<< <i>As I respect DC's talent, I personally think they are just plain bullion and something to deceive unknowledgable people. Even though the dates don't actually exist, to me these are just examples of counterfeiting. I don't any future for these and the high prices paid now will show loss in the years ahead. JMO >>
I'm not sure if I would really consider $100 to $300 to be "high priced". But all things are relative and the market will determine future prices. No guarantees, of course.
PS: I willingly paid $600 for a type of known vintage counterfeit of an 1896-O Morgan Dollar. >>
Was it slabbed by PCGS? I understand that not every micro O Morgan was sent back to PCGS as part of their recall. >>
It wasn't a "micro-o", but it was produced by the same maker. It was slabbed by SEGS, but I didn't care about the holder. There are still some examples extant in PCGS holders that were certified prior to the "recall", but never returned to PCGS. SEGS will currently certify them by VAM number, and they put on the labels "Not of US Mint Origin" (or something like that). >>
Was it the 1896-O sometimes called an O/cc?
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<< <i>As I respect DC's talent, I personally think they are just plain bullion and something to deceive unknowledgable people. >>
I don't think many people are being deceived buying them. I think it's more likely that unknowledgeable people are being deceived when they go to sell, i.e. not being told what the pieces are and what they are really worth.
<< <i>Even though the dates don't actually exist, to me these are just examples of counterfeiting. I don't any future for these and the high prices paid now will show loss in the years ahead. JMO >>
I don't consider these to be counterfeits but it's useful to note there are many collectors of actual counterfeits as well as fantasy coins, e.g. Dickeson, Bolen, Scovill, etc., and they can be relatively pricey.
I wish there was no future for Bolen silver bar cents and they could be had for melt. Let me know when one's available
<< <i>I'm not sure if I would really consider $100 to $300 to be "high priced". >>
I don't consider DC's pieces to be high priced relative to other scarce/rare items out there, e.g. patterns, SCDs, etc. I actually think they are among the most interesting pieces one can buy less than $300. When you get in to the 4 figures, there start to be more interesting pieces to consider.
<< <i>As I respect DC's talent, I personally think they are just plain bullion and something to deceive unknowledgable people. Even though the dates don't actually exist, to me these are just examples of counterfeiting. I don't any future for these and the high prices paid now will show loss in the years ahead. JMO >>
I'm not sure if I would really consider $100 to $300 to be "high priced". But all things are relative and the market will determine future prices. No guarantees, of course.
PS: I willingly paid $600 for a type of known vintage counterfeit of an 1896-O Morgan Dollar. >>
Was it slabbed by PCGS? I understand that not every micro O Morgan was sent back to PCGS as part of their recall. >>
It wasn't a "micro-o", but it was produced by the same maker. It was slabbed by SEGS, but I didn't care about the holder. There are still some examples extant in PCGS holders that were certified prior to the "recall", but never returned to PCGS. SEGS will currently certify them by VAM number, and they put on the labels "Not of US Mint Origin" (or something like that). >>
Was it the 1896-O sometimes called an O/cc? >>
The "privately-minted" O/CC VAMs are: 1896-O VAM-22 (unconfirmed if actually O/CC) 1901-O VAM-44
Both are faint, if they show the over-mint-mark at all. The 1901-O VAM-44 has a die break at the top of "TED" which is an exact match for the US-Mint-Made 1900-O/CC VAM-11. So that is the coin that the counterfeiters used as a model for that reverse die.
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<< <i>As I respect DC's talent, I personally think they are just plain bullion and something to deceive unknowledgable people. Even though the dates don't actually exist, to me these are just examples of counterfeiting. I don't any future for these and the high prices paid now will show loss in the years ahead. JMO >>
I'm not sure if I would really consider $100 to $300 to be "high priced".
But all things are relative and the market will determine future prices.
No guarantees, of course.
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I willingly paid $600 for a type of known vintage counterfeit of an 1896-O Morgan Dollar. >>
Was it slabbed by PCGS? I understand that not every micro O Morgan was sent back to PCGS as part of their recall. >>
It wasn't a "micro-o", but it was produced by the same maker.
It was slabbed by SEGS, but I didn't care about the holder.
There are still some examples extant in PCGS holders that were certified prior to the "recall", but never returned to PCGS.
SEGS will currently certify them by VAM number, and they put on the labels "Not of US Mint Origin" (or something like that). >>
Was it the 1896-O sometimes called an O/cc?
<< <i>As I respect DC's talent, I personally think they are just plain bullion and something to deceive unknowledgable people. >>
I don't think many people are being deceived buying them. I think it's more likely that unknowledgeable people are being deceived when they go to sell, i.e. not being told what the pieces are and what they are really worth.
<< <i>Even though the dates don't actually exist, to me these are just examples of counterfeiting. I don't any future for these and the high prices paid now will show loss in the years ahead. JMO >>
I don't consider these to be counterfeits but it's useful to note there are many collectors of actual counterfeits as well as fantasy coins, e.g. Dickeson, Bolen, Scovill, etc., and they can be relatively pricey.
I wish there was no future for Bolen silver bar cents and they could be had for melt. Let me know when one's available
<< <i>I'm not sure if I would really consider $100 to $300 to be "high priced". >>
I don't consider DC's pieces to be high priced relative to other scarce/rare items out there, e.g. patterns, SCDs, etc. I actually think they are among the most interesting pieces one can buy less than $300. When you get in to the 4 figures, there start to be more interesting pieces to consider.
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<< <i>As I respect DC's talent, I personally think they are just plain bullion and something to deceive unknowledgable people. Even though the dates don't actually exist, to me these are just examples of counterfeiting. I don't any future for these and the high prices paid now will show loss in the years ahead. JMO >>
I'm not sure if I would really consider $100 to $300 to be "high priced".
But all things are relative and the market will determine future prices.
No guarantees, of course.
PS:
I willingly paid $600 for a type of known vintage counterfeit of an 1896-O Morgan Dollar. >>
Was it slabbed by PCGS? I understand that not every micro O Morgan was sent back to PCGS as part of their recall. >>
It wasn't a "micro-o", but it was produced by the same maker.
It was slabbed by SEGS, but I didn't care about the holder.
There are still some examples extant in PCGS holders that were certified prior to the "recall", but never returned to PCGS.
SEGS will currently certify them by VAM number, and they put on the labels "Not of US Mint Origin" (or something like that). >>
Was it the 1896-O sometimes called an O/cc? >>
The "privately-minted" O/CC VAMs are:
1896-O VAM-22 (unconfirmed if actually O/CC)
1901-O VAM-44
Both are faint, if they show the over-mint-mark at all. The 1901-O VAM-44 has a die break at the top of "TED" which is an exact match for the US-Mint-Made 1900-O/CC VAM-11. So that is the coin that the counterfeiters used as a model for that reverse die.