So, what's special with this coin?

CoinZealot

A proof, or PL?

LINK

CoinZealot

Anyone???

STONE

What coin?

MrHalfDime

Link

BillJones

You need to post a link so that we can transfer to the see the item. The characters you posted don't lead to anywhere.

JJSingleton

If it is real it certainly looks like a proof. Someone took a risk in hopes of a nice win.

CoinZealot

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Here! Thanks

crypto79

Looks like a California proof to these eyes, agreed with somebody taking a chance but I suspect they overpaid above melt. If they don't know what they are looking at they might even think they got a deal when they get it in hand.

CoinZealot

<< <i>Looks like a California proof to these eyes, agreed with somebody taking a chance but I suspect they overpaid above melt. If they don't know what they are looking at they might even think they got a deal when they get it in hand. >>



What is a California proof?

BillJones

I am not familiar with the term "California Proof," but what I see is a coin that is probably genuine, but it has had the main devices frosted in some way with the fields polished to make it look like a cameo Proof. The reason I say that is that I see frost (business strike surfaces) around the devices where the polishing tool could not reach without removing the matte surface from those areas. I would say that there is a 0% chance that this piece is a genuine Proof gold coin.

Here is one Proof gold coin from my collection that you can use to compare.

crypto79

<< <i>"California Proof," but what I see is a coin that is probably genuine, but it has had the main devices frosted in some way with the fields polished to make it look like a cameo Proof. >>



This

CoinZealot

<< <i>I am not familiar with the term "California Proof," but what I see is a coin that is probably genuine, but it has had the main devices frosted in some way with the fields polished to make it look like a cameo Proof. The reason I say that is that I see frost (business strike surfaces) around the devices where the polishing tool could not reach without removing the matte surface from those areas. I would say that there is a 0% chance that this piece is a genuine Proof gold coin.

Here is one Proof gold coin from my collection that you can use to compare.

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How are you 100% sure this is artificial besides just the surfaces? I'm curious.

CoinZealot

And BTW, that's a very nice proof Bill! Added link to OP.

BillJones

Real cameo Proof coins do not have haze around the devices. I also get concerned when I see an out of focus picture on an item that is selling for hundreds or thousands of dollars. The reverse photo is blurry which means it might be hiding something. Those who sell the Chinese counterfeits do this all the time.

CoinZealot

<< <i>Real cameo Proof coins do not have haze around the devices. I also get concerned when I see an out of focus picture on an item that is selling for hundreds or thousands of dollars. The reverse photo is blurry which means it might be hiding something. Those who sell the Chinese counterfeits do this all the time. >>



Bill, is proof-like or DMPL any possibility here?

blu62vette

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<< <i>Real cameo Proof coins do not have haze around the devices. I also get concerned when I see an out of focus picture on an item that is selling for hundreds or thousands of dollars. The reverse photo is blurry which means it might be hiding something. Those who sell the Chinese counterfeits do this all the time. >>



Bill, is proof-like or DMPL any possibility here? >>



no chance.

CoinZealot

Thanks folks. Any other opinions?

TPRC

I agree with what Bill and others have said. The frosting looks too artificial and wasn't done well. I have one proof gold coin, it is a DCAM and it does have some haze, but not like what is shown above by the OP. I'll post 3 different versions of it. The first two are from Todd and the third is from Coin Facts. It is in a PCGS PR63 DCAM holder. These 3 pics are all the same coin, just different "looks."

It came into the coin shop raw and had been in a capital plastics holder. Several of us graded it and I thought it had a shot at 64. I tried to buy it raw but the dealer insisted on getting it certified. When it came back as a 63, I bought it. I showed it to Doug Winter and he liked it very much. The coin looks most like the CoinFacts photo, I think but it does exhibit some haze. Still, it is not the artificial frosting shown in the OP's post.

MsMorrisine

california proof is a term used for a coin polished up to make it look like a proof

and the haze in the date has me especially worried

rawteam1

What's not seen is the word "copy" on the eagle...

CoinZealot

Honestly, I tried sniping this coin for around $950 (because of full returns)
I couldn't believe someone went $1100 on the 1893 $10.
From what I saw, 3 bidders fought hard over this.

Thanks for all the observations, and all more appreciated!

crump41

1893 $10 are often seen prooflike or semi pl, but the areas around the stars and date make me think this coin has been seriously messed with.

steveben

it's doubtful it's a bonafide proof. the pops on those are really low and only ~38 known.

CoinZealot

<< <i>What's not seen is the word "copy" on the eagle... >>



Are you noting that the coin is not genuine?

Kove

Genuine coin, aggressively polished, then artificially frosted. The frost seeping into the fields around the stars, date, and front of the neck are the giveaways.

Treashunt

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you really have to wait more than 21 minutes for a reply


Just saying

pjcoins

I do not think this it is real to be honest with you. Red book says they are supposed to weigh 16.718 Grams. I know its off only by a small amount but these coins were pretty spot on coming from the mint.

Also this is one of his feedbacks

Crooks!Keeps stopping! Plated b/let not gold.No reply.Paypal case opened.Avoid.