Video of Ray Rice hitting his then fiance...NFL is a joke!
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A two game suspension...lovely. They are looking really bad today with the video inside the elevator being released.
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Don't miss the game.
Love the guy as a player, but off the field .... idiot.
Dave
<< <i>The real joke is that after the incident happened, the woman thought, "yeah, this is definitely the guy I want to marry". >>
totally agree! In other news for all you overly PC fellas he got banned and cut so chill out it's all good and before you guys jump on me I don't condone what he did at all but Geezuz banning him is a little over the top in my opinion
Someone please tell me again why Goodell is still commish as of this moment?
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The players in the NFL (particularly the younger players who are new to the league and who are not wise to the ways of the world) have money and the material comforts [home, car, clothes, clubbing, good food, vacations, etc.] that make them a target. They may be on the prowl for short term [i.e. one night] companionship, but many of the people [including women] who seek out these players see them as a meal ticket to a "lifestyle" that is otherwise beyond them.
What is the bottom line, core requirements for the "domestic violence" policy to kick in?
If the woman Ray Rice hit in the elevator was not his then fiance [now wife?] and instead was a woman he met the same night he hit her, would him striking her quality as violence that is "domestic"?
Does the domestic violence policy go so far as to apply to any situation where a player hits, yells at, or gives a scathing look to any woman?
I also suspect that many of the situations that result in a player hitting, yelling at or otherwise treating a woman badly do not arise solely in a vacuum. Many women instigate situations that escalate. So it is not always the sole fault of the man [i.e. did not Beyonce's sister administer a beat down on J-Z in an elevator recently?].
Of course, if Ray Rice is thrown out of the league for punching out his then finance, now wife, it is not likely that he will be able to find another job that will pay him the wages he was earning in the NFL. Without him getting paid, I wonder how long his marriage will last? Do you think his wife may decide that he is damaged goods and dump him to go on the hunt for a man who is not banned from the NFL?
It may be that the prospect of their man getting thrown out of the league and losing the lifestyle may cause some of the ladies to think twice about whether they want to get together with a man that can not control his temper and think twice about escalating situations to the point where men lose control. Of course if the particular man has no control anyway and uses violence, threats and intimidation as a way to deal with life and relationships, then cut the guy loose and ban him for life.
It is interesting though how it is expected that NFL players will turn the switch on during games (thus go onto the field with homicidal rage so you play at a high level) and immediately turn the switch off as soon as the game is over (and become Joe normal). Same thing happens with soliders who leave the front lines after a 1 year tour of duty where the daily experience is always be ready to kill or be killed. They leave the front lines and 24 hours later are at home in anytown USA and are expected to just turn off the switch and resume life as Joe Normal.
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Yup....so bizarre.
I predict Rice will never play professional football again. Love it!
Dave
<< <i>Many women instigate situations that escalate. So it is not always the sole fault of the man >>
Stephen A.? That you?
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Is this a serious point, or simply in the spirit of Jonathan Swift? For surely, you can't be that clueless.
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This sounds like a typical excuse used by a defense attorney for a client's violent and criminal behavior. It's never the perpetrator's or the abuser's fault~it's alway someone else's fault or some other combination of sociological factors that "made him to do it," or contributed to his aberrant behavior so we can't hold possibly hold the person responsible for his actions, right? No wonder we have as many problems as we do in society today.
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<< <i>It is interesting though how it is expected that NFL players will turn the switch on during games (thus go onto the field with homicidal rage so you play at a high level) and immediately turn the switch off as soon as the game is over (and become Joe normal). Same thing happens with soliders who leave the front lines after a 1 year tour of duty where the daily experience is always be ready to kill or be killed. They leave the front lines and 24 hours later are at home in anytown USA and are expected to just turn off the switch and resume life as Joe Normal. >>
I enjoy your posts and often times find myself agreeing with you, but with this post (not just the part quoted above), there is so much that is so wrong, I won't bother to address the Ray-is-the-real-victim-here facets, since others are already doing so.
But this part of your post... comparing our amazing soldiers who, for example, may have endured the prolonged hell that was Fallujah & witnessed unimaginable human suffering, to young men paid millions to play a game does a great disservice to the men and women who proudly wear, or have worn, the military uniform.
Snorto~
Perhaps some of these abusive athletes could be helped to see the error of their ways instead of banning them from making a living at football and possibly making things worse for their wives!
Hope Ray Rice can learn to control his temper.
TOTALLY knee-jerk decision with NO THOUGHT of the people involved!
Teams would be fielding 7 players per side though if every suspensionable offense were revealed.
<< <i>Banning him as not only over the top but in all probability will make it harder for him and his wife to get the help they BOTH obviously need. >>
The suspension has absolutely nothing to do with them. It has nothing to do with their ability or inability to work things out. And it certainly has nothing to do with the NFL preserving or ruining their "happiness". It has absolutely everything to do with sending a message to all NFL players that they better keep their hands off of women. Their happiness is a small price to pay for the many women that will benefit by the NFL's decision in the future.
For example does the policy apply to:
1. children of the player;
2. parents of the player;
3. grandparents of the player;
4. siblings of the player; and/or
5. aunts, uncles, nieces and nephews of the player?
Further, does the policy only get applied to situations where the victim happens to be female? Or does it apply to male victims?
Further, does the policy only apply in situations where their is physical contact inflicted on the victim? Or does it extend to verbal violence, or other types of conduct which would be considered abusive?
<< <i>If this were Calvin Johnson I promise you the Ravens would not have cut him. Rice had a subpar year last Season, that played a big role in him getting cut in my opinion.... >>
The video was quite damning. Tough to keep anyone onboard after that. Michael Vick would be done if his transgressions were recorded.
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<< <i>If this were Calvin Johnson I promise you the Ravens would not have cut him. Rice had a subpar year last Season, that played a big role in him getting cut in my opinion.... >>
The video was quite damning. Tough to keep anyone onboard after that. Michael Vick would be done if his transgressions were recorded. >>
I Agree it was horrific but I think a team would find some "Treatment" program for a Superstar
<< <i>I Agree it was horrific but I think a team would find some "Treatment" program for a Superstar >>
The Left is on the warpath (sorry) over an 80 year old team name.
We live in a different time when multi million dollar execs fold like an old newspaper. Cross the PC line and you are done, kaput, finisto.
• Violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence and sexual assault that involve physical force will be subject to enhanced discipline. A first offense will be subject to a suspension of six weeks without pay. Mitigating circumstances will be considered, and more severe discipline will be imposed if there are aggravating circumstances such as the presence or use of a weapon, choking, repeated striking, or when the act is committed against a pregnant woman or in the presence of a child. A second offense will result in banishment from the league; an offender may petition for reinstatement after one year but there is no assurance that the petition will be granted. These disciplinary consequences apply to all NFL personnel.
Bosox1976
I guarantee you this: Adam Silver would have gotten it right.
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Bosox1976
<< <i>Let me say this fellas, I actually just saw the video today and without question I am good with Rice getting this punishment, I was under the impression that he smacked his wife with an open hand slap which Im absolutely against but didnt think the punishment should have been so severe. After watching the video I was shocked that he not only punched her but knocked her out but also his reaction afterwards, he basically stood there not caring if he killed her then dragged her body like a carcass, I sincerely apoligize to my fellow CU friends here about my initial post. I did not know the severity of the incident, now that I know what happened and saw the video you guys are right 100%. >>
Wow, Paul, now I totally understand where you were coming from. Back when this story broke in February (?), I didn't give it much attention. I expected Rice would have to sit out a few games and attend some domestic violence course. It was a messed up situation, one that is sadly repeated hundreds if not thousands of times a day, but I viewed it largely as a private matter between the Rice's. However, seeing that video made it a huge issue for me. The sheer brutality of the attack and callousness afterwards was nothing short of abhorrent. Seeing the elevator footage decisively changed my view, so I can certainly understand how it changed yours as well.
As discussed in another thread on the topic, this is just becoming an overblown circus. I expected a suspension... not sure the Ravens cutting, and NFL indefinitely suspending, him was warranted... but, then again, such decisions aren't made in a bubble (other considerations come into play as well). I hope Rice gets the help he needs and has an opportunity to make amends to his wife, as well as has an opportunity to play football again after a lengthy suspension.
Snorto~
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<< <i>I Agree it was horrific but I think a team would find some "Treatment" program for a Superstar >>
The Left is on the warpath (sorry) over an 80 year old team name.
We live in a different time when multi million dollar execs fold like an old newspaper. Cross the PC line and you are done, kaput, finisto. >>
Really? Who are these multi-million dollar execs who are 'done' for having 'crossed the PC line'? I'm not asking for your (surely) exhaustive list of examples, but a half-dozen or so names would be helpful.
Also-just to clarify- we're saying this is a bad thing, right? So, in the case of someone like Donald Sterling, we might say that his forced sale of the Clippers is down to the pressure put upon the NBA by the 'PC Police', and that this forced sale was unfortunate and lamentable. Am I following this correctly?
I do hope one way or the other she gets away from that thug and gets the help/recovery she needs.
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<< <i>Really? Who are these multi-million dollar execs who are 'done' for having 'crossed the PC line'? >>
Was referring to the limp wristed execs that are quick to pull the plug on any athlete or team boss that steps over the perceived PC line. Sterling was hung out to dry in a couple days by Silver and most of the NBA owners including the Hawks owner that became collateral damage. Cuban was the only one that offered a bit of logical reflection.
Include of course the ad execs that dumped Paula Dean and Tiger Woods to the curb. Of course they are all squeaky clean and have never been unfaithful to their spouses.
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<< <i>Really? Who are these multi-million dollar execs who are 'done' for having 'crossed the PC line'? >>
Was referring to the limp wristed execs that are quick to pull the plug on any athlete or team boss that steps over the perceived PC line. Sterling was hung out to dry in a couple days by Silver and most of the NBA owners including the Hawks owner that became collateral damage. Cuban was the only one that offered a bit of logical reflection.
Include of course the ad execs that dumped Paula Dean and Tiger Woods to the curb. Of course they are all squeaky clean and have never been unfaithful to their spouses. >>
Maybe they have, and maybe they haven't. Of course they have skeletons in their closets - we all do. But, what they also have are multi-billion dollar businesses. They'd be freakishly stupid to not pay attention to which way the PC wind is blowing. The Clippers and Ravens had to do what they did. Nike and other sponsors had to drop Tiger Woods, as did Paula Deen's sponsors. To do otherwise would do a tremendous disservice to their shareholders. It's easy to scream, "HYPOCRISY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" from where we sit, but we're not responsible for shareholders and hundreds/thousands of employees that are potentially affected by the failure to pay attention to social issues like this.
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<< <i>Really? Who are these multi-million dollar execs who are 'done' for having 'crossed the PC line'? >>
Was referring to the limp wristed execs that are quick to pull the plug on any athlete or team boss that steps over the perceived PC line. Sterling was hung out to dry in a couple days by Silver and most of the NBA owners including the Hawks owner that became collateral damage. Cuban was the only one that offered a bit of logical reflection.
Include of course the ad execs that dumped Paula Dean and Tiger Woods to the curb. Of course they are all squeaky clean and have never been unfaithful to their spouses. >>
I don't get it. You said these execs are 'done for having crossed the PC line', yet these examples only point to celebrities that have made an ill-advised misstep.
<< <i>Nike and other sponsors had to drop Tiger Woods, as did Paula Deen's sponsors. >>
Nike stayed with Woods. Most of his other sponsors dropped him. Paula Dean story was insane. Didn't know who she was before the incident. It was a stupid, gut decision witch hunt of the highest order. Any business can run itself as it pleases, but a bit of though before dropping the guillotine blade goes a long way.
So. How much thought over what period of time is appropriate in a situation like this? A week? Two weeks? How much money are you willing to lose and how much public backlash and negative publicity are you willing to endure before making a statement? Paula Deen story was insane, huh? Do you seriously think her sponsors were on the wrong side of dealing with her disgusting racist statements? Stupid, gut decision witch hunt of the highest order? Really?
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<< <i>For those of you who don't understand why Ray's I hope soon-to-be EX-wife has so far responded the way she did, look up Stockholm Syndrome. Both me and my wife are abuse victims/survivors (in my wife's case you can add sexual abuse to the list) and even now, over ten years after I left home for good and got my own place, I still consider myself "stupid" sometimes for not being "stronger" or recognizing it and leaving sooner.
I do hope one way or the other she gets away from that thug and gets the help/recovery she needs. >>
Estil, I wanted to respond to your post for a number of reasons most importantly though I wanted to acknowledge your admission of being abused along with your wife, and tell you its good to hear that your in a good place and live a happy homelife.
That being said, Im not 100% sure she suffers from stockholm syndrom or not. Like others have said in this thread as well as other threads its very possible she does suffer from that syndrom however its very possible she is trying to protect her husband from the media because its shedding a bigger light on this bad subject- so much that it was enough to have her husband lose millions of dollars. Thats MILLIONS of dollars this is costing the Rice Family, we need to keep that in mind.
I dummy this down for myself and break it down in my mind like this..
It was a Horrific Brutal attack
Alchohol/drugs might have impaired him enough to act like this
She might have told him she slept with a close friend or his brother for godsakes
Everyone makes mistakes and nobody is perfect
Mrs.Rice Might suffer from Stockholm Syndrom
Mrs.Rice might be most angry about the lifestyle change due to losing millions of dollars and might be putting on an act to help her husband get his job back
Its none of our bussiness nor is it anyone elses to say that Ray Rice should never be able to play Football again
Dont act like an animal and hit people, especially woman
NFL Players are not Law Enforcement and Im not so sure they should be held to a higher standard
<< <i>You're right. I was mistaken about Nike. Gatorade, Gillette and AT&T dropped him. You may have heard of them. They're kind of a big deal. A gazillion shareholders. Hundreds of thousands of employees between them. >>
....and who is looking smarter today?
"Oh dear, a professional athlete was caught having extramarital affairs".
That is earth shattering news.
Nike took the correct approach. They cut back on the promos for a while, assessed their investment in the athlete and weighed the pushback from the mad left. That is how a company that I want to be invested in should act.
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<< <i>Banning him as not only over the top but in all probability will make it harder for him and his wife to get the help they BOTH obviously need. >>
The suspension has absolutely nothing to do with them. It has nothing to do with their ability or inability to work things out. And it certainly has nothing to do with the NFL preserving or ruining their "happiness". It has absolutely everything to do with sending a message to all NFL players that they better keep their hands off of women. Their happiness is a small price to pay for the many women that will benefit by the NFL's decision in the future. >>
This has nothing to do with them? Are you saying these two and their personal problems don't matter because we "need" to send a message?
Of course it affects their ability to work things out!
At this point in his career, this could be an end to any chance of playing football again. This in itself could make him feel there is no reason to get help for his anger issues. If there are no consequences remaining there is also less motivation to seek help.
Not to mention how this changes her life! If they stay together, their income is going to be drastically reduced and that hurts her. Her "getting rid of this thug" doesn't solve anything either if either one or both of them continue to choose the same kind of partner.
I guess if no one really cares about this woman (or her husband, think what you want, he needs help) your thinking is correct.
Don't fool yourselves, a "death penalty" for reporting that your husband hits you in a second offense is going to STOP many women from reporting it, if it means she is going to lose her lifestyle and potentially her family.
Treatment for abusers and the people they abuse is the BEST hope to reduce this problem.
The almighty NFL is made up of people, getting the ones who need help the help they need will make it better. Not by simply banning them.
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<< <i>You're right. I was mistaken about Nike. Gatorade, Gillette and AT&T dropped him. You may have heard of them. They're kind of a big deal. A gazillion shareholders. Hundreds of thousands of employees between them. >>
....and who is looking smarter today?
"Oh dear, a professional athlete was caught having extramarital affairs".
That is earth shattering news.
Nike took the correct approach. They cut back on the promos for a while, assessed their investment in the athlete and weighed the pushback from the mad left. That is how a company that I want to be invested in should act. >>
Who are the people in this 'mad left'? And which of these people were screaming for Tiger to be dropped by Nike?
Edit to add: Still waiting for you to provide the laundry list of multi-million dollar execs whose careers have been ruined by 'refusing to toe the PC line'. The suspense is killing me!
<< <i>Edit to add: Still waiting for you to provide the laundry list of multi-million dollar execs whose careers have been ruined by 'refusing to toe the PC line'. The suspense is killing me! >>
Not to step on anyone's argument, but I can think of several within the past couple months:
1) Bruce Levenson: Atlanta Hawks owner forced out for writing an honest email about concerns about his company.
2) Desmond Hague: Centerplate CEO fined $100,000 (and subsequently removed) for kicking a dog in an elevator. Note, I do not approve of his actions, but 20 years ago this would not have been an issue.
3) Donald Sterling
4) Possible Roger Goodell??
I do not condone any of the actions of the above people, but they were all forced out because of the PC police.
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<< <i>Edit to add: Still waiting for you to provide the laundry list of multi-million dollar execs whose careers have been ruined by 'refusing to toe the PC line'. The suspense is killing me! >>
You misunderstood my post. The multimillion dollar execs are the geniuses that are cutting the ad and endorsement deals on impulse rather than logic and benefit of any real thought.
Still, as JHS noted, several have been axed and add to the list the most egregious example of all, Brandon Eich of Mozilla. You have Google.....look it up.
<< <i>Who are the people in this 'mad left'? >>
In the case of Roger Goodell, the National Organization of Women is foaming at the mouth and several members of congress have demanded zero tolerance for abuse.
That sounds all well and good, but not all charges or abuse turn out to be credible as the Ray Rice case was. Want to dump a franchise quarterback due to what becomes a bogus charge, have way with it. We seem to have too much offense in the NFL now anyway.
What should the NBA have done with Kobe a decade ago. Man was charge with rape and charges were later dropped. Kobe did though write a large check to the "victim". Should he have been banned for life based on the accusation? I don't know, but at least give it a bit of thought first.
Couple of days later the commish dropped the hammer on Sterling and the wimp ad guys came crawling back. Of course had they just sat back for a week, they would have looked much less stupid and reactionary.
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Estil, I wanted to respond to your post for a number of reasons most importantly though I wanted to acknowledge your admission of being abused along with your wife, and tell you its good to hear that your in a good place and live a happy homelife. >>
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In the case of Roger Goodell, the National Organization of Women is foaming at the mouth and several members of congress have demanded zero tolerance for abuse. >>
Given the disaster that has resulted in zero tolerance in schools (look it up) I would not like anything with "zero tolerance" because all that does is end up hurting innocent people. Let's just keep it really simple...Ray Rice was caught abusing his spouse and he will pay the price as should anyone who treats people (especially loved ones) that way.
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