just added additional confusion to the situation and clearly myself and others took some comedic shots at it in good fun.
If you were being serious I apologize and good luck with your collection. The one thing I can promise you about this site is you will find a wealth of knowledge and it can be a ton of fun.
<< <i>Jwblue,
Don't take any offense to the posts in the thread. I realize that might be hard to understand but I promise it is true. This can be a tough crowd when a thread like this is started. You have to understand there are lots of collectors on the board who follow the card market daily and when someone starts a thread that uses the term incredible it catches eyes and in reality the lot was just an average EBAY find.
There are plenty of folks on the boards who have hit 100 bagers on graded cards so we are jaded in reality. I personally got off to a rough start on the boards and in retrospect I realize why. At the time I thought it was funny at first but it didn't take long for it to turn on me and in reality hurt my feelings. I decided at the time that I wasn't going to let a rough start deter me from an online outlet to discuss cards with other collectors. I am glad I made the choice I did and I personally thoroughly enjoy the PSA message boards.
I can't speak for others but I didn't know whether to take your post seriously or not because some quick research would have given you a different perspective on the price point that you were so adamantly suggesting was such a steal. Your further comments of contacting the seller and raising your buy price just added additional confusion to the situation and clearly myself and others took some comedic shots at it in good fun.
If you were being serious I apologize and good luck with your collection. The one thing I can promise you about this site is you will find a wealth of knowledge and it can be a ton of fun. >>
+1
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<< <i>Jwblue,
Don't take any offense to the posts in the thread. I realize that might be hard to understand but I promise it is true. This can be a tough crowd when a thread like this is started. You have to understand there are lots of collectors on the board who follow the card market daily and when someone starts a thread that uses the term incredible it catches eyes and in reality the lot was just an average EBAY find.
There are plenty of folks on the boards who have hit 100 bagers on graded cards so we are jaded in reality. I personally got off to a rough start on the boards and in retrospect I realize why. At the time I thought it was funny at first but it didn't take long for it to turn on me and in reality hurt my feelings. I decided at the time that I wasn't going to let a rough start deter me from an online outlet to discuss cards with other collectors. I am glad I made the choice I did and I personally thoroughly enjoy the PSA message boards.
I can't speak for others but I didn't know whether to take your post seriously or not because some quick research would have given you a different perspective on the price point that you were so adamantly suggesting was such a steal. Your further comments of contacting the seller and raising your buy price just added additional confusion to the situation and clearly myself and others took some comedic shots at it in good fun.
If you were being serious I apologize and good luck with your collection. The one thing I can promise you about this site is you will find a wealth of knowledge and it can be a ton of fun. >>
+1 >>
+2, a bunch of eclectic, OCD misfits around here I'd say
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<< <i>Jwblue,
Don't take any offense to the posts in the thread. >>
Thank you.
I can see how a reader would think what I posted was off base. My enthusiasm for the set took over.
<< <i>1) 1984 Donruss has never been one of the hot products to go resealing. There are very few hits. Unopened has always carried value because it's hard to find unopened 84D relative to other products in the era, not necessarily because of what might be inside. Putting an 50%+ premium on a box like this because you know for a fact that it's unsearched is not rational. I could see 10-20% max on a box like this.
2) The fact that there are price stickers on the back of the pack means that each and every pack was handled by someone in 1984 who most likely didn't care about being careful. This will make PSA 10s from these packs far less likely. It is also likely that they sat on the shelves, were repackaged and sent somewhere else for aftermarket sale which means the box was handled multiple times in 1984-85 alone.
3) Listen to DPeck, buy the BBCE box if you have to have one. You're overpaying but it beats spending hours looking for a great buy when you're unlikely to find one. Or buy complete sets if you want PSA 10s. You can get 3 nice sets for the price of 1 wax box and the sets will yield way more 10s.
Just some thoughts, >>
I am almost to the point of being paranoid about buying a box that has been tampered with.
There is an irony in that I will be buying this box and never opening it except possibly on my death bed.
<< <i> I'd recommend saving the search and one will pop up. >>
One step ahead.
Who on this forum would be the best person to ask by private message about the reputation of a seller on ebay?
I don't want to ask the question in the forums and possibly have the seller end up being bad mouthed where everyone can read.
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Now that is some funny sh*t.