1859-O Seated Dollar

cameron12x

Honest wear or environmental damage? Technical grade? Would she holder?

DUIGUY

XF40 strong

Tibor

I think it is honest wear and not so favorable storage. Even "natural toning"
is considered environmental damage by some.

crypto79

Little dark for some but wonderfully original for most! XF40 bottom up to XF45 is there is any life at all to the skin.

amwldcoin

I love the look of the coin...have you tried acetone on the center of the obv. ? That is the only area holding it back for me!

kaz

Looks like a nice EF to me. might be dismissed as enviro damage if the black areas look thick and raised like they are growing into the surface, but who knows for sure? I like it.

commoncents05

Should grade. Nice XF.

-Paul

Flatwoods

I like it. I see no obvious reason it wouldn't holder.

NumisOxide

Xf40 I'd say

coinbuf

I would wonder if the rim issues might keep it from grading.

jayPem

What Kaz said...take a good look at the sufaces, crust and dirt good...corrosive looking chunks and pits not so good.

cameron12x

<< <i>I would wonder if the rim issues might keep it from grading. >>


I don't have the coin in hand yet. I wonder too.

But it's already slated to head to my Dansco 7070 album.

cameron12x

<< <i>I love the look of the coin...have you tried acetone on the center of the obv. ? That is the only area holding it back for me! >>


Me too! An acetone bath is the first order of the day upon receipt.

VanHalen

Detail looks AU to me. Surfaces are suspect and don't show luster so XF45 is likely the best you'll get if it grades. A pretty nice piece even if it no-grades.

ajaan

Fantastic coin IMO.

coinkat

Coinbuf identified the rim as being an issue- that looks to be the only question in my mind as whether it grades EF40.

jayPem

Are you guys talking about the area around 3 o clock on the rim ? That may be a scrape or gouge...I kind of doubt it though.
The flat spot at 12 is no big deal IMO

ricko

The rim issues are suspect, but if it is just going to a Dansco and not a TPG, then I would recommend an acetone bath only..... Cheers, RickO

rhedden

Original, and I see no reason why the surfaces would keep it from holdering. It's refreshing to see a Seated Dollar of this date that has the right kind of patina for its age and state of wear. Almost all of these have been dipped or otherwise cleaned. Those saying that it is too dark or has environmental damage are perhaps too accustomed to seeing "market-acceptable" dipped coins in holders. On circulated Seated coins, I'll take this look over the questionably cleaned, light grey look all day long.

As for the rim, it will still holder with some rim hits, unless it was removed from a mount, or if the rim was filed to minimize the appearance of the hits. Coins such as this are frequently returned as "tooled" or "filed rim," leaving the submitter with a non-gradable example of an expensive Type coin, which will be difficult to sell later on. If considering purchasing this coin at retail without having it in hand, there has to be some kind of guarantee from the seller that the rim is OK. If it's a dealer, tell him/her that you want to submit it and see what they say. It may have already gone in and it's still raw for a reason.

roadrunner

I can't jump to the conclusion that the darkness is just original patina/carbon/dirt. I recall getting a slabbed VF rare date seated quarter which had a similar look based on the photo provided. Upon receiving it I felt the coin had been "cooked" somehow during its life. While it was TPG graded I felt it had env damage/light corrosion. I passed on it. You won't know for sure until you get it in-hand.

AMRC

Do not touch that coin with anything, not acetone, not anything. If you like it and can get past the rim damage and the improper storage that it was subjected to, just put it in your album. There is no "helping" this coin. It is as good as it ever will me.