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  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    2 1/2 now
  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Disaster in Fenway...again.

    The day-night sweep by the Rays, who BTW, have lost 3 starting pitchers is beginning to show the ineptitude of the '14 Red Sox. First game 2-1, a numbing one run loss...offense where art thou? The night game shows some moxie with the tied score, but Koji can't hold back the tie and gives up the uber-home run in the 9th. When you hit a home run that literally goes out of the park, it has to be called an uber-home run.

    Wow, the excitement begins with Victorino's double...no outs...lookin' good for at least a tie. On to 3rd, 1 out. Napoli called strike 3...2 outs...Bogaerts called strike 3...game over. What a demoralizing loss. What's goin' on with this team???

    Yeah, it's early, but the losses at home add up mentally, and the one run losses are worst of all.

    Better make sure the life boats are working, it's gonna be a very, very long season. I have tix to see the team play a night game here next month, so I'm not completely down on them. Just no spark, and too many games slipping away.
  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Finally looking more like a defending WS Championship team.
  • edmundfitzgeraldedmundfitzgerald Posts: 4,306 ✭✭
    Only two games out, but what a bad start.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    They are starting to get it back together.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭✭
    See, the MCMLV, the ship doesn't sink in April!


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  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grote...you, of all people should realize how big one run losses at home are...leaving a guy at 3rd base with one out, and the next two guys take a called strike 3 is pitiful. This when they should have at least tied the game and given the team a shot at a win.

    The ship WAS sinking in April...the last two wins came in May, no? Somebody just turned on the bildge pumps, but I still think they have a fair shot at hitting the iceberg.

    The grand slams are nice, but they only erased the Ray's day-night sweep. I'd rather they had won 4 in a row.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yet another 1 run loss at home. I've lost count, and the season so young.

    For these million dollar players, I say...PATHETIC !!!!

    Champions they ain't this year.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Not the way they are going right now for sure. Middlebrooks and Carp have to go. Bring Nava and Cessina or whatever the 3rd baseman from Pawtucket's name is up. One more bad start from Doubront should get him out of there too. Bring up their best pitcher from AAA too. Do something even if it is not right. They are stagnant.
  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Didn't Drew decline an offer? Isn't he still a free agent and couldn't the Red Sox tender an offer still? Seems to me they have infield issues.

    I only watch the games broadcast on the MLB channel...mostly just catch the recaps. Glad I didn't pony up for this year's package.

    I'm still gonna see them play Atlanta on the 27th...seats are just 6 rows behind the Red Sox dugout...and they're free. A night out with 3 friends and have a coupla beers.

    Red Sox management better get this figured out...losing too many close games at home...the road ahead ain't gonna get easier. At this rate, I'll be surprised to see them win 90 games.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Drew declined an offer of $14,000,000 from the Red Sox. They do have a problem at short and 3rd base. Bogaerts has to play every day though to see if he can be the true shortstop they say he can be. I say put Betts at shortstop as he can handle that position better than Bogaerts and move Bogaerts to third base. I have watched Middlebrooks swing at too many bad pitches and he is not a great 3rd baseman besides but would be great trade material along with Carp and Doubront.
  • jdip9jdip9 Posts: 1,894 ✭✭✭
    Topps - I admire the enthusiasm, but you literally went from the sky is falling, to everything is alright, to the sky is falling again....in a 3-day stretch. Big picture - they haven't played great baseball, yet are only 2 GB in a division where it looks like everybody is going to beat up on each other. 90 wins might take the division.

    The Yankees lack offense and pitching depth. They are leading the division with a -16 run differential. The Rays lost their #2 starter for the season, and while I might be wrong, I don't think Toronto or Baltimore has what it takes to compete. At some point, the Sox will start hitting with RISP, and will start winning some of these 1-run games.
  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jdip...never wrote that everything is ok. What I wrote can easily be read in one sentence on the previous page. I merely stated that they were starting to look like a defending ws team. That you interpret that as a ringing endorsement is quite a stretch.

    The team is and remains troubled. There is no consistency and too many one run losses at home and WAAAAAY too many lobs, especially risp.

    So, just so we're CLEAR...they ain't doin' too good. That you think they'll start winning those one run games is mere conjecture and hope...you only get 162 bites at the apple,.

  • edmundfitzgeraldedmundfitzgerald Posts: 4,306 ✭✭
    I think the Red Sox should be leading the division by 3 games right now.
    Let's hope they're only 3 back at the All-Star break.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    They just need to make a few tweeks to the roster and they will be fine. They are loaded with talent in the minors.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    good game by Sizemore, great catch by Victorino, nice to win in extras image
  • edmundfitzgeraldedmundfitzgerald Posts: 4,306 ✭✭
    Classic case of World Series champs not too motivated in the early season.

    As long as they're close after the All-Star break.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,675 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Drew declined an offer of $14,000,000 from the Red Sox. >>




    I think the fact that he declined this offer the Red Sox should never ever even mention his name again when it comes to trying to find a player to plug in the infield, my god its absurd to even think about him declining that offer.

    The Sox are fine, Im not saying they will be contenders for another ring this year but they are doing fine with what they got, its unfair to even think that last years Championship was because of the talent!
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Achieved .500 with comeback win against the Reds!
  • edmundfitzgeraldedmundfitzgerald Posts: 4,306 ✭✭
    Surprised by what AJ has been giving the Sox. Didn't expect that much out of him.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ortiz is on one of his hot streaks!
  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, the team has hit a serious milestone...any guesses?? Bueller, Bueller????

    They have now lost TEN one-run games. I think most of those in Fenway...could be wrong, but it really doesn't matter. Yeah, I know it was Scherzer, but opportunities were all around. No, I ain't gonna post the LOBs and RISP stats from last night...too disappointing.

    When a fan falls down an elevator shaft at Fenway, you gotta believe some bad karma abounds on Yawkey Way. Cherrington etal better figure this out, otherwise this season is T-O-A-S-T.

    I think I'll give this a rest for a while, even I get tired of posting about their dismal performance. I hear the applause...imageimage
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    They are not doing well. Victorino cant stay healthy for more than a week at a time. Middlebrooks is worthless as is Buchholz. Doubront can only last 5 innings and even that amount of time his concentration is not there. MAKE A TRADE OR TWO as they need some hitters. Bradley and Boegarts need to go down to get squared away. Bradley is doing a good job in the field but not hitting while Boegerts is not doing well with either. Carp is only good as an extra outfielder or a fill in at 1st base. They have tons of future talent in the minors they are going to lose if they cant get them on the 40 man roster. Give some of them up NOW or we will not be seeing the Red Sox in the playoffs this year as right now they are not a playoff team.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭


    << <i>They are not doing well. Victorino cant stay healthy for more than a week at a time. Middlebrooks is worthless as is Buchholz. Doubront can only last 5 innings and even that amount of time his concentration is not there. MAKE A TRADE OR TWO as they need some hitters. Bradley and Boegarts need to go down to get squared away. Bradley is doing a good job in the field but not hitting while Boegerts is not doing well with either. Carp is only good as an extra outfielder or a fill in at 1st base. They have tons of future talent in the minors they are going to lose if they cant get them on the 40 man roster. Give some of them up NOW or we will not be seeing the Red Sox in the playoffs this year as right now they are not a playoff team. >>




    Todays game was a prime example. Pierzinski comes up with the bases loaded with Detroit leading 2-0 and hits a weak grounder to 2nd. Victorino was trying to play with a brace on his knee and got nothing done. Middlebrooks on the DL -. They need help.
  • RoarIn84RoarIn84 Posts: 859 ✭✭
    Not helping any, I know, but just got back from Boston after being at Friday's game (and Wednesday's in Baltimore). Haven't been to Fenway since the 80s. Absolutely love it there!! Win or lose, it is so refreshing to see such love and passion from a fanbase. Boston is a true baseball town. I had chills the whole night and just took in the incredible pulse of the city, the park and the people. That said, is it safe to say that the Sox have taken a major step back with not having Ellsbury in the lineup/field?? He seemed to be worth 10-15 wins per season and was a true catalyst in the top spot, and his absence is not only glaring, but not even nearly replaced. Reminds me of what the Tigers have done for years- let key players go in favor of whatever hot new rookie was deemed to be ready..... Well I am sure we will meet this season in the playoffs again......
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Not helping any, I know, but just got back from Boston after being at Friday's game (and Wednesday's in Baltimore). Haven't been to Fenway since the 80s. Absolutely love it there!! Win or lose, it is so refreshing to see such love and passion from a fanbase. Boston is a true baseball town. I had chills the whole night and just took in the incredible pulse of the city, the park and the people. That said, is it safe to say that the Sox have taken a major step back with not having Ellsbury in the lineup/field?? He seemed to be worth 10-15 wins per season and was a true catalyst in the top spot, and his absence is not only glaring, but not even nearly replaced. Reminds me of what the Tigers have done for years- let key players go in favor of whatever hot new rookie was deemed to be ready..... Well I am sure we will meet this season in the playoffs again...... >>





    Not with the present lineup we wont.
  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Better grab Drew b4 the Yankees make the call to Boras. The Yankees are well aware of the infield situation the Red Sox have...signing Drew has to be on their radar. Middlebrooks/Holt is not gonna cut it at third. Slide Bogaerts over to third and Drew at SS.

    The Yankees can also rest Jeter along the way as they groom Drew to be their next SS...not to mention the strategy of keeping Drew from helping the Red Sox out of a dismal predicament.

    Trade for Cliff Lee...give up. Middlebrooks, Carp, Pierzynski, Tazawa, Doubront and whatever else it takes to tighten up the starting rotation.

    What a mess !!!!!



  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Better grab Drew b4 the Yankees make the call to Boras. The Yankees are well aware of the infield situation the Red Sox have...signing Drew has to be on their radar. Middlebrooks/Holt is not gonna cut it at third. Slide Bogaerts over to third and Drew at SS.

    The Yankees can also rest Jeter along the way as they groom Drew to be their next SS...not to mention the strategy of keeping Drew from helping the Red Sox out of a dismal predicament.

    Trade for Cliff Lee...give up. Middlebrooks, Carp, Pierzynski, Tazawa, Doubront and whatever else it takes to tighten up the starting rotation.

    What a mess !!!!! >>




    You are spot on with your assessment. i agree with every thing you said. They need to stop being so cheap. The Yankees are not.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sox won it all in 2013, they don't need to win it in 2014. I think keeping payroll down is a strategy this year for long term success in coming years. Got to be intentional. Plus, most people on the team seem to be playing below their average level of production.
  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    C'mon Barndog, you know better than that...that IS THE GOAL, to win it all year after year. Just because 2013 happened, do you really think they aren't shooting at the title?

    When you go into any competiton, the objective is to win, each and every time...geez already, where did you come up with that? I GUARANTEE
    you, John Henry and the powers to be are trying to figure this out, not just go through the motions for the future. The future is NOW!!! It's a money game in the bigs, saving for "long term success in the coming years"....they all get older and performance goes D-O-W-N, not up.

    playing below their average level of production ...yeah, like waaaaaaaaay below, and some of them should be traded or sent down. They have become an embarrassment to the franchise.

    In it to win it, or get off the field.
  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    C'mon Barndog, you know better than that...that IS THE GOAL, to win it all year after year. Just because 2013 happened, do you really think they aren't shooting at the title?

    When you go into any competiton, the objective is to win, each and every time...geez already, where did you come up with that? I GUARANTEE
    you, John Henry and the powers to be are trying to figure this out, not just go through the motions for the future. The future is NOW!!! It's a money game in the bigs, saving for "long term success in the coming years"....they all get older and performance goes D-O-W-N, not up.

    playing below their average level of production ...yeah, like waaaaaaaaay below, and some of them should be traded or sent down. They have become an embarrassment to the franchise.

    In it to win it, or get off the field.
  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh well, two for the price of one. I don't have edit capabilities, otherwise I would have deleted one.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    You got your point across twice as well that way.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the Sox were committed to winning again this year, they would have behaved differently in the offseason. Bring in AJP as a primary catcher is not a commitment to winning it now (though he is playing better than most others on the team). Giving JBJ full time status to get conditioned to major league pitching is not a win this year type of attitude. Letting Buchholz continue to unimpress for the second straight year is not helping. I don't understand how they could be committed to winning and not sign Lester to an extension -- holding out for a home town discount for a chicken and beer guy isn't a wise move. I just don't see any commitment to winning it all this year and no urgency by the ownership (or, especially, the players). The fog of success is still hanging around Yawkey Way
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    The whole thing is about money. They will lose in the long run by not putting the best baseball team on the field that they possibly can. People are going to stay away in droves because they are not doing that. Mookie Betts is one of the best players they have in the minors but they refuse to train him at another position other than 2nd base and you know he is not going to replace Pedroia. Whats up with that? Ceccina is a much better player than Middlebrooks is yet they say he is not experienced enough in the field. I don't think Middlebrooks is anything to rave about in the field. Bring up one of their rookie catchers to give him a shot. Anybody would be better than Perizinski however you spell his name. Bring Nava back and get rid of Carp as he at least gives you 110% all the time. He will figure it out. Pay Lester what he should be getting, get rid of Peavey and Buchholz. and a couple of those relievers although I think their problem is overuse because of bad starting pitching. Bring up a few of their supposedly great minor leaguers and see hat they can do. At least maybe they will have the desire to win.

    They have let too many of their kids go to other teams in the last 10 years for a lot of bums.

    The only untouchables on this present team should be Lester, Napoli, Pedroia, Bougearts and Victorino. Everyone else is expendable.

    I would much rather see the kids have a chance to play than watch the bunch of stumble-bums I have been watching for the last 2 months.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Signing Drew was a step in the right direction anyway.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Signing Drew was a step in the right direction anyway. >>




    Another good example of whats wrong with the Red Sox was bunting with 2 men on and no outs 3 runs down and no outs. DUMB ! DUMB ! DUMB !

    And some more great pitching by Doubront.
  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lookout to the bridge...iceberg dead ahead! Bridge? Bridge? Hello? Anybody there?

    Really Farrell, a bunt?? What were you thinking?

    P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    And he did it twice!
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Now that Doubront is on the DL who are they going to bring up?

    I would bet it will be Workman.

    Hope its somebody that can give them some spark as they sure need it.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Well the good news is they are only losing 1/2 game every time they lose as the others in the division $uck also.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,675 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well the good news is they are only losing 1/2 game every time they lose as the others in the division $uck also. >>



    Exactly

  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    I'm glad I don't have any tickets to the games in Atlanta.

    I don't think I would enjoy watching them right now, at least until they get their act together.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    Time for a fire sale!

    Keep Pedroia. Bogearts, Napoli, Victorino and Bradley.

    Dump whoever else you can including pitchers.

    We are going to lose some of the young talent we have if they are not brought up this year.

    Bring them up to replace whoever you get rid of.

    Lets see what they can do.

    At least they will give you 100%.
  • pitbosspitboss Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭
    5 runs 1st inning and they still cant win.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Time for a fire sale!

    Keep Pedroia. Bogearts, Napoli, Victorino and Bradley.

    Dump whoever else you can including pitchers.

    We are going to lose some of the young talent we have if they are not brought up this year.

    Bring them up to replace whoever you get rid of.

    Lets see what they can do.

    At least they will give you 100%. >>



    not a bad idea. Obvious that the team should be sellers come the trade deadline. Imagine what you could get for trading away Lackey with his 2015 salary at the league minimum? Plenty of others that teams will express interest in having
  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,174 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And Josh Beckett pitches a no-hitter for the Dodgers today as if to rub in the current loss streak. Fate?
    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
  • bxbbxb Posts: 805 ✭✭
    10 losses in a row, longest losiing streak in 20 years.

    Any guesses how long the streak will go?

    Sox are in Atlanta today, Clay Pidgeon is on the mound.
    Capecards
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,675 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>And Josh Beckett pitches a no-hitter for the Dodgers today as if to rub in the current loss streak. Fate? >>

    . Please getting rid of beckett was one of the best things the sox have done in recent memory. Fellas I'm sorry but I'm not all that bothered by this year I expected it after last years dream season. Either way GO SOX!!! image
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sox don't win a WS with Beckett on their team in 2013. Good riddance and good for him
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