Vintage unopened. Sellers REMORSE already!

Crazylegs

We all have had both buyers and sellers remorse.

What are your examples of either?

I just made this sale a few months ago and I already regret it.

I must admit it was a more than fair deal but where am I ever going to find a
72 pack with "The Doctor" showing. Not to mention packs with Chamberlain &
Maravich. Not to mention the 70 2nd series box. Not to mention the 71 BSKB
12 count box (not shown). Not to mention the 2 1969 wax boxes!

It was nice to have had these as part of my collection for as long as I did.

But when you have two kids in college at the same time sacrifices must sadly
be made.

Next year when I won't be shelling out the cost of 2 College tuitions I may have
a different point of view lol. The buyer of these beauties now has made that big
problem disappear!

Let the stories begin!

itzagoner

i feel ya brutha. college tuition definitely takes a toll on collecting desires. on the bright side, my grad is about to accept a very nice offer for full time employment with the athletic dept. of a major university, so i can get him off my payroll.

doubt he woulda got there without the necessary sacrifices. and someday you'll have a few of your precious gifts back, too.

like you, i've parted with some sweet old vintage products over the years. it's been fun trying to find some of them again.

rtimmer

Yes very regrettable you didn't get the Erving graded when you had the chance, that would have been a big seller.

vintagefun

Better to have loved and "lost" than never have loved at all, right.

I wish I could say I had owned such treasures and was able to sell for such a worthy cause.

That being said, I feel ya. I may have to do similar at some point.

Congrats on having owned, having sold, and having kids in college, that's nice work all around.

Steelernation

Were there packs in those 69 boxes?

jmaciu

<< <i>Better to have loved and "lost" than never have loved at all, right.

I wish I could say I had owned such treasures and was able to sell for such a worthy cause.

That being said, I feel ya. I may have to do similar at some point.

Congrats on having owned, having sold, and having kids in college, that's nice work all around. >>



+1. Well said.

thunderdan

Craig, you got good money for these it sounds like, and your children are getting a great education. Totally worth it. Never look back.

gemint

I'm sorry for your loss. The 1969 wax boxes would be nice to own. My regrets are breaking a run of full 1972 to 1976 baseball wax boxes about ten years ago and selling off 4 high grade 1975 Topps regular baseball sets that were built from vending around the same timeframe. However, I have some 'glad I sold' moments moments as well. One of the best I remember is selling a 1974 Pedro Garcia PSA 8 for slightly over $200 in the early 2000s when the registry was on fire!

Thenugent

two 1969 boxes sold

for kids that didn't get or pursue easily obtainable scholarships

ouch.

Allen

It's just worthless paper after all...speaking of college diplomas in the modern job market, not the vintage basketball picture cards.

I say that in jest, I am sure someone with the foresight to stash away such treasures has reared wise offspring who will find prosperous employment soon enough. I understand your remorse.

mesapsa

I hate to say this but if those boxes were in my collection I would tell me kids that if they wanted to go to a certain school that they better either find a job to pay for the school or one good scholarship as I would not be selling my cards!!!!

CNote

Awfully generous to pay any of your kids' tuition, IMO. If kids whine about student loans, perhaps they shouldn't get degrees in Design & Communication with a minor in Storytelling.

Crazylegs

Some very interesting opinions from the board.

Thanks for the mostly positive responses and support in my time of need lol.

itzagoner - Glad your grad has found their way, with your help, in this economy.
I wish them great luck in their future job endeavors.

trimmer - The star packs were factored in at a very nice premium (even though
they were not graded).

Steelernation - Yes, all full boxes!

vintagefun - I agree 100%. So does jmaciu lol.

Allen - I get what you're saying.

Thanks to everyone else for the kind thoughts.

I made a deal with my kids when they started High School. Get great grades,
get involved with your school, give back to your community and get into a
great school. They also had to pay for their own car insurance & phones with
money from a job.

In college my son not only pays for his books, but also any incidentals he feels he
wants/needs. He has maintained A's his first 3 years while double majoring in
Finance & Marketing (with a minor in some Business Analytic thing I don't quite
understand). He is also on the swim & water polo teams and in a business
fraternity. Sorry for the proud Dad bragging lol.

Also to those that said let them get loans or scholarships. Both kids did get multiple
scholarships that they spent countless added hours applying for. I for one don't
agree with saddling my kids with huge student loans, that are hanging over their heads
as soon as they graduate, if there is any way I can help as their Dad. As long as
they keep up their end with great grades and hard work, I'll do my part with the cash!

It worked getting them into great schools. I hope it works just as well getting them
a profession they will love.

Thanks to all for the responses.

Crazylegs

For those that didn't agree with my actions I can respect your opinions.

itzagoner

hmmmm. interesting opinions both ways here.

Craig, i've made the same deal you did and my kids have taken it. i'm proud to say that i paid every penny to get my son through college with no outstanding loans or debt at graduation. i agree that it's not a luxury every kid gets. in fact, a comparatively small percentage probably do exit college with a degree and no debt. i will make every effort to have that happen for my young daughter, too.

my son could have taken a free ride somewhere if he wanted to. he was a pretty sought after athlete who hardly played Varsity baseball as a junior or senior. one of the reasons he had trouble getting on the field in high school was some guy named Mike Stanton was ahead of him on the depth chart. go figure. so he tried to become a D1 pitcher and for his first 2 years in college he gave as much effort to athletics as possible until it just didn't work out. so you know what he did? he went to work. teaching other guys how to pitch. for two more years while pursuing the degree he was intending to earn all along, he also parlayed his skills into income. good for him.

now he's on track in the real world and the decision to fund his education has been rewarded for him.

part of the plan was to sell the cards. it was in the blueprint. and it worked. owning awesome stuff is cool and all that, but seeing your kids do the right thing is so much better. there should be no remorse if that's what you wanted to do. there should only be pride.

fur72

I wish you were my father! I paid my own way. Great story. I am sure your kids will pay you back in more ways than you can ever imagine. Congrats on getting two kids through college!

mattyc_collection

1969 boxes. Wow. Don't see those every day, that's for sure.

esquiresports

Gorgeous unopened, but your priorities are in order. The cardboard is replaceable. As time goes by, the remorse will disappear. Sooner than you imagine, I bet.

You might consider empty boxes of what you had full. They obviously look exactly the same. That's what I'm doing with a few of the holes in my collection and it works pretty well. Sometimes I forget which are empty.

Boopotts

<< <i>Awfully generous to pay any of your kids' tuition, IMO. If kids whine about student loans, perhaps they shouldn't get degrees in Design & Communication with a minor in Storytelling. >>



Agreed. Those kinds of degrees don't qualify you to do much more than be a stay at home dad.

gregmo32

Wow. That was very generous!

Based on who you sold them to, do you think the boxes/packs will find their way to the secondary market, or are they stashed away?

brian26

<< <i>We all have had both buyers and sellers remorse.

What are your examples of either?

I just made this sale a few months ago and I already regret it.

I must admit it was a more than fair deal but where am I ever going to find a
72 pack with "The Doctor" showing. Not to mention packs with Chamberlain &
Maravich. Not to mention the 70 2nd series box. Not to mention the 71 BSKB
12 count box (not shown). Not to mention the 2 1969 wax boxes!

It was nice to have had these as part of my collection for as long as I did.

But when you have two kids in college at the same time sacrifices must sadly
be made.

Next year when I won't be shelling out the cost of 2 College tuitions I may have
a different point of view lol. The buyer of these beauties now has made that big
problem disappear!

Let the stories begin! >>



You're a great father. Don't regret it for a second. You received good value for the boxes and it went to a worthy cause.

Tuition has skyrocketed. Every student isn't an "athlete" who gets a free ride. Even with scholarships, tuition is an arm and a leg. I do think there is some responsibility involved with paying off student loans as a young adult, and that's not such a bad thing. Anything you can provide to help offset those loans so they aren't crippling is well worth it, but a little bit of debt out of school keeps the kids in check as well.

All in all, great job.

1954

Crazylegs- that is a true sacrifice you made there for your children. I wished I had known about the sale of those boxes because I would have bought those. You just don't see those come to market so you truly sold something pretty desirable. Hopefully the sting of losing the boxes will end soon.

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itzagoner

<< <i>You should have seller's remorse. >>



you should have kids.

no. wait.

more i think about it, i shoulda kept my stuff and sent my son to community college instead. it woulda been nice to have him here at home yesterday, laying around on the couch, getting fat and drunk and watching the Final Four.

oh well.

MikeyP

Don't sweat it Crazylegs. I am sure that you have many other items in your collection to prevent you from having a total breakdown.

ndleo

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<< <i>You should have seller's remorse. >>



you should have kids.

no. wait.

more i think about it, i shoulda kept my stuff and sent my son to community college instead. it woulda been nice to have him here at home yesterday, laying around on the couch, getting fat and drunk and watching the Final Four.

oh well. >>



Sitting on a couch, getting fat and drunk, and watching the Final Four is not exclusive to community college. That happens everyday at campus' across the country. My parents only helped me with my school if I had a marketable degree - business or engineering. If I wanted to chase the liberal arts dream, it would be on my dime. That was a fair proposal to me.

esquiresports

<< <i>Crazylegs- that is a true sacrifice you made there for your children. I wished I had known about the sale of those boxes because I would have bought those. You just don't see those come to market so you truly sold something pretty desirable. Hopefully the sting of losing the boxes will end soon. >>



+1. My only remorse is not getting a shot at those 1969 baseball boxes!

Crazylegs

I just wanted to send this blanket message to any & all interested.

I have received many private messages as a result of this post.

1. I do not have any more children to send to college lol.
2. I do have more unopened in the collection.
My new pride & joy is a group of cellos & racks with Redskins Stars
& Senators showing front & back.
3. I do not plan at this time to sell anything else.

My original idea in the post was to get others stories on any buyers/sellers remorse
that they may have had.

Seems like more people just wanted to see privately if I was selling anything else lol.

Dusto

The only sellers remorse I have is selling my Desert Shield Chipper and 1986 Tiffany Bonds Traded PSA 10 that I self-submitted. As an aside though, my wife and I started 529 plans when our children were infants so we will hopefully have the best of both worlds in helping the kids during their college years and keeping the stuff we would part with if need be, but not having to part with it because of preparing for it right of the gate.

jmoran19

so you're not selling privates

MikeyP

<< <i>Seems like more people just wanted to see privately if I was selling anything else lol. >>



What a bunch of vultures.

Steelernation

Sigh...the majority on here are good, knowledgeable people. Then you have the more than a handful that are just vultures and looking out for themselves. Don't listen to them. And def don't sell to them if u don't want. They can put pressure on you. Just look at the thread where a gentleman was trying to set up for his very first card Show and just wanted advice. Not solicitation. Pages of offers. And seems like a lotbof PM's according to the OP.
Anyways, sorry about that.

So to get to why u started this thread...don't have an ounce of remorse. What's ur children's future vs some cardboard. I do agree with the one who posted a little bit of debt is okay. Ur being a great dad..hope they truly appreciate what you've done.

Oh, wouldn't it be great someday if they surprised u with some vintage unopened boxes? Do they know ur passion and what u sold?

Crazylegs

Steelernation - I didn't mean for it to sound like I was angry about the PM's, I actually
thought it was kind of funny.

My kids do know of my collecting passion. My son and daughter went in
together for Christmas and surprised me with a great autographed picture
of Sonny Jurgensen handing off to Larry Brown in 1969. Best gift I've
ever received!

Steelernation

Crazy legs, u didnt seem angry at all. Once u said about qll the PMs that u were receiving, It just occurred to me and others who posted here what the true intentions of the various, same ol members are. When a new guy posts here about them in some way having unopened, for sale or not, they descend just like the cartoon vultures. I abs am in the market for vintage unopened but have never solicited or bothered those who are not requesting solicitation. It just gets old and does not represent us well.

cpamike

To answer your original question, I don't have any sellers remorse even though I never like to sell any unopened. The reason for this is that I always use those funds to buy more unopened so I look at it as upgrading. Thankfully I have not had a real life need to liquidate my collection. While I love buying unopened, I also opened 529 plans for both my kids when they were born so they will be able to go to the college of their choice when they are ready. But like you Craig, if something important comes up I would sell in a heartbeat, but I've tried to avoid having that situation arise.

Btw, I did not PM Craig.

jeffcbay

Definitely a worthy cause... and maybe some day your kids can have successful jobs with their college education and buy you some new vintage wax!

I have an 8-month-old daughter at home and my collection is already taking a back seat. Happily, I might add. I've already sold several key parts of my collection to help pay for things we need for her. It's all about what makes you happy! Besides... it's all about the thrill of the chase anyway. The fun part is building the collection.

cardsnbeads

Never fall in love with your cards .

esquiresports

<< <i>It just occurred to me and others who posted here what the true intentions of the various, same ol members are.

<< <i>

I'm not sure who this is directed at, but it seems like a blanket shot at anyone who, like myself, focuses on unopened. I have never PM'd the original poster, but I wouldn't call anyone who did a "vulture." Many people have sold unopened material for less - sometimes significantly less - than they could have received due to not knowing who the buyers are out there.

Steelernation

That wouldn't be directed at you at all. I've enjoyed your posts. You've always been knowledgable and helpful. You have shared and contributed. But you have to admit that some don't have the various posters best intent and are looking out for themselves. Like the guy who just wanted advice to set up his first card show. But he was getting overwhelmed with PM's for his product. He didnt know fair value, was asking and actually had to post that he'd let them know. And PM's themselves don't make u a vulture.

I will tell u this...awhile ago when I asked the value of a 1972 box unopened..the vultures descended...even if they offered fair value, fine...but some was just blatantly trying to take advantage that i didn't know the true value..those are vultures.

It just reminds me of those card shop dealers whom took advantage of my parents and my friends parents growing up...our moms had no clue and when we look back on it....worse than vultures..scum of he earth wouldn't be too harsh. But that's another post.

jeffcbay

The vultures are typically lurkers too, so you won't see them post much on here.

Crazylegs

Jeffcbay - Enjoy your baby daughter while you can. Seems like only yesterday both of mine
were in diapers! They grow up so fast. Cherish every day!
I bet she has a little O's #8 jersey LOL.
My 17 year old daughter bought herself a Pierre Garcon jersey this year.
Proud Dad moment!

MikeyP

<< <i>So to get to why u started this thread...don't have an ounce of remorse. What's ur children's future vs some cardboard. I do agree with the one who posted a little bit of debt is okay. Ur being a great dad..hope they truly appreciate what you've done. >>





<< <i>Definitely a worthy cause... and maybe some day your kids can have successful jobs with their college education and buy you some new vintage wax! >>



Well said guys.

grote15

I have no earthly way to afford a 1969 topps baseball wax box in this market, so I didn't PM Craig, either, LOL..

Big80s

PM sent

Crazylegs

Big80's - Funny stuff!

Big80s

For the record - I think you did a great thing selling your cards for your children's future. AND I'm happy my '72 topps rack went to such a thoughtful father.

Steelernation

Esquiresports,
Just wanted to say thanks.
Like i've said u have been extremely helpful in answering my various questions. And very generous with ur time. If i ever plan in selling my 1972 topps wax box, youre on the top of my mailing list. And anything I plan on selling for that matter.

I do think were leveling off slightly in prices so may trim my collection. Just took inventory and it's ridiculous to own x number of a particular year. Also, may need cash for those 71s. Though that may not be the right trade off.

Steelernation

Crazylegs,

I've posted many reasons to not have an ounce of regret.

I'm willing to bet on that graduation day(s), those pieces of old cardboard won't even occur to you vs the joy and pride you'll have

esquiresports

Thanks. Always happy to try to help. Completely understand what you say about owning multiples. Except for a couple sentimental years, when I get more than one of something, it's easiest to let that go for something new.

grote15

<< <i>Except for a couple sentimental years, when I get more than one of something, it's easiest to let that go for something new. >>



Unfortunately for me, those years stretch from 1972 through 1980, LOL..

jasoneggert

My biggest regret was selling a centered PSA 5 52 Robinson for $1200 a few years back. At the time it was a great price to get, but now that card is over $1800 easy. I only paid $600 for it, but I still regret selling it.

-Jason