<< <i>* Certain dealers have fallen off that used to be big time in terms of sales and inventory - kind of sad to see. Some new ones have emerged, and the best inventory I saw of PSA items was Card Country - just outstanding stuff from the 50's through the 70's and prices were accurate. >>
Best inventory, maybe but Card Country has been a nightmare to deal with for me. They backed out of deal after money had been exchanged, saying they made a mistake in pricing. Trying to trade with them is very frustrating having to tell me how awful my cards are and how theirs are all undergraded and how they are all going to be resubmitted, blah blah blah.
I don't like song and dance sellers, just put a price out, give me a trade or cash value and we can get on with business. I don't need to hear how it took 20 years to track down a 71 Rose as nice as the one I am holding and I will never find one that nice again.
Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set
<< <i>* Certain dealers have fallen off that used to be big time in terms of sales and inventory - kind of sad to see. Some new ones have emerged, and the best inventory I saw of PSA items was Card Country - just outstanding stuff from the 50's through the 70's and prices were accurate. >>
Best inventory, maybe but Card Country has been a nightmare to deal with for me. They backed out of deal after money had been exchanged, saying they made a mistake in pricing. Trying to trade with them is very frustrating having to tell me how awful my cards are and how theirs are all undergraded and how they are all going to be resubmitted, blah blah blah.
I don't like song and dance sellers, just put a price out, give me a trade or cash value and we can get on with business. I don't need to hear how it took 20 years to track down a 71 Rose as nice as the one I am holding and I will never find one that nice again. >>
I wanted to purchase a 1975 Topps card graded PSA 8.5 from Card Country The past four sales in this grade on VCP have been around $40 They had it at $150, and he said he might come down to $125 but that would be the bottom. They had two other cards that I also wanted, but their starting prices were so much higher than reality, there is really no point in negotiating so I just walked away.
<< <i>Just think of what I could add to my collection with the 3500 dollars I did not spend traveling to Cleveland to attend the national. >>
unless you live overseas or were staying at the ritz carlton, i think i could have priced you a trip for the entire show plus admission for quite a bit less than this
Jeff and Family at Card Country were very helpful during the National. Jeff actually held a card and let me have first right of refusal. He has quality and prices it accordingly. I'm the type that tried to get the Chili's waitress to discount one of our guy's meals due to he could not eat the bread on a hamburger..LOL
<< <i>Jeff and Family at Card Country were very helpful during the National. Jeff actually held a card and let me have first right of refusal. He has quality and prices it accordingly. I'm the type that tried to get the Chili's waitress to discount one of our guy's meals due to he could not eat the bread on a hamburger..LOL >>
Jeff his dad and mom are really quality people. Does Jeff ask a premium for his cards.....yes but he typically carries high grade, high quality cards. I have never had an issue dealing with Jeff and would buy from him without hesitation.
<< <i>Don't take this personally but your perception of reality on #4 is way off:
4) Some dealers do not understand cash sales do not incur eBay, paypal, shipping fees...thus they could discount the card In reality, some collectors do not realize dealers pay $1000+ for a table, several hundred in traveling expenses and labor if they choose to employ help. That's a tough nut to get back and turn a profit on top. Overhead on setting up at the National is way higher for most dealers than selling on ebay, except for a select few super high volume dealers. The sad reality is that probably 70% of the National dealers have no business setting up there because they don't turn enough of a profit to make it worthwhile. If they spent a solid 5 days listing on ebay they would make way more on the same exact cards.
6) You must attend at least 1 National before you can be considered a collector. Just an absurd statement. Someone who is trying to collect every Isaac Bruce card and scours ebay daily for them is just as much of a collector as you or I, regardless of whether he or she ever attends a National. >>
+1 >>
One thing about some of the dealers is the National is a "vacation" for them and this may be the only show they do all year. There is still a cadre of dealers this is true for and for them the dollar volume may not matter as much as you would think.
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<< <i>Jeff and Family at Card Country were very helpful during the National. Jeff actually held a card and let me have first right of refusal. He has quality and prices it accordingly. I'm the type that tried to get the Chili's waitress to discount one of our guy's meals due to he could not eat the bread on a hamburger..LOL >>
Jeff his dad and mom are really quality people. Does Jeff ask a premium for his cards.....yes but he typically carries high grade, high quality cards. I have never had an issue dealing with Jeff and would buy from him without hesitation.
Mark >>
The issue I have with them is they backed out of a deal and lied to my face. Secondly they price cards about like 707 does so if you like paying way more than its worth go ahead. That is another issue, if you sell at crazy high prices you shouldn't lowball and they do.
I have many dealer friends and none have treated me like these guys have
Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set
Morgoth, Totally unethical. Thanks for the heads up. What are the details? Was it something he hadn't priced in awhile and looked up current prices after he agreed with you? Sounds like a few companies we know.
<< <i>Jeff and Family at Card Country were very helpful during the National. Jeff actually held a card and let me have first right of refusal. He has quality and prices it accordingly. I'm the type that tried to get the Chili's waitress to discount one of our guy's meals due to he could not eat the bread on a hamburger..LOL >>
Jeff his dad and mom are really quality people. Does Jeff ask a premium for his cards.....yes but he typically carries high grade, high quality cards. I have never had an issue dealing with Jeff and would buy from him without hesitation.
Mark >>
The issue I have with them is they backed out of a deal and lied to my face. Secondly they price cards about like 707 does so if you like paying way more than its worth go ahead. That is another issue, if you sell at crazy high prices you shouldn't lowball and they do.
I have many dealer friends and none have treated me like these guys have >>
Are you sure you've got the right person? He's a local for me here in Indy and a really nice and stand up guy.
<< <i>The issue I have with them is they backed out of a deal and lied to my face. Secondly they price cards about like 707 does so if you like paying way more than its worth go ahead. That is another issue, if you sell at crazy high prices you shouldn't lowball and they do.
I have many dealer friends and none have treated me like these guys have >>
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<< <i>The issue I have with them is they backed out of a deal and lied to my face. Secondly they price cards about like 707 does so if you like paying way more than its worth go ahead. That is another issue, if you sell at crazy high prices you shouldn't lowball and they do.
I have many dealer friends and none have treated me like these guys have >>
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I don't think morgoth is neccssarily attacking anyone, just posting his personal experience with a card seller. That said, perhaps Jeff can chime in on this thread to clear the air.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Jason: I've purchased from Jeff at CC and have found him to be fair and reasonable. Not sure what happened, but would figure that it is the exception rather than the rule. I understand their pricing and the premium asked for the quality that they are offering. Some may not...
Jason (morgoth)- I remember that in 2010 you posted about that situation when my dad misread the price sheet and accidentally quoted the wrong price to you. I didn't realize that you're still upset about it. I'd be happy to try to work something out to try to make you feel better about it. As for your mention of my minimizing the quality of your cards, I spent a couple thousand dollars on your cards when you were set up at the fishers show. Obviously I thought they were nice. Also, You never indicated a problem dealing with me then, and I have done many deals with your friends.
As for my cards- I try to buy cards that are high end for the grade. I pay well for them, and I operate at the high end of the market on them. It is not my speculation though that many of my cards are worthy of bumps. In fact here are several cards that I have sold just in the past few months that I know have bumped:
1955 Clemente Psa 8 to Psa 8.5. (Dan's that he posted) 1948 Berra Psa 8 to Psa 8.5 1951 ford Psa 7 to Psa 8 1965 carlton Psa 8 to Psa 9 1970 Munson Psa 8 to Psa 9 1966 mantle Psa 8 to Psa 8.5 1962 Brock Psa 8 to Psa 8.5 1965 rose Psa 8 to Psa 9 1967 Seaver Psa 7 to Psa 8
And these are just a few that I know about. I'm sure there are many more, as many guys but my cards with the intent of getting bumps. I'd welcome a conversation with you if you'd like. Please feel free to contact me.
Jeff
Jeff Foy/Dave Foy Card Country Graded stars 1950's-1980
Jeff~very quick and professional response. Always good to hear both sides of the story!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I met Jeff and his family for the first time at the national this year and could not have been more pleased with the service and help. Bought several nice cards from him, and will continue to do so in the future. IMO he has the best inventory in the biz with all high end quality items, and I have bought from everyone in the hobby going back to Craig at Quality Cards to Bruce, Brian, Kurt, Ric....looking forward to doing a lot more business with him in the future.
I remember when I thought a Hank Aaron BVG 9 was overpriced at $6,000. Sure, it was in a Beckett slab but, oh man, if it could have crossed over. I also recall working out a deal with a 79 OPC hockey wax box at $12,000,attempted to negotiate down to $10,000 cause I thought it was too high. Ughhhh
<< <i>The issue I have with them is they backed out of a deal and lied to my face. Secondly they price cards about like 707 does so if you like paying way more than its worth go ahead. That is another issue, if you sell at crazy high prices you shouldn't lowball and they do. >>
I respect your opinion above, but I can certainly tell you that my experiences with Jeff are not even close. True, Jeff is not the low cost leader when it comes to the cards he sells, but I feel like to attack Jeff on his selling prices is to be ignorant to how difficult it is to acquire the 600+ cards in the grades he carries. I know of no one else else that carries the depth of post war rookies and HOFers in the vast selection of grades than Jeff. Aside from those that went to the National and shared their experiences on the boards, I have spoken to many dealer friends who have all unsolicited commented on the inventory and quality of product that Jeff was carrying at the show. Lastly, I collect high end HOF rookies and I will tell you Jeff is the first guy I reach out to when I decide to sell something in my collection. Yea, he doesn't always want what I am selling, but without a doubt he pays better than anyone else that I know of in the hobby. Jeff has been extremely good to me over the last few years, so I admittedly have a biased opinion, but our hobby could stand to have many more Jeff Foy's standing behind the tables at shows!
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<< <i>I found the show this year to be VERY baseball heavy. Understandable and was cool looking at some of the cards you'll never see anywhere else. But as a collector of the 70's Steelers it was extremely lacking. And I'm not talking about pricing or grades, I'm talking NONE to be found for sale. For example and hopefully this isn't being picky, but not one Jack Ham RC Psa 8 or 9 was found for sale....not one? Why do think a bunch of Steelers signing autographs , because the team is popular to collectors, but yet those players cards were not there to purchase in any grade.
I understand once you narrow your collecting focus, it's harder to come across cards. But if I can't find ANYTHING to purchase at a giant show like the Nationals, it left me frustrated and puzzled. Just my 2 cents. >>
Agreed. My want list is pretty small as I finish off sets so I'm trying to just buy them graded, and bought only 2 cards. Was also looking for 1997 sp Walter Jones rookies and the response I got was "look in the common box" or "who's that?". Meanwhile he's down the road being inducted in Canton......
Nothing but positive for Jeff and family in running his business. I've purchased a number of items from him. You pay a premium but you get what you pay for. Lots of business models operate like this.
So you were unhappy with him. Sounds like you didn't bother to resolve it directly with Jeff first via phone or email but resorted to bashing him on cu? That's just plain lazy.
<< <i>Jason (morgoth)- I remember that in 2010 you posted about that situation when my dad misread the price sheet and accidentally quoted the wrong price to you. I didn't realize that you're still upset about it. I'd be happy to try to work something out to try to make you feel better about it. As for your mention of my minimizing the quality of your cards, I spent a couple thousand dollars on your cards when you were set up at the fishers show. Obviously I thought they were nice. Also, You never indicated a problem dealing with me then, and I have done many deals with your friends.
As for my cards- I try to buy cards that are high end for the grade. I pay well for them, and I operate at the high end of the market on them. It is not my speculation though that many of my cards are worthy of bumps. In fact here are several cards that I have sold just in the past few months that I know have bumped:
1955 Clemente Psa 8 to Psa 8.5. (Dan's that he posted) 1948 Berra Psa 8 to Psa 8.5 1951 ford Psa 7 to Psa 8 1965 carlton Psa 8 to Psa 9 1970 Munson Psa 8 to Psa 9 1966 mantle Psa 8 to Psa 8.5 1962 Brock Psa 8 to Psa 8.5 1965 rose Psa 8 to Psa 9 1967 Seaver Psa 7 to Psa 8
And these are just a few that I know about. I'm sure there are many more, as many guys but my cards with the intent of getting bumps. I'd welcome a conversation with you if you'd like. Please feel free to contact me.
Jeff >>
<< <i>Jason (morgoth)- I remember that in 2010 you posted about that situation when my dad misread the price sheet and accidentally quoted the wrong price to you. I didn't realize that you're still upset about it. I'd be happy to try to work something out to try to make you feel better about it. As for your mention of my minimizing the quality of your cards, I spent a couple thousand dollars on your cards when you were set up at the fishers show. Obviously I thought they were nice. Also, You never indicated a problem dealing with me then, and I have done many deals with your friends.
As for my cards- I try to buy cards that are high end for the grade. I pay well for them, and I operate at the high end of the market on them. It is not my speculation though that many of my cards are worthy of bumps. In fact here are several cards that I have sold just in the past few months that I know have bumped:
1955 Clemente Psa 8 to Psa 8.5. (Dan's that he posted) 1948 Berra Psa 8 to Psa 8.5 1951 ford Psa 7 to Psa 8 1965 carlton Psa 8 to Psa 9 1970 Munson Psa 8 to Psa 9 1966 mantle Psa 8 to Psa 8.5 1962 Brock Psa 8 to Psa 8.5 1965 rose Psa 8 to Psa 9 1967 Seaver Psa 7 to Psa 8
And these are just a few that I know about. I'm sure there are many more, as many guys but my cards with the intent of getting bumps. I'd welcome a conversation with you if you'd like. Please feel free to contact me.
Jeff >>
Hi Jeff,
Here are the reasons why it sucked.
1. I asked about the price was given a quote and then offered cards to trade and you weren't interested. I then went and sold cards to be able to buy the Robinson card. 2. I then came back ready with the cash and had card in hand and cash in your dad's hand when told the price was incorrect. I was now out of luck on the Robinson as the new price was too high and out of cards I sold. 3. You never offered to make things right then when it mattered. I did complain at the time and just got a sorry. 4. By the time I realized who you were at Fishers show I had already quoted you prices and didn't want to back out on you. However in this hobby sometimes you end up doing deals with folks you have had bad experiences with. I will say I gave you good deals that day. 5. It really does bug me when you talk down about the quality of cards when making a deal, and you do that. Maybe you feel you need to, to get better deals but it bothers me. I try and buy high end for the grade to so its personal when you say stuff like "how did this get an 8" etc. I refuse to sell to Alan Rosen or 707 for that reason. 6. I agree you have awesome selection and quality and are nice people. I just don't like being told my cards suck and switching prices. 7. Next chicago show I promise to stop by and I don't want a handout but if we can make a solid Vcp for Vcp trade with room for you to make some profit on a card I need I will consider all past forgotten and never mention it again.
Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set
<< <i>Nothing but positive for Jeff and family in running his business. I've purchased a number of items from him. You pay a premium but you get what you pay for. Lots of business models operate like this.
So you were unhappy with him. Sounds like you didn't bother to resolve it directly with Jeff first via phone or email but resorted to bashing him on cu? That's just plain lazy. >>
I did complain at the time but got a sorry and a shrug. I have only posted about them as a contrast to others experiences as I had an opposite experience than most. I know I am in the minority but I will say I have never had a dealer back out of a deal once pricing has been established so maybe I am just lucky and feel that is the norm.
Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set
1. I asked about the price was given a quote and then offered cards to trade and you weren't interested. I then went and sold cards to be able to buy the Robinson card. 2. I then came back ready with the cash and had card in hand and cash in your dad's hand when told the price was incorrect. I was now out of luck on the Robinson as the new price was too high and out of cards I sold. 3. You never offered to make things right then when it mattered. I did complain at the time and just got a sorry. 4. By the time I realized who you were at Fishers show I had already quoted you prices and didn't want to back out on you. However in this hobby sometimes you end up doing deals with folks you have had bad experiences with. I will say I gave you good deals that day. 5. It really does bug me when you talk down about the quality of cards when making a deal, and you do that. Maybe you feel you need to, to get better deals but it bothers me. I try and buy high end for the grade to so its personal when you say stuff like "how did this get an 8" etc. I refuse to sell to Alan Rosen or 707 for that reason. 6. I agree you have awesome selection and quality and are nice people. I just don't like being told my cards suck and switching prices. 7. Next chicago show I promise to stop by and I don't want a handout but if we can make a solid Vcp for Vcp trade with room for you to make some profit on a card I need I will consider all past forgotten and never mention it again. >>
What was the original price quoted and what was the price when you returned? Also what Robinson card was it and the grade?
<< <i>2. I then came back ready with the cash and had card in hand and cash in your dad's hand when told the price was incorrect. I was now out of luck on the Robinson as the new price was too high and out of cards I sold. >>
Card Country should have honored the quote and considered it tuition for a lesson learned instead of just saying whoopsie. That to me would have been better than the amount of potential customer eyes that are reading about it now.
Just say someone gives you a price on a card of $100. How long does a dealer/seller have to honor that price for? I know vintage doesn't fluctuate like modern can, but think about this example:
I pull a Jeremy Lin autograph and post it on a forum on Monday. A buyer asks me how much, I say $10 dlvd. Tuesday night, Jeremy Lin cards take off and it's now selling for $50. If the buyer comes back to me Tuesday night and says he wants it, do I need to honor the $10 price? If so, how long would I have to honor it for?
Back to this situation. If a dealer tells you $500 and you don't buy it right away, why must he honor that offer? Did you ask him to hold it and say you would be back shortly with the funds for it? Or did you just walk away and say you would think about it? Just trying to get more details on the situation.
<< <i>Jeff and Family at Card Country were very helpful during the National. Jeff actually held a card and let me have first right of refusal. He has quality and prices it accordingly. I'm the type that tried to get the Chili's waitress to discount one of our guy's meals due to he could not eat the bread on a hamburger..LOL >>
Jeff his dad and mom are really quality people. Does Jeff ask a premium for his cards.....yes but he typically carries high grade, high quality cards. I have never had an issue dealing with Jeff and would buy from him without hesitation.
Mark >>
The issue I have with them is they backed out of a deal and lied to my face. Secondly they price cards about like 707 does so if you like paying way more than its worth go ahead. That is another issue, if you sell at crazy high prices you shouldn't lowball and they do.
I have many dealer friends and none have treated me like these guys have >>
At this point you are better off dropping the whole thing rather than this constant whining about a deal from 2010?! All you are doing is making everyone in the industry look bad with your crying about something from 4 years ago. Man up and move along already.
Funny thing is you mention 707 as an example, and I have a simple way of dealing with people who price way above the market price - I don't buy from them and don't deal with them. Had 707 price me out a 1968 Mantle in PSA 8, and they quoted $1000 for the card. I asked if they could double check since it was double SMR and the card typically sells for $475-550 all day every day. They told me there was no way I would find that card for under $1000, and I politely informed them that I has seen 4-5 of them at various tables for under $500 all day. I was told that was not possible so I said thank you and walked a couple of aisles over and bought a nice one for $475.
Point is I could get pissy and complain about it, but it is a lot easier to move along and deal with people I want to deal with. I might suggest you try it as well - makes the hobby more enjoyable.
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<< <i>* Certain dealers have fallen off that used to be big time in terms of sales and inventory - kind of sad to see. Some new ones have emerged, and the best inventory I saw of PSA items was Card Country - just outstanding stuff from the 50's through the 70's and prices were accurate. >>
Best inventory, maybe but Card Country has been a nightmare to deal with for me. They backed out of deal after money had been exchanged, saying they made a mistake in pricing. Trying to trade with them is very frustrating having to tell me how awful my cards are and how theirs are all undergraded and how they are all going to be resubmitted, blah blah blah.
I don't like song and dance sellers, just put a price out, give me a trade or cash value and we can get on with business. I don't need to hear how it took 20 years to track down a 71 Rose as nice as the one I am holding and I will never find one that nice again.
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<< <i>* Certain dealers have fallen off that used to be big time in terms of sales and inventory - kind of sad to see. Some new ones have emerged, and the best inventory I saw of PSA items was Card Country - just outstanding stuff from the 50's through the 70's and prices were accurate. >>
Best inventory, maybe but Card Country has been a nightmare to deal with for me. They backed out of deal after money had been exchanged, saying they made a mistake in pricing. Trying to trade with them is very frustrating having to tell me how awful my cards are and how theirs are all undergraded and how they are all going to be resubmitted, blah blah blah.
I don't like song and dance sellers, just put a price out, give me a trade or cash value and we can get on with business. I don't need to hear how it took 20 years to track down a 71 Rose as nice as the one I am holding and I will never find one that nice again. >>
I wanted to purchase a 1975 Topps card graded PSA 8.5 from Card Country
The past four sales in this grade on VCP have been around $40
They had it at $150, and he said he might come down to $125 but that would be the bottom.
They had two other cards that I also wanted, but their starting prices were so much higher than reality, there is really no point in negotiating so I just walked away.
<< <i>Just think of what I could add to my collection with the 3500 dollars I did not spend traveling to Cleveland to attend the national. >>
unless you live overseas or were staying at the ritz carlton, i think i could have priced you a trip for the entire show plus admission for quite a bit less than this
<< <i>Jeff and Family at Card Country were very helpful during the National. Jeff actually held a card and let me have first right of refusal. He has quality and prices it accordingly. I'm the type that tried to get the Chili's waitress to discount one of our guy's meals due to he could not eat the bread on a hamburger..LOL >>
Jeff his dad and mom are really quality people. Does Jeff ask a premium for his cards.....yes but he typically carries high grade, high quality cards. I have never had an issue dealing with Jeff and would buy from him without hesitation.
Mark
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<< <i>Don't take this personally but your perception of reality on #4 is way off:
4) Some dealers do not understand cash sales do not incur eBay, paypal, shipping fees...thus they could discount the card
In reality, some collectors do not realize dealers pay $1000+ for a table, several hundred in traveling expenses and labor if they choose to employ help. That's a tough nut to get back and turn a profit on top. Overhead on setting up at the National is way higher for most dealers than selling on ebay, except for a select few super high volume dealers. The sad reality is that probably 70% of the National dealers have no business setting up there because they don't turn enough of a profit to make it worthwhile. If they spent a solid 5 days listing on ebay they would make way more on the same exact cards.
6) You must attend at least 1 National before you can be considered a collector.
Just an absurd statement. Someone who is trying to collect every Isaac Bruce card and scours ebay daily for them is just as much of a collector as you or I, regardless of whether he or she ever attends a National. >>
+1 >>
One thing about some of the dealers is the National is a "vacation" for them and this may be the only show they do all year. There is still a cadre of dealers this is true for and for them the dollar volume may not matter as much as you would think.
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<< <i>Jeff and Family at Card Country were very helpful during the National. Jeff actually held a card and let me have first right of refusal. He has quality and prices it accordingly. I'm the type that tried to get the Chili's waitress to discount one of our guy's meals due to he could not eat the bread on a hamburger..LOL >>
Jeff his dad and mom are really quality people. Does Jeff ask a premium for his cards.....yes but he typically carries high grade, high quality cards. I have never had an issue dealing with Jeff and would buy from him without hesitation.
Mark >>
The issue I have with them is they backed out of a deal and lied to my face. Secondly they price cards about like 707 does so if you like paying way more than its worth go ahead. That is another issue, if you sell at crazy high prices you shouldn't lowball and they do.
I have many dealer friends and none have treated me like these guys have
Totally unethical. Thanks for the heads up.
What are the details? Was it something he hadn't priced in awhile and looked up current prices after he agreed with you? Sounds like a few companies we know.
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<< <i>Jeff and Family at Card Country were very helpful during the National. Jeff actually held a card and let me have first right of refusal. He has quality and prices it accordingly. I'm the type that tried to get the Chili's waitress to discount one of our guy's meals due to he could not eat the bread on a hamburger..LOL >>
Jeff his dad and mom are really quality people. Does Jeff ask a premium for his cards.....yes but he typically carries high grade, high quality cards. I have never had an issue dealing with Jeff and would buy from him without hesitation.
Mark >>
The issue I have with them is they backed out of a deal and lied to my face. Secondly they price cards about like 707 does so if you like paying way more than its worth go ahead. That is another issue, if you sell at crazy high prices you shouldn't lowball and they do.
I have many dealer friends and none have treated me like these guys have >>
Are you sure you've got the right person? He's a local for me here in Indy and a really nice and stand up guy.
<< <i>The issue I have with them is they backed out of a deal and lied to my face. Secondly they price cards about like 707 does so if you like paying way more than its worth go ahead. That is another issue, if you sell at crazy high prices you shouldn't lowball and they do.
I have many dealer friends and none have treated me like these guys have >>
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<< <i>The issue I have with them is they backed out of a deal and lied to my face. Secondly they price cards about like 707 does so if you like paying way more than its worth go ahead. That is another issue, if you sell at crazy high prices you shouldn't lowball and they do.
I have many dealer friends and none have treated me like these guys have >>
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I don't think morgoth is neccssarily attacking anyone, just posting his personal experience with a card seller. That said, perhaps Jeff can chime in on this thread to clear the air.
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Fair enough. "pot? This is kettle. You're black." I get it. Touché. I'd edit my post, but Tim already quoted it.
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<< <i>Rule 3) Anyone attacking another poster or making disparaging personal remarks will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings. >>
Who's Babe Ruth?
Fair enough. "pot? This is kettle. You're black." I get it. Touché. I'd edit my post, but Tim already quoted it. >>
We are all guilty at times. Especially ME!!!!!!
I remember that in 2010 you posted about that situation when my dad misread the price sheet and accidentally quoted the wrong price to you. I didn't realize that you're still upset about it. I'd be happy to try to work something out to try to make you feel better about it.
As for your mention of my minimizing the quality of your cards, I spent a couple thousand dollars on your cards when you were set up at the fishers show. Obviously I thought they were nice. Also, You never indicated a problem dealing with me then, and I have done many deals with your friends.
As for my cards- I try to buy cards that are high end for the grade. I pay well for them, and I operate at the high end of the market on them. It is not my speculation though that many of my cards are worthy of bumps. In fact here are several cards that I have sold just in the past few months that I know have bumped:
1955 Clemente Psa 8 to Psa 8.5. (Dan's that he posted)
1948 Berra Psa 8 to Psa 8.5
1951 ford Psa 7 to Psa 8
1965 carlton Psa 8 to Psa 9
1970 Munson Psa 8 to Psa 9
1966 mantle Psa 8 to Psa 8.5
1962 Brock Psa 8 to Psa 8.5
1965 rose Psa 8 to Psa 9
1967 Seaver Psa 7 to Psa 8
And these are just a few that I know about. I'm sure there are many more, as many guys but my cards with the intent of getting bumps.
I'd welcome a conversation with you if you'd like. Please feel free to contact me.
Jeff
Card Country
Graded stars 1950's-1980
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>The issue I have with them is they backed out of a deal and lied to my face. Secondly they price cards about like 707 does so if you like paying way more than its worth go ahead. That is another issue, if you sell at crazy high prices you shouldn't lowball and they do. >>
I respect your opinion above, but I can certainly tell you that my experiences with Jeff are not even close. True, Jeff is not the low cost leader when it comes to the cards he sells, but I feel like to attack Jeff on his selling prices is to be ignorant to how difficult it is to acquire the 600+ cards in the grades he carries. I know of no one else else that carries the depth of post war rookies and HOFers in the vast selection of grades than Jeff. Aside from those that went to the National and shared their experiences on the boards, I have spoken to many dealer friends who have all unsolicited commented on the inventory and quality of product that Jeff was carrying at the show. Lastly, I collect high end HOF rookies and I will tell you Jeff is the first guy I reach out to when I decide to sell something in my collection. Yea, he doesn't always want what I am selling, but without a doubt he pays better than anyone else that I know of in the hobby. Jeff has been extremely good to me over the last few years, so I admittedly have a biased opinion, but our hobby could stand to have many more Jeff Foy's standing behind the tables at shows!
I collect: 80’s Rookies and 86 Fleer Basketball
<< <i>I found the show this year to be VERY baseball heavy. Understandable and was cool looking at some of the cards you'll never see anywhere else. But as a collector of the 70's Steelers it was extremely lacking. And I'm not talking about pricing or grades, I'm talking NONE to be found for sale. For example and hopefully this isn't being picky, but not one Jack Ham RC Psa 8 or 9 was found for sale....not one? Why do think a bunch of Steelers signing autographs , because the team is popular to collectors, but yet those players cards were not there to purchase in any grade.
I understand once you narrow your collecting focus, it's harder to come across cards. But if I can't find ANYTHING to purchase at a giant show like the Nationals, it left me frustrated and puzzled. Just my 2 cents. >>
Agreed. My want list is pretty small as I finish off sets so I'm trying to just buy them graded, and bought only 2 cards. Was also looking for 1997 sp Walter Jones rookies and the response I got was "look in the common box" or "who's that?". Meanwhile he's down the road being inducted in Canton......
So you were unhappy with him. Sounds like you didn't bother to resolve it directly with Jeff first via phone or email but resorted to bashing him on cu? That's just plain lazy.
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I remember that in 2010 you posted about that situation when my dad misread the price sheet and accidentally quoted the wrong price to you. I didn't realize that you're still upset about it. I'd be happy to try to work something out to try to make you feel better about it.
As for your mention of my minimizing the quality of your cards, I spent a couple thousand dollars on your cards when you were set up at the fishers show. Obviously I thought they were nice. Also, You never indicated a problem dealing with me then, and I have done many deals with your friends.
As for my cards- I try to buy cards that are high end for the grade. I pay well for them, and I operate at the high end of the market on them. It is not my speculation though that many of my cards are worthy of bumps. In fact here are several cards that I have sold just in the past few months that I know have bumped:
1955 Clemente Psa 8 to Psa 8.5. (Dan's that he posted)
1948 Berra Psa 8 to Psa 8.5
1951 ford Psa 7 to Psa 8
1965 carlton Psa 8 to Psa 9
1970 Munson Psa 8 to Psa 9
1966 mantle Psa 8 to Psa 8.5
1962 Brock Psa 8 to Psa 8.5
1965 rose Psa 8 to Psa 9
1967 Seaver Psa 7 to Psa 8
And these are just a few that I know about. I'm sure there are many more, as many guys but my cards with the intent of getting bumps.
I'd welcome a conversation with you if you'd like. Please feel free to contact me.
Jeff >>
<< <i>Jason (morgoth)-
I remember that in 2010 you posted about that situation when my dad misread the price sheet and accidentally quoted the wrong price to you. I didn't realize that you're still upset about it. I'd be happy to try to work something out to try to make you feel better about it.
As for your mention of my minimizing the quality of your cards, I spent a couple thousand dollars on your cards when you were set up at the fishers show. Obviously I thought they were nice. Also, You never indicated a problem dealing with me then, and I have done many deals with your friends.
As for my cards- I try to buy cards that are high end for the grade. I pay well for them, and I operate at the high end of the market on them. It is not my speculation though that many of my cards are worthy of bumps. In fact here are several cards that I have sold just in the past few months that I know have bumped:
1955 Clemente Psa 8 to Psa 8.5. (Dan's that he posted)
1948 Berra Psa 8 to Psa 8.5
1951 ford Psa 7 to Psa 8
1965 carlton Psa 8 to Psa 9
1970 Munson Psa 8 to Psa 9
1966 mantle Psa 8 to Psa 8.5
1962 Brock Psa 8 to Psa 8.5
1965 rose Psa 8 to Psa 9
1967 Seaver Psa 7 to Psa 8
And these are just a few that I know about. I'm sure there are many more, as many guys but my cards with the intent of getting bumps.
I'd welcome a conversation with you if you'd like. Please feel free to contact me.
Jeff >>
Hi Jeff,
Here are the reasons why it sucked.
1. I asked about the price was given a quote and then offered cards to trade and you weren't interested. I then went and sold cards to be able to buy the Robinson card.
2. I then came back ready with the cash and had card in hand and cash in your dad's hand when told the price was incorrect. I was now out of luck on the Robinson as the new price was too high and out of cards I sold.
3. You never offered to make things right then when it mattered. I did complain at the time and just got a sorry.
4. By the time I realized who you were at Fishers show I had already quoted you prices and didn't want to back out on you. However in this hobby sometimes you end up doing deals with folks you have had bad experiences with. I will say I gave you good deals that day.
5. It really does bug me when you talk down about the quality of cards when making a deal, and you do that. Maybe you feel you need to, to get better deals but it bothers me. I try and buy high end for the grade to so its personal when you say stuff like "how did this get an 8" etc. I refuse to sell to Alan Rosen or 707 for that reason.
6. I agree you have awesome selection and quality and are nice people. I just don't like being told my cards suck and switching prices.
7. Next chicago show I promise to stop by and I don't want a handout but if we can make a solid Vcp for Vcp trade with room for you to make some profit on a card I need I will consider all past forgotten and never mention it again.
<< <i>Nothing but positive for Jeff and family in running his business. I've purchased a number of items from him. You pay a premium but you get what you pay for. Lots of business models operate like this.
So you were unhappy with him. Sounds like you didn't bother to resolve it directly with Jeff first via phone or email but resorted to bashing him on cu? That's just plain lazy. >>
I did complain at the time but got a sorry and a shrug. I have only posted about them as a contrast to others experiences as I had an opposite experience than most. I know I am in the minority but I will say I have never had a dealer back out of a deal once pricing has been established so maybe I am just lucky and feel that is the norm.
<< <i>1) In general, it appears eBay is the low price place and prices at the National will be 20-30% greater than eBay.
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And reason why I stay home.
IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED
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Hi Jeff,
Here are the reasons why it sucked.
1. I asked about the price was given a quote and then offered cards to trade and you weren't interested. I then went and sold cards to be able to buy the Robinson card.
2. I then came back ready with the cash and had card in hand and cash in your dad's hand when told the price was incorrect. I was now out of luck on the Robinson as the new price was too high and out of cards I sold.
3. You never offered to make things right then when it mattered. I did complain at the time and just got a sorry.
4. By the time I realized who you were at Fishers show I had already quoted you prices and didn't want to back out on you. However in this hobby sometimes you end up doing deals with folks you have had bad experiences with. I will say I gave you good deals that day.
5. It really does bug me when you talk down about the quality of cards when making a deal, and you do that. Maybe you feel you need to, to get better deals but it bothers me. I try and buy high end for the grade to so its personal when you say stuff like "how did this get an 8" etc. I refuse to sell to Alan Rosen or 707 for that reason.
6. I agree you have awesome selection and quality and are nice people. I just don't like being told my cards suck and switching prices.
7. Next chicago show I promise to stop by and I don't want a handout but if we can make a solid Vcp for Vcp trade with room for you to make some profit on a card I need I will consider all past forgotten and never mention it again. >>
What was the original price quoted and what was the price when you returned? Also what Robinson card was it and the grade?
<< <i>2. I then came back ready with the cash and had card in hand and cash in your dad's hand when told the price was incorrect. I was now out of luck on the Robinson as the new price was too high and out of cards I sold. >>
Card Country should have honored the quote and considered it tuition for a lesson learned instead of just saying whoopsie. That to me would have been better than the amount of potential customer eyes that are reading about it now.
I pull a Jeremy Lin autograph and post it on a forum on Monday. A buyer asks me how much, I say $10 dlvd. Tuesday night, Jeremy Lin cards take off and it's now selling for $50. If the buyer comes back to me Tuesday night and says he wants it, do I need to honor the $10 price? If so, how long would I have to honor it for?
Back to this situation. If a dealer tells you $500 and you don't buy it right away, why must he honor that offer? Did you ask him to hold it and say you would be back shortly with the funds for it? Or did you just walk away and say you would think about it? Just trying to get more details on the situation.
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<< <i>Jeff and Family at Card Country were very helpful during the National. Jeff actually held a card and let me have first right of refusal. He has quality and prices it accordingly. I'm the type that tried to get the Chili's waitress to discount one of our guy's meals due to he could not eat the bread on a hamburger..LOL >>
Jeff his dad and mom are really quality people. Does Jeff ask a premium for his cards.....yes but he typically carries high grade, high quality cards. I have never had an issue dealing with Jeff and would buy from him without hesitation.
Mark >>
The issue I have with them is they backed out of a deal and lied to my face. Secondly they price cards about like 707 does so if you like paying way more than its worth go ahead. That is another issue, if you sell at crazy high prices you shouldn't lowball and they do.
I have many dealer friends and none have treated me like these guys have >>
At this point you are better off dropping the whole thing rather than this constant whining about a deal from 2010?! All you are doing is making everyone in the industry look bad with your crying about something from 4 years ago. Man up and move along already.
Funny thing is you mention 707 as an example, and I have a simple way of dealing with people who price way above the market price - I don't buy from them and don't deal with them. Had 707 price me out a 1968 Mantle in PSA 8, and they quoted $1000 for the card. I asked if they could double check since it was double SMR and the card typically sells for $475-550 all day every day. They told me there was no way I would find that card for under $1000, and I politely informed them that I has seen 4-5 of them at various tables for under $500 all day. I was told that was not possible so I said thank you and walked a couple of aisles over and bought a nice one for $475.
Point is I could get pissy and complain about it, but it is a lot easier to move along and deal with people I want to deal with. I might suggest you try it as well - makes the hobby more enjoyable.