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1974 Aluminum Cent tested - 1982 Zinc Used - Why?

MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
Why was aluminum ruled out?

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  • lostincoinslostincoins Posts: 4,278
    Not sure what this is refering to but I would think weight would be a factor. Metal density another. You could even test using conductivity with an ohm meter.
  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Copper industry was probably too powerful (as today) to allow Congress to authorize the metal change.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,903 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mainly lobbying.

    One complaint used against the aluminum format was that the coin was too light, and if you dropped one into a vending machine it might not fall through but instead get hung up in the mechanism.
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  • BustHalfBrianBustHalfBrian Posts: 4,192 ✭✭✭✭
    I always thought it was something about aluminum being toxic when ingested...
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  • OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,173 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Copper industry was probably too powerful (as today) to allow Congress to authorize the metal change.

    WS >>


    Today's cents contain only a trace amount of copper. I can't see how it would be worth a serious lobbying effort.

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  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>was that the coin was too light, and if you dropped one into a vending machine it might not fall through but instead get hung up in the mechanism. >>



    Cap, do you mean counting machines? I can't recall any vending machines accepting cents back in the day.
  • slipgateslipgate Posts: 2,301 ✭✭
    If you've ever handled an aluminum coin you'd know why. They truly are monopoly money and would have cheapened the brand (The US) significantly.
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,253 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>was that the coin was too light, and if you dropped one into a vending machine it might not fall through but instead get hung up in the mechanism. >>



    Cap, do you mean counting machines? I can't recall any vending machines accepting cents back in the day. >>



    the only thing I could think of were gum machines.

    my dad's place had a lion's club 1cent chiclet machine.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,253 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If you've ever handled an aluminum coin you'd know why. They truly are monopoly money and would have cheapened the brand (The US) significantly. >>




    Japan's 1 Yen has been aluminum for yearsand years.

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  • slipgateslipgate Posts: 2,301 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>If you've ever handled an aluminum coin you'd know why. They truly are monopoly money and would have cheapened the brand (The US) significantly. >>




    Japan's 1 Yen has been aluminum for yearsand years. >>



    ?? So?
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Politics... end of story. Cheers, RickO
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,820 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If you've ever handled an aluminum coin you'd know why. They truly are monopoly money and would have cheapened the brand (The US) significantly. >>



    I like aluminum coins though this is relatively new for me and I understand why many
    people don't.

    But I never preferred a little zinc "pill" which is just a toxic slug with a copper coating
    to aluminum. Look at a handfull of pennies and see how ghastly they are. They are
    bleeding corrosion and zinc oxide. They are dirty because they don't circulate.

    We are poorer every time one is made. Throwing them away doesn't help because they
    just make more. Pennies should be recalled for proper disposal and the nickel should
    be made of aluminum. The dollar coin must circulate. Once people are used to the changes
    the nickel can be made a little smaller.

    How could anything be worse than the current situation?
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know why they made them of zinc but apropos to nothing there is a zinc mine on Al Gore's property in TN.
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Mainly lobbying.

    One complaint used against the aluminum format was that the coin was too light, and if you dropped one into a vending machine it might not fall through but instead get hung up in the mechanism. >>

    Ha ha ha! Now this is funny since I don't ever recall "vending machines" taking cents with the exception of the lowly "gumball dispenser"!

    Do vending machine even takes cents today??
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  • pcunixpcunix Posts: 620


    << <i>If you've ever handled an aluminum coin you'd know why. They truly are monopoly money and would have cheapened the brand (The US) significantly. >>



    Yeah, because the zinc crap we have now presents such a high class image.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 36,253 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>

    << <i>If you've ever handled an aluminum coin you'd know why. They truly are monopoly money and would have cheapened the brand (The US) significantly. >>




    Japan's 1 Yen has been aluminum for yearsand years. >>



    ?? So? >>



    I think the design for it makes it look more like Monopoly money. The crappy way aluminum oxidizes doesn't help.

    Spotted and bubbled Zincolns aren't such a good case for our choice either.

    The few pics of the 74 aluminums haven't been so bad looking.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,903 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>was that the coin was too light, and if you dropped one into a vending machine it might not fall through but instead get hung up in the mechanism. >>



    Cap, do you mean counting machines? I can't recall any vending machines accepting cents back in the day. >>



    Doesn't matter. People, especially kids, drop coins into machines that they are not intended for.
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  • MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
    "I always thought it was something about aluminum being toxic when ingested...

    Perhaps so, but zinc is highly toxic when ingested. There are numerous accounts of kids and pets ingesting the zinc cents, and when the stomach acid eats through the thin copper cladding and exposes the zinc, the patient is quickly in trouble.
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Zinc paid more than Aluminum is what I always thought. image
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"I always thought it was something about aluminum being toxic when ingested... >>

    Ya mean like "Zinc Toxicity" ?
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  • TavernTreasuresTavernTreasures Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭
    Copper coated zinc turned out to be the best choice. If aluminum was chosen all existing (1982 and earlier) copper cents would quickly be removed from circulation by people hoarding them because of the obvious difference. But the copper coated zinc cent looks exactly like the (1982 and earlier cents) and it was thought that they would circulate side by side with them. Limiting the hoarding of the earlier coins.
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  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,437 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Politics... end of story. Cheers, RickO >>



    Totally agree. The zinc industry needed some additional uses; and had more effective contacts with Washington. And, though it is still rather light in weight, it would not seem to be quite as 'cheap' as aluminum.
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  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Japan's 1 Yen has been aluminum for years and years. >>



    They don't circulate, nearly everything is rounded to the nearest 10 yen.
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  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>was that the coin was too light, and if you dropped one into a vending machine it might not fall through but instead get hung up in the mechanism. >>



    Cap, do you mean counting machines? I can't recall any vending machines accepting cents back in the day. >>



    The would jam ANY vending machine. The ones that don't take cents should direct the cent back to the coin return, but the aluminum coins are
    so light, they don't trip the coin return mechanism.
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