Opinion on Possible Bump for PSA 9 1978 Murray RC?

grote15 · July 2, 2014 11:09AM

I pulled this card straight from a rack pack several years ago and self-submitted it to PSA. Was just wondering if anyone thought this card had a chance to bump to PSA 10 under review service? Back is clean and perfectly centered.

RookieHOFers · July 2, 2014 11:13AM

L to R centering is the culprit

lawnmowerman · July 2, 2014 11:14AM

Great card but I think the left to right centering affects the eye appeal keeping it from being a 10.

LarkinCollector · July 2, 2014 11:17AM

15-20% chance if snuck into a 4SC sub.

ETA: Great card, nonetheless!

aconte · July 2, 2014 11:18AM

Sweet card but I would agree on the centering.

aconte

jmaciu · July 2, 2014 11:28AM

The L-R centering is within 10 standards, but I wonder if they hold key rookie cards to higher standards.

grote15 · July 2, 2014 11:53AM

Thanks for all the responses, guys! I agree with the consensus, and will keep it in its present holder. Sometimes it helps to get a second (or third, fourth) opinion.

Dpeck100 · July 2, 2014 11:56AM

<< Thanks for all the responses, guys! I agree with the consensus, and will keep it in its present holder. Sometimes it helps to get a second (or third, fourth) opinion.

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How much would a review cost for this card?

grote15 · July 2, 2014 11:57AM

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<< Thanks for all the responses, guys! I agree with the consensus, and will keep it in its present holder. Sometimes it helps to get a second (or third, fourth) opinion.

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How much would a review cost for this card? >>

Nothing. I have a voucher.

Dpeck100 · July 2, 2014 11:59AM

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<< Thanks for all the responses, guys! I agree with the consensus, and will keep it in its present holder. Sometimes it helps to get a second (or third, fourth) opinion.

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How much would a review cost for this card? >>

Nothing. I have a voucher. >>

I say send it in. The upside is thousands which means you get huge bang for your buck. The centering is a touch off but the card is a blazer so in my view you have nothing to lose.

grote15 · July 2, 2014 12:01PM

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<< Thanks for all the responses, guys! I agree with the consensus, and will keep it in its present holder. Sometimes it helps to get a second (or third, fourth) opinion.

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How much would a review cost for this card? >>

Nothing. I have a voucher. >>

I say send it in. The upside is thousands which means you get huge bang for your buck. The centering is a touch off but the card is a blazer so in my view you have nothing to lose. >>

Thanks for the feedback. The latter part of your post was the reason I was considering it, as I have a registry voucher for 3 free grades.

Dpeck100 · July 2, 2014 12:07PM

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<< Thanks for all the responses, guys! I agree with the consensus, and will keep it in its present holder. Sometimes it helps to get a second (or third, fourth) opinion.

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How much would a review cost for this card? >>

Nothing. I have a voucher. >>

I say send it in. The upside is thousands which means you get huge bang for your buck. The centering is a touch off but the card is a blazer so in my view you have nothing to lose. >>

Thanks for the feedback. The latter part of your post was the reason I was considering it, as I have a registry voucher for 3 free grades. >>

I have never tried the review game but clearly many have and succeeded. To me it makes way more since to go for some long shots when you have free vouchers. If it cost $50 or $100 it would be a much more difficult decision. I think everyone has a seen a 10 that has the centering this card does and while it wouldn't be the perfect 10 it theoretically could fall within the guidelines and you take a $300+ card and make it explode. There was a Jerry Rice in the past year and a Rickey Henderson hit in a 10 from raw subs so anything is possible as you know.

Good luck.

lightningboy · July 2, 2014 12:15PM

Am I the only one who thinks the t-b centering is off more than l-r? I understand the "eye appeal" argument, but 55/45 is 55/45.

grote15 · July 2, 2014 12:18PM

<< Am I the only one who thinks the t-b centering is off more than l-r? I understand the "eye appeal" argument, but 55/45 is 55/45. >>

PSA typically favors cards centered higher rather than lower, in my experience, for this particular issue (similar to 75 minis). Technical parameters for a PSA 10 grade is up to 60/40 centering, though, not 55/45.

grote15 · July 2, 2014 12:22PM

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<< Thanks for all the responses, guys! I agree with the consensus, and will keep it in its present holder. Sometimes it helps to get a second (or third, fourth) opinion.

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How much would a review cost for this card? >>

Nothing. I have a voucher. >>

I say send it in. The upside is thousands which means you get huge bang for your buck. The centering is a touch off but the card is a blazer so in my view you have nothing to lose. >>

Thanks for the feedback. The latter part of your post was the reason I was considering it, as I have a registry voucher for 3 free grades. >>

I have never tried the review game but clearly many have and succeeded. To me it makes way more since to go for some long shots when you have free vouchers. If it cost $50 or $100 it would be a much more difficult decision. I think everyone has a seen a 10 that has the centering this card does and while it wouldn't be the perfect 10 it theoretically could fall within the guidelines and you take a $300+ card and make it explode. There was a Jerry Rice in the past year and a Rickey Henderson hit in a 10 from raw subs so anything is possible as you know.

Good luck. >>

Thanks, dpeck. I will keep the board posted with the results if I send it on.

Dboneesq · July 2, 2014 1:05PM

<< Great card but I think the left to right centering affects the eye appeal keeping it from being a 10. >>

+1. Tim, I also think T/B hurts a bit, although the eye appeal l/r is what hurts, IMO/.

ldferg · July 2, 2014 1:36PM

Since you have the voucher, I'd send it. As long as there's no potential downgrade, the reward outweighs the risk IMO. Great looking card.

shagrotn77 · July 2, 2014 2:34PM

Very nice 9, but centering in both directions will most definitely keep it out of a 10 holder.

thehallmark · July 2, 2014 4:24PM

BVG 9.5 all day long.

CrazyMind2017 · July 2, 2014 10:30PM

I like all the threes in the cert number.

swartz1 · July 2, 2014 10:40PM

I am going against the grain on this one...

I am okay with left to right (check out the current PSA 10 rose of the same year on ebay)

the top to bottom seems off more than the left to right...

jmtc...

Cakes · July 2, 2014 10:57PM

<< I am going against the grain on this one...

I am okay with left to right (check out the current PSA 10 rose of the same year on ebay)

the top to bottom seems off more than the left to right...

jmtc... >>

Knowing the history I would crack and re sub if anything. I don't see the downside and I can't see if going any lower then a 9 again.

BTW that is a great looking card.

itzagoner · July 2, 2014 11:01PM

the card is exactly where it oughta be.

ThoseBackPages · July 2, 2014 11:05PM

This is as good as an excuse as any to tell the wife you have to make a trip to Cleveland this month

CrazyMind2017 · July 2, 2014 11:58PM

<< Knowing the history I would crack and re sub if anything. I don't see the downside and I can't see if going any lower then a 9 again.

BTW that is a great looking card. >>

Grader of death can turn it from a $400 card to a $60 card in a matter of seconds. The L/R centering by itself might be within 10 guidelines, and the T/B centering by itself might be within 10 guidelines, but the combination of them is what prevents this from being a 10. I don't necessarily think they grade all rookie cards harder as a matter of policy, but this a very famous and notable one. I don't think it will ever bump to a 10. But it's a very nice high-end 9.

JoeBanzai · July 3, 2014 12:27AM

In my opinion the top to bottom centering is fine. On cards like this with three defined borders, I ignore the "missing" border and if the remaining three are equal, it is fine. PSA may not look at it this way, but their standards seem to vary depending on the grader. If this card were "properly" centered top to bottom, the top border would look WAY to big for my taste.

The centering toward the bottom on the right edge is distracting, however I have seen 10's that have some very questionable eye appeal.

Doesn't seem to be any risk as long as you can specify no grade lower than a 9.

The upside id so large, why not try several times?

It does look properly graded though.

Cakes · July 3, 2014 1:00AM

<< In my opinion the top to bottom centering is fine. On cards like this with three defined borders, I ignore the "missing" border and if the remaining three are equal, it is fine. PSA may not look at it this way, but their standards seem to vary depending on the grader. If this card were "properly" centered top to bottom, the top border would look WAY to big for my taste.

The centering toward the bottom on the right edge is distracting, however I have seen 10's that have some very questionable eye appeal.

Doesn't seem to be any risk as long as you can specify no grade lower than a 9.

The upside id so large, why not try several times?

It does look properly graded though. >>

edmundfitzgerald · July 3, 2014 3:14AM

Yours has a shot if you get the same grader as this one

Opinion on Possible Bump for PSA 9 1978 Murray RC?

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