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If a coin has a Good obverse and an AG reverse . . .

ajaanajaan Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭✭
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is the coin always considered as AG?

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is in my opinion.
    When in doubt, don't.
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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,645 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes. In the same way that a chain is no stronger than its weakest link, a coin is no better than its worst side.
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,208 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes.
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    LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Someone posted many years ago on a grading thread that the state of the reverse won't add to the grade of a coin and judged by the obverse, but can subtract from the grade.
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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    Depends is the true answere.

    Obv and rev are weighted differently. While the coin show is a 4.0 (generous for that one) and a 3.2 but due to a heavier weight grade for the obv if say the split came to 4.7 and 3.6 it could very well end up in a good4 holder. As the previous poster noted it is hard for a rev to round up an obv due to its lesser weighting.

    FYI that OBV IMO is highend AG to start with 3.9 so to speak. While the rim isn't down to the stars the flatness is telling.
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    MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    Yes. Low side wins.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,882 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That coin is an AG for sure. The only coins that MIGHT get a pass are the early U.S. coins from the 1790s. If you have even had a chance to see how delicate the reverse lettering is and how poorly protected it is by the rim, one can see where these coins would be worn into the tops of the letters within several years of circulation.
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    AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin only grades as high as its worst side. Gone are the days when they would grade the obverse and reverse separately.
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    ajaanajaan Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Coin only grades as high as its worst side >>


    So, in theory, a coin with a VF obverse and a VG reverse, would grade VG.

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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like that coin as an AG.....as was mentioned by crypto, probably a 3.9 obverse (AG+)
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    MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Coin only grades as high as its worst side >>


    So, in theory, a coin with a VF obverse and a VG reverse, would grade VG. >>



    Yes. Had a Morgan recently with a gorgeous DMPL obverse, reverse had no mirrors. Coin was properly graded MS64, and got a star but no split grade.
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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,645 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Coin only grades as high as its worst side. Gone are the days when they would grade the obverse and reverse separately. >>



    Thank god. With today's plusses and CAC, a guy could go batsass nuts trying to figger out what he had.image
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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Coin only grades as high as its worst side >>


    So, in theory, a coin with a VF obverse and a VG reverse, would grade VG. >>



    Yes. Had a Morgan recently with a gorgeous DMPL obverse, reverse had no mirrors. Coin was properly graded MS64, and got a star but no split grade. >>



    Not only are you wrong but your example has no bearing on the conversation. A VF obv with a VG rev (offen due to strike) would be net graded to F a lot of the time unless other factors play in like eye appeal or what not. A VG obv and a VF Rev might end up in a VG holder unless the Obv was right on the line.

    I have no idea how DMPL plays into the conversation.
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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes.

    If a coin had a VF obverse and VG reverse, I'd start looking to see if it was in a mount first. image

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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>Yes.

    If a coin had a VF obverse and VG reverse, I'd start looking to see if it was in a mount first. image >>



    There are quite a few issues known to wear disproportionally

    1891-o quarters
    1839-o halfs

    Come to mind. I have seen just a VF20- obv and VG (if that) rev 1891-o quarter.
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    MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Coin only grades as high as its worst side >>


    So, in theory, a coin with a VF obverse and a VG reverse, would grade VG. >>



    Yes. Had a Morgan recently with a gorgeous DMPL obverse, reverse had no mirrors. Coin was properly graded MS64, and got a star but no split grade. >>



    Not only are you wrong but your example has no bearing on the conversation. A VF obv with a VG rev (offen due to strike) would be net graded to F a lot of the time unless other factors play in like eye appeal or what not. A VG obv and a VF Rev might end up in a VG holder unless the Obv was right on the line.

    I have no idea how DMPL plays into the conversation. >>



    Kindly present some imaged examples of this type of net grading.
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,184 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's an AG3.5 if I ever saw one. I agree it doesn't quite make G4, but it's about as close to the line as you can get.

    We all know there are plenty out there who would buy this as an AG but sell it as a G4.

    It's a "PQ" AG coin.

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    MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    Looks like all hat and no cattle. image
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    EastonCollectionEastonCollection Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AG
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    MGLICKERMGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
    ...still waiting for some examples, Crypto...........
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    DaveWcoinsDaveWcoins Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Someone posted many years ago on a grading thread that the state of the reverse won't add to the grade of a coin and judged by the obverse, but can subtract from the grade. >>



    +1
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    NapNap Posts: 1,774 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I always felt this coin is net graded. It's in a NGC G-4 holder.

    imageimage

    This issue typically has weakness around the reverse rim. But this coin seems to have even more than expected wear on the reverse. I would say the obverse looks to be VG and the reverse AG so G-4 seems a net grade.
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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>...still waiting for some examples, Crypto........... >>




    Why bother with examples when the recipient doesn't get basics? Ignore the coin above this post too. Still trying to understand what DMPL has to do with technical grading and the aplacation of it used by the TPGs Licker?

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