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I usually don't do this, but... Who agrees with this grade?
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Price wise a 62 or 63 are a wash in this date. That being said, I agree that if there are some light hairlines, they were just being nice and gave it 62. (On the cheek.)
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<< <i>Hard to tell from the photo, but maybe it has some rub on the check and should technically be a 58... but was instead market graded up to a 62??? >>
this is what i am thinking too. it's a *really* nice 58. but, again...this is judging from the photo only. there's nothing like seeing it in hand. the grade is just an opinion anyway. the market pays what it's worth.
<< <i>Hard to tell from the photo, but maybe it has some rub on the check and should technically be a 58... but was instead market graded up to a 62??? >>
Agree. Quite a bit of activity on the cheek. Still very nice looking for the grade.
The thing about this type of thing is that the angle/lighting may be hiding/diminishing the look of a lot of scratches, particularly on the cheek.
I've seen it in the past when I had a marked up cheeky morgan that graded MS62 by PCGS....I took a few photos at different angles, since it was nicely toned,
When I reviewed the photos later, to see which best represented the look, I noticed that a couple of them made it very hard to see the scratches and that it made the coin look like a much better grade than it was.
Could easily be nothing intentional with the photo (or, it could be), but the lighting/angle are super important at times.
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Yes the coin is mine, it came back as part of batch grading of 122 coins, almost all of which were graded accurately, this and one other (a 1935 Peace Dollar) seemed to be more harshly graded. This is not about value, just curious as to what other people may see. All good comments by the way.
it's a photo.
it appears to have a cartwheel.
mechanical error?
chatter hidden in the dark part of the cartwheel?
Similar scenario but worse...cracked an 1869 PCGS MS63 5C from a PCGS holder because I was doing a raw submission (the coin looked stone cold 64'ish so I saw ZERO issues with doing this plus it's a $250 coin so no big deal). To my shock, the coin comes back "Genuine-Cleaning-Unc Details"
Whoa????
I look at the coin and said ... ah! I see, the coin has very typical die polish for shield nickels. I know it's die polish because a) it's raised, b) it's on the surface, and c) it doesn't go over the devices (which are nice and frosty). I laugh and say, ah...I get it, they quickly glanced at it and said, "oh hairlines," and bagged it. Cracked it again to send in with the next batch of raw coins, whoa!!! It came back Cleaning again.
WTF???
The coin has no cleaning, a blind person can see it's just die polish that exists on a good portion of all PCGS graded shield nickels. I have like 4 photographs already amassed of other coins in MS63 to MS65 PCGS slabs and thinking I'm going to ship this package back to PCGS with all this proof, yada yada...and then I just stopped myself. I'm about to spend in total now more than $120 in grading fees for a coin that I can buy new for $250...so I'm thinking I'm just going to crack the coin out, put it in a flip, and send it in for grading again in a couple years or when they have a CU members special or something (I cannot look at it in it's cleaning unc details slab, makes me sick).
Moral of my story (back to the thread topic now)...sometimes you have to walk away and say, I agree to disagree... it's cheaper and in the long run you get to keep more of your sanity.
BTW, the irony of my situation was that it was in PCGS MS63 holder to begin with. I bet had I not cracked it out of the PCGS MS63 holder and simply sent in for re-grading, the coin right now might very well be in a 64 holder or at least no less than it's original 63 grade... but this latter topic is probably a thread on to itself.
OK...done venting now, I feel a little better
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This is not necessarly true......I had a seated dime in a 63 holder that was 64 all day long. Several dealers agreed, but would only pay 63 money for it because it was in a 63 holder.
I still have the dime.
As for the coin here......it is probably lack of blast. PCGS is all blast and will forgive marks. I have seen 65's with more marks than this coin!
Tom
<< <i>>>> the grade is just an opinion anyway. the market pays what it's worth.<<<
This is not necessarly true......I had a seated dime in a 63 holder that was 64 all day long. Several dealers agreed, but would only pay 63 money for it because it was in a 63 holder.
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yeah, but you're talking about dealers.
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It came back from our hosts at MS62.
<< <i>Hard to tell from the photo, but maybe it has some rub on the check and should technically be a 58... but was instead market graded up to a 62??? >>
My first thought is that it is a slider they let slide into a MS holder
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<< <i>How severe is the gash on the cheek? Could be the reason for the grade. Also the coin seems a little soft over the ear. Its an average strike but not wellstruck. >>
No, it's the hairlines that can easily be seen on the cheek and others start to appear when you look at the obverse fields.
If you did not show the grade, I'm sure the guesses would have been in the 64 - 65 range. Once the grade is revealed, everyone is an expert.
<< <i>If you did not show the grade, I'm sure the guesses would have been in the 64 - 65 range. Once the grade is revealed, everyone is an expert.
Great post.
<< <i>If you did not show the grade, I'm sure the guesses would have been in the 64 - 65 range. Once the grade is revealed, everyone is an expert.
I don't agree with that. There are obvious dangers in grading from photos, but the dollar shown has fields indicative of a 64 or 65 and an unc reverse of 3 or so, but obvious rub on the cheek. That makes it a 2 to me, and possibly a 58, and I would have said that from the photo.
Now, the walker above looks like a solid 4+ so something is there that is not showing on the photo, IMO.
Tom