Guys Steve does not authenitcate vending unless it is from a sealed case. Which is why I don't understand that there are vending boxes with his wrap and the label does not say "from a sealed case". There should ONLY be wrapped vending boxes with "from a sealed case" on the label or you should not see any wrapping on vending coming from STeve. I am very confused as to why he has done this and hope to get an answer soon. I have vending that I asked him to wrap for me and his response is that he does not buy or authenticate unless he knows for sure.
Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
<< <i>Guys Steve does not authenitcate vending unless it is from a sealed case. Which is why I don't understand that there are vending boxes with his wrap and the label does not say "from a sealed case". There should ONLY be wrapped vending boxes with "from a sealed case" on the label or you should not see any wrapping on vending coming from STeve. I am very confused as to why he has done this and hope to get an answer soon. I have vending that I asked him to wrap for me and his response is that he does not buy or authenticate unless he knows for sure. >>
That's what I was trying to address above. It's my belief that vending boxes with Steve's wrap that don't say "from a sealed case" are still from a sealed case, it's just implied. He just hasn't always written those words on his vending boxes until recently.
<< <i>Guys Steve does not authenitcate vending unless it is from a sealed case. Which is why I don't understand that there are vending boxes with his wrap and the label does not say "from a sealed case". There should ONLY be wrapped vending boxes with "from a sealed case" on the label or you should not see any wrapping on vending coming from STeve. I am very confused as to why he has done this and hope to get an answer soon. I have vending that I asked him to wrap for me and his response is that he does not buy or authenticate unless he knows for sure. >>
That's what I was trying to address above. It's my belief that vending boxes with Steve's wrap that don't say "from a sealed case" are still from a sealed case, it's just implied. He just hasn't always written those words on his vending boxes until recently. >>
This was always my understanding, as well. Until recently, the "from a sealed case," did not carry the same cache it does now.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Correct, the "from a sealed case" notation has only been utilized over the past couple of years on the BBCE labels across all unopened
Especially items that would benefit in value from it. Not sure they are noting 1988 Donruss boxes as so even if they were. Shoot they probably don't even wrap those.
So yes, the older wrapped vending boxes would not have this notation although they were pulled from sealed cases. Just like so many
boxes from back then that weren't noted. But being as the current state of unopened hotness keeps rising, the new notation carries heavy weight.
Only due to the nature of a vending box being so susceptible to possible searching, of course for Steve it is not something that he can
feel too comfortable authenticating. But I won't out rule an instance where a vintage vending box that carries substantial provenance
may prove high confidence during inspection to be authentic. But that is only an assumption on my part.
Not all vending is searched, and not all vintage vending is only available fresh out of a case. So there may be circumstances.
<< <i>70 Topps - I don't have a problem with what you're doing, and best of luck on making it work. I do think there may be individuals on this forum that might prefer to bid on and own the items themselves. That was my point in saying this might not end as well as you think. Good luck. >>
Appreciate your wishes of encouragement. There are some on this forum who may be considering individual bids (I would be too if I were not behind this effort). Anyone is free to do what they wish. I would hope that anyone who is signing up to participate in this would not bid against their own interests. As for those who are not interested in participating and want to pursue any of these items on their own, that is up to them.
And let's be clear. We all understand that this is going to be a bit of an uphill struggle. This is one of the most significant caches of material to come available on the market in some time. All of the major players will be aware of it. With a little luck we may get to share in some of it. I think I can safely speak for many here who feel a chance at some of this material is better than not taking a shot at all.
<< <i>What do you think the price would be for the 77 Topps vending box. >>
Best not to speculate on pricing in this thread, so as not to give away any information to potential competitors. If you wish to send suggestions via PM, please feel free to do so.
The bid prep team (so far Tim, Mike and myself) have been sharing ideas and are working on that now. We intend to be strong but sane in our maximum bids for each product. If you are signing up you are trusting that the bid prep team is not going to do something completely outrageous (and since I will probably have a major role in floating any successful purchases until payments are collected by BBCE there is a pretty good incentive for that team to make sure our determinations are realistic).
The members of this group have reasonably deep reputations around this community for being level-headed, honest and reliable. That's the best we can do in this kind of situation without potentially undermining our own efforts.
Dave - I can say - having just lost on the BBCE 1978 rack box on Ebay at the last second ( even at an outlandish price) - that this will ultimately be an exercise in futility.
<< <i>Dave - I can say - having just lost on the BBCE 1978 rack box on Ebay at the last second ( even at an outlandish price) - that this will ultimately be an exercise in futility. >>
Maybe so (and maybe not). Still, it's better than not taking a shot at all. There aren't so many of us who would bid on lots of this value as individuals, so this way many who would not normally have any chance will at least have a horse in the race.
I have not looked at the auctions yet, but is everything already BBCE authenticated? If not, then there's the not knowing the source issue. And what if Steve tells us there's something amiss when it is sent to him? Just looking at various scenarios...
Otherwise, I'd be up for participating
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Dave - I can say - having just lost on the BBCE 1978 rack box on Ebay at the last second ( even at an outlandish price) - that this will ultimately be an exercise in futility.
+5000
While I think this is a great idea for everyone to get a piece of some great unopened material, I think this is going to go for some serious money. Mintmoondog- Bidding from a collective group is a great thing for you. 70ToppsFanatic knows the bids are going to need to be aggressive and that will only help you out.
What do you think the price would be for the 77 Topps vending box. - the case should go for $36K IMO. which is going to run $1873 for a box + 5% + misc. other charges= $2000
Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
Vending sells for less than wax so I would guess It is about 65% of what a 1977 Wax box sells for. Which is the high end I think. What is a 1980 Vending box now 250.00 but the wax now is almost 800.00 I put a high percentage on my guess because it is a 1977 issue . Not quite pre 75 but very close. It will be very fun to watch for sure.
<< <i> Mintmoondog- Bidding from a collective group is a great thing for you. 70ToppsFanatic knows the bids are going to need to be aggressive and that will only help you out.
What do you think the price would be for the 77 Topps vending box. - the case should go for $36K IMO. which is going to run $1873 for a box + 5% + misc. other charges= $2000 >>
Absolutely, I am VERY thankful to Dave for this. But I am actually serious. I am thinking of getting in on the break but not clear of the ethics. If anyone snags a Bird rookie in the 77 vending I will pay your price for it. As for the Vending case...I sold one 77 vending box (BBCE) a month ago via Probstein I believe as a tester. I think it sold for north of 900.00. Brady Hill guessed the case would go a bit north of 30K. That would be more than what I dreamed of.
<< <i> Mintmoondog- Bidding from a collective group is a great thing for you. 70ToppsFanatic knows the bids are going to need to be aggressive and that will only help you out.
What do you think the price would be for the 77 Topps vending box. - the case should go for $36K IMO. which is going to run $1873 for a box + 5% + misc. other charges= $2000 >>
Absolutely, I am VERY thankful to Dave for this. But I am actually serious. I am thinking of getting in on the break but not clear of the ethics. If anyone snags a Bird rookie in the 77 vending I will pay your price for it. As for the Vending case...I sold one 77 vending box (BBCE) a month ago via Probstein I believe as a tester. I think it sold for north of 900.00. Brady Hill guessed the case would go a bit north of 30K. That would be more than what I dreamed of. >>
For any unopened in the 1970's, the formula to predict the closing price:
Pick a number completely out of sight and higher than you can imagine. Add 25% to that number. There's your closing price
The Clockwork Angel Collection...brought to you by Bank of America, Wells Fargo, and Chase TheClockworkAngelCollection
There is a huge difference in what a single vending box sells for in Probsteins auction vs. the value of a box from a vending case. Which is why I think it will be hard to win this particular item. The collector of unopened is going to find this case a must for his collection and will easily surpass the $900 value per box Rick sold it for.
I will stop talking about this so I don't hurt the guys interested in buying it. My thought were not meant to derail you guys.
Shane
Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
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to nothing. Of course he has his own business to operate, and this may be a bigger task of
a services that he does offer. I have gotten wax authenticated by him numerous times.
I am sure he does it a lot just as his time allows, which is fine with me as the turnaround is generally quick.
We just need to find out what it would cost and take it from there. He may not have any interest in the endeavor
at all? Who knows, but it would be sweet to strike up a deal
<< <i>Guys Steve does not authenitcate vending unless it is from a sealed case. Which is why I don't understand that there are vending boxes with his wrap and the label does not say "from a sealed case". There should ONLY be wrapped vending boxes with "from a sealed case" on the label or you should not see any wrapping on vending coming from STeve. I am very confused as to why he has done this and hope to get an answer soon. I have vending that I asked him to wrap for me and his response is that he does not buy or authenticate unless he knows for sure. >>
That's what I was trying to address above. It's my belief that vending boxes with Steve's wrap that don't say "from a sealed case" are still from a sealed case, it's just implied. He just hasn't always written those words on his vending boxes until recently.
Mike
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<< <i>Guys Steve does not authenitcate vending unless it is from a sealed case. Which is why I don't understand that there are vending boxes with his wrap and the label does not say "from a sealed case". There should ONLY be wrapped vending boxes with "from a sealed case" on the label or you should not see any wrapping on vending coming from STeve. I am very confused as to why he has done this and hope to get an answer soon. I have vending that I asked him to wrap for me and his response is that he does not buy or authenticate unless he knows for sure. >>
That's what I was trying to address above. It's my belief that vending boxes with Steve's wrap that don't say "from a sealed case" are still from a sealed case, it's just implied. He just hasn't always written those words on his vending boxes until recently. >>
This was always my understanding, as well. Until recently, the "from a sealed case," did not carry the same cache it does now.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Especially items that would benefit in value from it. Not sure they are noting 1988 Donruss boxes as so even if they were. Shoot they probably don't even wrap those.
So yes, the older wrapped vending boxes would not have this notation although they were pulled from sealed cases. Just like so many
boxes from back then that weren't noted. But being as the current state of unopened hotness keeps rising, the new notation carries heavy weight.
Only due to the nature of a vending box being so susceptible to possible searching, of course for Steve it is not something that he can
feel too comfortable authenticating. But I won't out rule an instance where a vintage vending box that carries substantial provenance
may prove high confidence during inspection to be authentic. But that is only an assumption on my part.
Not all vending is searched, and not all vintage vending is only available fresh out of a case. So there may be circumstances.
Dave
<< <i>70 Topps - I don't have a problem with what you're doing, and best of luck on making it work. I do think there may be individuals on this forum that might prefer to bid on and own the items themselves. That was my point in saying this might not end as well as you think. Good luck. >>
Appreciate your wishes of encouragement. There are some on this forum who may be considering individual bids (I would be too if I
were not behind this effort). Anyone is free to do what they wish. I would hope that anyone who is signing up to participate in this
would not bid against their own interests. As for those who are not interested in participating and want to pursue any of these items
on their own, that is up to them.
And let's be clear. We all understand that this is going to be a bit of an uphill struggle. This is one of the most significant caches of
material to come available on the market in some time. All of the major players will be aware of it. With a little luck we may get to
share in some of it. I think I can safely speak for many here who feel a chance at some of this material is better than not taking a shot
at all.
Dave
<< <i>What do you think the price would be for the 77 Topps vending box. >>
Best not to speculate on pricing in this thread, so as not to give away any information to potential competitors.
If you wish to send suggestions via PM, please feel free to do so.
The bid prep team (so far Tim, Mike and myself) have been sharing ideas and are working on that now. We
intend to be strong but sane in our maximum bids for each product. If you are signing up you are trusting that
the bid prep team is not going to do something completely outrageous (and since I will probably have a major
role in floating any successful purchases until payments are collected by BBCE there is a pretty good incentive
for that team to make sure our determinations are realistic).
The members of this group have reasonably deep reputations around this community for being level-headed, honest
and reliable. That's the best we can do in this kind of situation without potentially undermining our own efforts.
Dave
<< <i>What do you think the price would be for the 77 Topps vending box. >>
Henry - "One million dollars"
Everyone interested in bidding - "$100"
<< <i>Dave - I can say - having just lost on the BBCE 1978 rack box on Ebay at the last second ( even at an outlandish price) - that this will ultimately be an exercise in futility. >>
Maybe so (and maybe not). Still, it's better than not taking a shot at all. There aren't so many of us who would bid on lots of this value as individuals, so this
way many who would not normally have any chance will at least have a horse in the race.
Dave
Otherwise, I'd be up for participating
TheClockworkAngelCollection
<< <i>Nikklos - I'll sell you mine but the price is now $4500. >>
Wow! Nice gesture. smh.
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
+5000
While I think this is a great idea for everyone to get a piece of some great unopened material, I think this is going to go for some serious money.
Mintmoondog- Bidding from a collective group is a great thing for you. 70ToppsFanatic knows the bids are going to need to be aggressive and that will only help you out.
What do you think the price would be for the 77 Topps vending box. - the case should go for $36K IMO. which is going to run $1873 for a box + 5% + misc. other charges= $2000
Which is the high end I think.
What is a 1980 Vending box now 250.00 but the wax now is almost 800.00
I put a high percentage on my guess because it is a 1977 issue . Not quite pre 75 but very close.
It will be very fun to watch for sure.
Collecting Pete Rose Cello Packs
Pete Rose Master set ranking #4(Retired)
<< <i>
Mintmoondog- Bidding from a collective group is a great thing for you. 70ToppsFanatic knows the bids are going to need to be aggressive and that will only help you out.
What do you think the price would be for the 77 Topps vending box. - the case should go for $36K IMO. which is going to run $1873 for a box + 5% + misc. other charges= $2000 >>
Absolutely, I am VERY thankful to Dave for this. But I am actually serious. I am thinking of getting in on the break but not clear of the ethics. If anyone snags a Bird rookie in the 77 vending I will pay your price for it.
As for the Vending case...I sold one 77 vending box (BBCE) a month ago via Probstein I believe as a tester. I think it sold for north of 900.00. Brady Hill guessed the case would go a bit north of 30K. That would be more than what I dreamed of.
<< <i>
<< <i>
Mintmoondog- Bidding from a collective group is a great thing for you. 70ToppsFanatic knows the bids are going to need to be aggressive and that will only help you out.
What do you think the price would be for the 77 Topps vending box. - the case should go for $36K IMO. which is going to run $1873 for a box + 5% + misc. other charges= $2000 >>
Absolutely, I am VERY thankful to Dave for this. But I am actually serious. I am thinking of getting in on the break but not clear of the ethics. If anyone snags a Bird rookie in the 77 vending I will pay your price for it.
As for the Vending case...I sold one 77 vending box (BBCE) a month ago via Probstein I believe as a tester. I think it sold for north of 900.00. Brady Hill guessed the case would go a bit north of 30K. That would be more than what I dreamed of. >>
For any unopened in the 1970's, the formula to predict the closing price:
Pick a number completely out of sight and higher than you can imagine. Add 25% to that number. There's your closing price
TheClockworkAngelCollection
I will stop talking about this so I don't hurt the guys interested in buying it. My thought were not meant to derail you guys.
Shane