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1856 Flying Ealge on Ebay. Uh-oh
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1856-Flying-Eagle-Cent-/141358875759?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item20e9a5446f
So another time I decided to venture into the unknown and I stumble on a 1856 Flying Eagle. I just looked and the bidding is up to almost $1400 but at time it was like $60. I decided to message the seller who also has a 09svdb for sale and had his phone number in the question part of the ad. I decided not to be a creep and message him first.
I asked about the coins and just a little back story on the coins. He gave a solid answer about how he was just a long time collector and decided time to sell it off piece by piece and how he goes few a few coins a day and that is a great way to 'rediscover' his coins.
Now this entire time I can't keep thinking 2 things
1) I've seen about 50 fake 1856 Flying Eagles so odds are simply against it to be real. Add to that it is some new seller on Ebay---the 'odds' of it being real are just super low.
2) That '6' on his coin looks really off.
So I asked the guy if we could meet as I am a state over and that I'd be happy to meet a bank of his choice. He fired back in all caps "NO" and that he won't meet. I said I can understand the concern but I brought up that just a day before I message him he had this exchange with some other Ebayer about his 09svdb:
": I live in Euclid next to Cleveland. Is there any way of meeting so I can check out the coin in person. Thanks!
A: Sure, please call me on Tel. 216-791-6638. I live by Shaker Square"
What a giant reversal all the sudden? I mean he was clearly open to meeting somebody and suddenly it is the worst idea ever.
So I finally asked him if I could call him. He said ok. I called and a woman answered who sounded 'youngish' middle age (I am no expert on guessing age via just a voice) when I mentioned coins she said it was her husband. I told him who I was and then talked coins. Long story----things just don't add up.
He slid into our talk a few times that he is selling 'as is only'. That is scam artists lingo right there. He also displayed the scam artists personality of 'smart but dumb'. What I mean by that is that sometimes he would talk like he knew coins (You would think somebody with a solid 09svdb and 1856 Flying Ealge and says collected for 60 years WOULD know quite a bit); BUT then he would seem to 'play dumb'. Like he had no idea that the 1856 Flying Eagle was rare. He referred to the 1856 as a 'starter' coin. He said it was a bad shape coin and that he just wanted to throw a few coins on Ebay to "learn how to sell on Ebay." What he is trying to do is to make people believe he is sold old guy who has no idea the value he has.
I flagged this coin and hope nobody buys it but because the red flags are just too numerous. One other BIG red flag.
The Ebay account is over 13 years old and he got no feedback for 12 years.
My big question is----how does a guy with 4 feedback over a span of 13 years can suddenly come on and list a few K worth of coins and nothing happen? I mean what about selling limit? Was his account 'grandfathered' in so he can sell all this??
So another time I decided to venture into the unknown and I stumble on a 1856 Flying Eagle. I just looked and the bidding is up to almost $1400 but at time it was like $60. I decided to message the seller who also has a 09svdb for sale and had his phone number in the question part of the ad. I decided not to be a creep and message him first.
I asked about the coins and just a little back story on the coins. He gave a solid answer about how he was just a long time collector and decided time to sell it off piece by piece and how he goes few a few coins a day and that is a great way to 'rediscover' his coins.
Now this entire time I can't keep thinking 2 things
1) I've seen about 50 fake 1856 Flying Eagles so odds are simply against it to be real. Add to that it is some new seller on Ebay---the 'odds' of it being real are just super low.
2) That '6' on his coin looks really off.
So I asked the guy if we could meet as I am a state over and that I'd be happy to meet a bank of his choice. He fired back in all caps "NO" and that he won't meet. I said I can understand the concern but I brought up that just a day before I message him he had this exchange with some other Ebayer about his 09svdb:
": I live in Euclid next to Cleveland. Is there any way of meeting so I can check out the coin in person. Thanks!
A: Sure, please call me on Tel. 216-791-6638. I live by Shaker Square"
What a giant reversal all the sudden? I mean he was clearly open to meeting somebody and suddenly it is the worst idea ever.
So I finally asked him if I could call him. He said ok. I called and a woman answered who sounded 'youngish' middle age (I am no expert on guessing age via just a voice) when I mentioned coins she said it was her husband. I told him who I was and then talked coins. Long story----things just don't add up.
He slid into our talk a few times that he is selling 'as is only'. That is scam artists lingo right there. He also displayed the scam artists personality of 'smart but dumb'. What I mean by that is that sometimes he would talk like he knew coins (You would think somebody with a solid 09svdb and 1856 Flying Ealge and says collected for 60 years WOULD know quite a bit); BUT then he would seem to 'play dumb'. Like he had no idea that the 1856 Flying Eagle was rare. He referred to the 1856 as a 'starter' coin. He said it was a bad shape coin and that he just wanted to throw a few coins on Ebay to "learn how to sell on Ebay." What he is trying to do is to make people believe he is sold old guy who has no idea the value he has.
I flagged this coin and hope nobody buys it but because the red flags are just too numerous. One other BIG red flag.
The Ebay account is over 13 years old and he got no feedback for 12 years.
My big question is----how does a guy with 4 feedback over a span of 13 years can suddenly come on and list a few K worth of coins and nothing happen? I mean what about selling limit? Was his account 'grandfathered' in so he can sell all this??
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GACK!
Run, Forrest, Run!
Yikes!
<< <i>Just look at the five. Why use a dime for a call ? >>
Agreed. Looks like an altered 1858 to me.
<< <i>How can so many bidders be so clueless?
Think there are only about 5 unique bidders....and only 3 of them above $100. Chances are at least ONE of them is a shill.
(Maybe I'm just making excuses, because I want to believe in the inherent intelligence of the human race.)
Odds now heavily favor a reported coin selling over it being nuked.
I just sort of assume that in a situation like this---if one is fake, so is the other.
Maybe that 1962 Penny is real!!! WOOO!!
Sadly, the scammers ruin it for the sellers who have legit coins.
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Surprised he did so but obviously he doesnt believe me
The coin is a very obvious (and not very good) counterfeit. The entire bust is wrong, the rims are wrong, the mintmark is totally wrong, the details on the reverse are all wrong. The fields (on both sides) are flat - real coins then had a slight dish to the design on both sides. Anyone who has handled a real 1909 cent (from either mint) could tell at arm's length that this thing is fake.
I don't know anything about FE cents, but based on what I do know and have seen, that coin's a fake too.
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As goose3 said, the coin is still up, the bids are still over $1300, but the seller added this to the description (I assume from Goose3):
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Q: I can only assume someone prior to me has enlightened you to the fact that this coin is an 1858 that has been altered, and rather poorly at that. The 5 and "6" are completely wrong as is the inside of the O in OF. Frankly I'm shocked that there are enough ignorant bidders to run that up over its real value of a few dollars. I avidly collected Flying Eagles for years and at one time owned two genuine PCGS graded ones. Just thought I would let you know as I'm sure you know the risk involved should you sell this 1858 flying eagle. Good day. Aug-01-14
A: Thank you for your comments, I will post them with the coin.
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<< <i>Just look at the five. Why use a dime for a call ? >>
Agreed. Looks like an altered 1858 to me. >>
I was thinking more along the lines of a cast counterfeit.
[l=the 09-s vdb]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-S-VDB-Lincoln-Cent-/141358869417?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item20e9a52ba9/l] has a mm with the incorrect style and in a position that is publicly unknown to an authentic us mint die. (it is far too high and in the incorrect position)
the flying eagle cent is 99% authentic but altered.
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<< <i>Ended. Relisted as a fake. >>
I always wanted to put together a type set of fakes but thought it would be tough now with all the fakes from China it maybe easier