Looking for info....who were the two dealers who famously got in a fight on the bourse floor?

savoyspecial

Late 19th/early 20th c.?


was it Ed. Froussard.....Lyman Low?? drawing a blank here

DeliaBug

<< <i>Late 19th/early 20th c.?

was it Ed. Froussard.....Lyman Low?? drawing a blank here >>



Indeed you are correct.

December 19-20, 1894, Lyman H. Low v. Frossard

MrEureka

I thought that was at an auction?

Broadstruck

At Frossard's sale, December 19-20, 1894, Lyman H. Low called Frossard "a liar" for some statement about the specimen of this variety offered as lot 700; Frossard hit him. In the ensuing fight, both dealers rolled around the auction floor trying to kick each other, and Harlan P. Smith lost a diamond pin in the confusion incidental to separating them.

magikbilly

It's been 120 years, who was considered the "winner"?

Eric

savoyspecial

magicbilly: Low has the cleaner posthumous rep

Broadstruck

A.G. Heaton noted the "two numismatic sages were soon mixed up on a dusty floor in a manner that would have made football adversaries envious of their combative qualities until, in a badly circulated condition, they were dragged apart by dismayed spectators."

magikbilly

<< <i>"...in a badly circulated condition..." >>




That's cute

Eric

ricko

I am sure it was neither interesting nor within of Marquis of Queensbury rules...... When passion exceeds intelligence and skills, it is best to just walk away. Cheers, RickO

291fifth

If this had taken place today they would both be stars on the web.

MidLifeCrisis

I can see John Ford involved in a similar incident or three during his lifetime...

LanceNewmanOCC

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there is a another thread, much longer, about this type of thing. it actually turned out to be quite informative because of diverse commentary.
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MrEureka

When passion exceeds intelligence and skills, it is best to just walk away.

It's a good thing most coin collectors don't think that way.

Aegis3

<< <i>I can see John Ford involved in a similar incident or three during his lifetime... >>



Wasn't there an "almost thrown off the roof" story involving him?

ms70

I found a pic:

howards

Strawberry Leaf Fight

Broadstruck

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<< <i>I can see John Ford involved in a similar incident or three during his lifetime... >>



Wasn't there an "almost thrown off the roof" story involving him? >>



Yes... Here’s a story by QDB on page 14 of the Dice & Hicks 2008 Stack’s auction catalog.

“In the mid 20th century Hard Times Tokens became a passion the passion for many leading numismatists, with John J. Ford, Jr. and Donald Miller perhaps being the best known. At a memorable New Netherlands auction in the 1950’s a collection of Hard Times Tokens was scheduled to cross the auction block, including rare varieties of Low-1, with the portrait of Jackson. A catalog was prepared by Walter Breen and John Ford of New Netherlands Coin Company, of which Ford was co-owner. The sale was held on the rooftop facility of the New Weston Hotel in New York City, in an assembly room, next to which there was a bar. Miller well lubricated an with a fighting spirit, was set to capture a number of rarities for his own account, while Ford made it known that he was going to be the leading buyer. On the terrace near the bar Miller grabbed Ford and pushed him partially over the railing, high above the streets below. The present writer (QDB) and another bystander grabbed Miller and pulled him away, much to Ford’s relief. Others rushed to hold Miller, and eventually calmed down. The sale proceeded, and record prices where set.”

MidLifeCrisis

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<< <i>I can see John Ford involved in a similar incident or three during his lifetime... >>



Wasn't there an "almost thrown off the roof" story involving him? >>



Yes... Here’s a story by QDB on page 14 of the Dice & Hicks 2008 Stack’s auction catalog.

“In the mid 20th century Hard Times Tokens became a passion the passion for many leading numismatists, with John J. Ford, Jr. and Donald Miller perhaps being the best known. At a memorable New Netherlands auction in the 1950’s a collection of Hard Times Tokens was scheduled to cross the auction block, including rare varieties of Low-1, with the portrait of Jackson. A catalog was prepared by Walter Breen and John Ford of New Netherlands Coin Company, of which Ford was co-owner. The sale was held on the rooftop facility of the New Weston Hotel in New York City, in an assembly room, next to which there was a bar. Miller well lubricated an with a fighting spirit, was set to capture a number of rarities for his own account, while Ford made it known that he was going to be the leading buyer. On the terrace near the bar Miller grabbed Ford and pushed him partially over the railing, high above the streets below. The present writer (QDB) and another bystander grabbed Miller and pulled him away, much to Ford’s relief. Others rushed to hold Miller, and eventually calmed down. The sale proceeded, and record prices where set.” >>


Yes, that's the story I had in mind but could not remember the details. Thanks. I wonder who came out better at the sale, Ford or Miller?