<< <i>Look guys NSS made the choice to go back and pull any bad posts on his part. Lets give him a chance now, it takes a lot to make the effort to want to be able to post here after that triad. Also yeah I know I might get s_ _ _ for helping the guy, but well he was mad. Its not like everyone handles it the same. I don't agree with his ebay message but letting someone grow and learn is something I'm all for! >>
NOTSURE, when i return with my new name, you will be the first to know. Do you know how pale & wanton thrillful comes death on a strange hour unannounced, unplanned for like a scaring over-friendly guest you've brought to bed death makes angels of us all & gives us wings where we had shoulders smooth as raven's claws.
<< <i>Look guys NSS made the choice to go back and pull any bad posts on his part. Lets give him a chance now, it takes a lot to make the effort to want to be able to post here after that triad. Also yeah I know I might get s_ _ _ for helping the guy, but well he was mad. Its not like everyone handles it the same. I don't agree with his ebay message but letting someone grow and learn is something I'm all for! >>
We'll see!!! >>
Well he's taken the right steps, sometimes it takes a little help from someone not attacking to get people to care and look at their behavior. I just thought having the will to help deflect the damage and make him look at whats really available here for coin collectors might be better then piling on the stuff.
I've been angry before and know sh_ _ talking does not help make people stop being angry.
<< <i>NOTSURE, when i return with my new name, you will be the first to know. Do you know how pale & wanton thrillful comes death on a strange hour unannounced, unplanned for like a scaring over-friendly guest you've brought to bed death makes angels of us all & gives us wings where we had shoulders smooth as raven's claws. >>
You're still off your meds....refill that prescription.
I agree with NoSnatch that it's not fair to post "private" messages. Although, I must say the message was a bit harsh. I've lost the closest friends, I completely respect as people, for expressing my "views" on subject matter outside of coins. But there is respect. We kept that subject matter where it belongs. Let's not attack the character or the man here. It's not becoming of gentlemen. It's neanderthalic, to say the least. >>
He was an unknown and his "private message" was a ridiculous attack on eBay. There is no "respect" there... if any was warranted, he would have been more professional in his messages there, his attitude, and he entrance here.
Funny that most of your posts are, literally, about nothing relevant on the boards and then, when you do post something that actually has to do with the thread, you defend someone who has does nothing to warrant any defense. Well, maybe not "funny" but certainly sad. >>
Funny how your posts are inciting. Not funny, but enlightening.
We shall see how long, and even if, Don leaves the posts here, the poster here, or even the thread here.
It's PCGS' "house" and one shouldn't come in here with a vendetta like that..... and it is sad that there are seeming supporters of that.
KC did nothing wrong with his consignment business and, anyone complaining about "scratched slabs" should do some due diligence on slabs, how easily they get scratched, and really, who is selling them and how bad scratches really are.
He also did nothing wrong, imho, of giving his experience to the board. If he hadn't posted the messages, I am sure you, and others, would have claimed he was making things up and it wasn't really that bad.
See Bochiman, you're making assumptions about me, and that's not even relevant to what I'm addressing. Which, incidentally, if you read carefully is very relevant.
Not just to the integrity of mankind but to the boards, in general. But I don't want to discuss this here. You're free to call me . I have a toll FREE number. PM me if you'd like. Somewhere I still have your address from when you won SILVER in a giveaway in November of 2007 when it hit $15, as I recall. But that's not relevant, either. I think they were Mercury dimes.
<< <i>NOTSURE, when i return with my new name, you will be the first to know. Do you know how pale & wanton thrillful comes death on a strange hour unannounced, unplanned for like a scaring over-friendly guest you've brought to bed death makes angels of us all & gives us wings where we had shoulders smooth as raven's claws. >>
WOW!! I want to personally file a complaint with your pharmacy, they have obviously given you a smaller dose prescribed by the old Doc
"I'm dropping my standards so that I can buy more"
Who would have ever thought that in such a short amount of time that one thread could get so many replies?! I am very impressed with everyones contributions. It sure would be nice if there was something for free to everyone who has been following along. I can't wait to morning for all the latest updates. Thank you all!
LowBudget, I cut the pills in half because they are huge and i don't want to destroy my liver and kidneys just yet. I'll take your advice tho and up the ante. ---rm
I'm absolutely STUNNED that this thread is still active, and that NSS is still allowed to post, and is not bammed yet. Though, I can take solace in being 99.99% certain everyone here that sells on ebay has this 'person' blocked. I'm also quite certain, after his disparaging/insulting/bigoted/rule breaking comments, no one will sell to him on the 'bay, OR deal in any way with him, on the BST (already on my blocked buyer list....looking forward to seeing his offerings, though.. ).
Anyone who intentionally keeps a coin, in an ebay TPG approved holder that is scratched, and behaves as if the seller is ripping him off, in order to leave (not to mention THREATENING to leave) a negative feedback (sounds like another member, who's 'mission' was apparently aborted), well, this is a person/member NOONE will deal with, let alone respond to (there were colonies made for such people). NSS, don't bother responding to this post until you've upped your dosage, and then, just don't bother. After your atrocious rants (even though you edited them, most know the unacceptable things you said), I'm sure no one will be giving you the time of day. I, personally, don't care to hear from you, and you're on my blocked PM list, so don't bother. Though, please let me know if you are EVER in New England (as you said, when you make an alt, which seems to be in your immediate future, you'd still admit to being 'reindeermccoy)...then, you can repeat your 'pale & wanton thrillful comes death....' comment to me personally. Don't think for a MOMENT I don't know what you meant.
Oh, again, remember to up that dosage, not just the 'ante'.
I never went anywhere...I honestly didn't know my thread was still going? I put out the warning and it looks like many folks are heeding that warning. I am not mad at NSS...frankly his Ebay messages to me and what he has posted here don't really need responses...they are simply the ramblings of someone who needs help. Why waste my time going back and forth with you...then I would be the one who needs meds
I agree with NoSnatch that it's not fair to post "private" messages. Although, I must say the message was a bit harsh. I've lost the closest friends, I completely respect as people, for expressing my "views" on subject matter outside of coins. But there is respect. We kept that subject matter where it belongs. Let's not attack the character or the man here. It's not becoming of gentlemen. It's neanderthalic, to say the least. >>
Tolerance?
Wait, what am I missing here?
The entire cause was incited by the original message.
What ever happened to: if you don't like the coin/slab whatever, don't buy it?
Gentlemen and ladies, if I were to post the threatening and totally rude, obnoxious, threatening, filled with hateful language PM's this 'person' sent at 3:59am and 4:02am this morning, you'd really see what NoScratchedSlabs is really like and be horrified that language like this was being posted or PM'ed on these boards. These are two of the absolute rudest, threatening PM's anyone has ever received. It makes the language in the Open Forum Refuge look like kindergarten. The quoted material of his in this thread is tame compared to what I've just received. Trust me, there is no place for this person on these boards.....matter of fact, if this person stays on these forums, they WILL be shut down, not just COULD be.
I've sent them off to Mr. Willis to deal with, only because the language would cause me to be bammed, and the boards could very well be shut down if they were to be posted (and posting PM's is not in good form). Besides that, if I had to edit for all the swears and foul language, there would hardly be anything but dashes and asterisks. Trust me, you don't want to converse with this person AT ALL. Unfortunately, I can't seem to add him to my 'blocked list', no m atter how hard I've tried.
edited...if anyone would like to see what he has written, PM me, I'll be happy to share this 'person's' thoughts/threats in PRIVATE. It'll make you think twice before engaging him in ANY conversation or ebay dealing, trust me on that.
When I buy a slabbed coin off ebay my expectation is a coin I can offer to my customers with a good chance of selling it. I consider a slabbed coin with excessive scratches or chips to be a damaged item that I would be forced to discount or not even sell at all.
Slabs with damage - excessive scratches (especially coin focal areas), chipped, etc (likely to cause problem with buyer) I do not offer to my customers online. I even keep ongoing piles of slabs for reholder which may happen to have a slab damage problem. As an experienced bourse room dealer at shows I know all too well that scratched / chipped slabs can be a deal killer. This does not keep me from acquiring them if I like the coin but I have to factor in reholder costs. A seller offering damaged slabs in an ebay store should specify in the ebay "condition description" policy so this is in plain view and the customer won't be surprised. That a slabbed coin is a consignment coin is no excuse. I remember getting Teletrade slabs on a really nice Proof coin and the slab is scratched up like the guy was tossing it to his dog playing pitch and catch. It really ticked me off because the scan did not show this problem and anyone who purchased off TTR knows how expensive a return was.
Recently I was refunded $20 from a seller on a PCGS slab chipped in two places. This was not disclosed in the ebay "condition description" where problems with the item should be described. I emailed the seller pointing out the problem (and that it was not described in the "condition description") and politely reqested how they intended to handle it. Their offer was acceptable and I have put the coin in the pile destined for PCGS reholder. Otherwise I would have returned the coin. In that case, a neg to them would have been an option as it was not disclosed in the "condition description" which ebay has for damaged items. It was a coin I had won for $34 with a CW Trends Value of $55. Now it is reflected with an inventory cost of $14 and the slab reholder cost will be expensed.
When dealing with this situation as a buyer my policy is to politely point out the problem and see what the seller is willing to offer as a solution. I consider it the seller's responsibility to disclose such problems in the "condition description." In a situation if all the seller will offer is a return / refund the return cost is probably better vs what reholder will cost then the issue is how badly do I want the coin. Sometimes a scratched up slab in an ebay auction (where the scratches are easy to see) may be a bargain as the other bidders will back off. A guy in the coin club won a beautiful world gold proof issue for just a few bucks over melt because of this.
...right now it costs $5 for the re-holder service...looks like you got a nice rip making the seller dish you out $20 for a chipped slab, you must feel great
<< <i>...right now it costs $5 for the re-holder service...looks like you got a nice rip making the seller dish you out $20 for a chipped slab, you must feel great
Erik >>
The seller doesn't have much protection from these buyers that threaten negative feedback because a scratch or chip is in a slab. If buyers can't see a slab that looks like a dog chewed it up, they don't need to be buying coins online using pictures.
This has been a very enlightening thread (some of it at least, not the insane parts).
I will now be very careful to list any slab defects. I've not considered that in the past though I always have several very good photos. I take very good care of my slabs. For coins which I had slabbed the slabs are perfect assuming that they arrived from the TPG perfect which is NOT always the case.
I've purchased coins in scratched, chipped, etc slabs though so some of my coins are in such slabs.
I know that everyone is different however I've never paid the slab much attention when buying. If I get a coin in a slab that bothers me I have it reholdered. I have purchased such slabs but never even thought to bring it to the seller's attention.
I think that the key is to be sure that very good and complete photos are included with all listings.
It looks like I'm a pretty easy buyer compared to many when it come to the actual slab.
In any case, live and learn. I'll certainly be more careful in being sure to detail not just coin but slab condition if there is any issue.
Edited: I should qualify: If the slabe were just trashed and I purchased w/o any photos then I would say something. If there were decent photos and I couldn't see the damage to the slab then it would not be enough for me to contact the seller about.
<< <i>...right now it costs $5 for the re-holder service...looks like you got a nice rip making the seller dish you out $20 for a chipped slab, you must feel great
Erik >>
The seller doesn't have much protection from these buyers that threaten negative feedback because a scratch or chip is in a slab. If buyers can't see a slab that looks like a dog chewed it up, they don't need to be buying coins online using pictures. >>
<< <i>...right now it costs $5 for the re-holder service...looks like you got a nice rip making the seller dish you out $20 for a chipped slab, you must feel great
Erik >>
Just had two NGC world coins reholdered...sent them with a local dealer to the ANA, since in the past this same dealer has done this for me as a show reholder, $10 each...no shipping costs.
NGC was not reholdering at this show, so off they went to the factory...long story short, when they finally arrived at least a month later, $65 to get two coins reholdered into NGC plastic $15 each + $8 fee + $27 shipping one way....shoulda just crossed em to PCGS
Point is, reholdering is maybe not as cheap as it used to be....get that $5 deal while you can !!
My thought is partial refund is a form of feedback extortion and should not be allowed. If your blind and cannot see the slab is damaged then return it for full refund. eBay has forced almost all of us seller's to offer refunds either use your eyes or don't bother to buy it. (Rant over.) Just did one on even a bullion deal this morning.
This is the Pm that I received from our illustrious poster:
"The problem is, that most of the time, your gay lover kryptonite doesn't disclose the information about his scratched slabs, neither does he provide adequate lighting in his photos to detail the damage. I'm going to take all of you mfers out one by one. Now go post my message on the forum, f@ggot old goat."
If the retod had two brain cells to rub together, he might actually come up with a business plan to provide a service to collectors for removing scratches and scuffs from TPG capsules that would be competitive with the present cost of reholdering. Obviously he is busy rubbing something else.
<< <i>This is the Pm that I received from our illustrious poster:
"The problem is, that most of the time, your gay lover kryptonite doesn't disclose the information about his scratched slabs, neither does he provide adequate lighting in his photos to detail the damage. I'm going to take all of you mfers out one by one. Now go post my message on the forum, f@ggot old goat."
edited with the @.
Why is he still allowed here? >>
He is still here? I doubt it, unless it's an alt. Mr. Willis and staff have the PM's he sent me, and they were warned not to let any women read them. The PM that you received, Treashunt, reads like Dr. Seuss, compared to the PM's I got.....as all of those that requested to see what NSS sent me, can attest (I now have screenshots). Looks like he still hasn't picked up his meds yet.
edited to not tip off NSS of what may just come down the line.
To be honest, I feel the same way as the MESSENGER ...... But rather than sending silly messages like this to the seller, I just bit the bullet and invested in a $15 bottle of SLAB RENEW! If that doesn't do it for me I just splurge for the re-holder (if its that important) ........ And no, I dont think holder condition is the responsibility of the seller as a large quantity of coins on the market today have been heavily traded in the biz of it all ......
<< <i>This is the Pm that I received from our illustrious poster:
"The problem is, that most of the time, your gay lover kryptonite doesn't disclose the information about his scratched slabs, neither does he provide adequate lighting in his photos to detail the damage. I'm going to take all of you mfers out one by one. Now go post my message on the forum, f@ggot old goat."
edited with the @.
Why is he still allowed here? >>
People shouldn't have to receive messages like that....especially from someone that has brought no value to the forums. Though, there are obviously a very select few that will take exception to you posting that and will defend the writer of such. They are "gentle" men, you see.
<< <i>It makes the language in the Open Forum Refuge look like kindergarten. >>
>>
Well, doesn't it? lol
edited...MGLICKER, now that you saw what he sent ME....doesn't it? lol >>
Not really. The OFR has a word censor bot just like here. Only difference is, the censorship on context is a lot looser over there. And Russ' momma only gets twitterpated when smoebody repeatedly does an end around on the word censor bot.
<< <i>It makes the language in the Open Forum Refuge look like kindergarten. >>
>>
Well, doesn't it? lol
edited...MGLICKER, now that you saw what he sent ME....doesn't it? lol >>
Not really. The OFR has a word censor bot just like here. Only difference is, the censorship on context is a lot looser over there. And Russ' momma only gets twitterpated when smoebody repeatedly does an end around on the word censor bot. >>
coindeuce, to an extent, yes, you are correct, but it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what "fuddernutter" (or something to that effect) means over there...lol
<< <i>This is the Pm that I received from our illustrious poster:
"The problem is, that most of the time, your gay lover kryptonite doesn't disclose the information about his scratched slabs, neither does he provide adequate lighting in his photos to detail the damage. I'm going to take all of you mfers out one by one. Now go post my message on the forum, f@ggot old goat."
edited with the @.
Why is he still allowed here? >>
People shouldn't have to receive messages like that....especially from someone that has brought no value to the forums. Though, there are obviously a very select few that will take exception to you posting that and will defend the writer of such. They are "gentle" men, you see. >>
Most immature person to venture here since my joining. >>
Still hoping to hear from Treashunt to find out when that was sent, and if it was, indeed, NSS or his alt. >>
yes, it really was NSS.
Date Posted: Apr/03/2014 6:19 AM >>
Thanks for the reply.....my last PM received from 'him' was at 4:02am on the 3rd, so, it's more than safe to say 'he' has been banned. Funny thing though, at 3:59am, he told me that Shane, and everyone else here, was "cool" (I think I can say that, as I'm not posting the PM, only quoting one, generic, word), and in a little over two hours, Shane went from being "cool", to being, well, what 'he' said about both of you. Even with a new IP/alt, it won't be too hard to know who 'he' is, as I'm certain we haven't seen/heard the last of this person.
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<< <i>Look guys NSS made the choice to go back and pull any bad posts on his part. Lets give him a chance now, it takes a lot to make the effort to want to be able to post here after that triad. Also yeah I know I might get s_ _ _ for helping the guy, but well he was mad. Its not like everyone handles it the same. I don't agree with his ebay message but letting someone grow and learn is something I'm all for! >>
We'll see!!!
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<< <i>Look guys NSS made the choice to go back and pull any bad posts on his part. Lets give him a chance now, it takes a lot to make the effort to want to be able to post here after that triad. Also yeah I know I might get s_ _ _ for helping the guy, but well he was mad. Its not like everyone handles it the same. I don't agree with his ebay message but letting someone grow and learn is something I'm all for! >>
We'll see!!! >>
Well he's taken the right steps, sometimes it takes a little help from someone not attacking to get people to care and look at their behavior. I just thought having the will to help deflect the damage and make him look at whats really available here for coin collectors might be better then piling on the stuff.
I've been angry before and know sh_ _ talking does not help make people stop being angry.
type2,CCHunter.
<< <i>NOTSURE, when i return with my new name, you will be the first to know. Do you know how pale & wanton thrillful comes death on a strange hour unannounced, unplanned for like a scaring over-friendly guest you've brought to bed death makes angels of us all & gives us wings where we had shoulders smooth as raven's claws. >>
You're still off your meds....refill that prescription.
kookaburra coin... Distant cousin to the cuckoo bird.
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<< <i>Tolerance is key
Acceptance is rudimentary.
I agree with NoSnatch that it's not fair to post "private" messages. Although, I must say the message was a bit harsh.
I've lost the closest friends, I completely respect as people, for expressing my "views" on subject matter outside of coins. But there is respect.
We kept that subject matter where it belongs. Let's not attack the character or the man here. It's not becoming of gentlemen. It's neanderthalic, to say the least. >>
He was an unknown and his "private message" was a ridiculous attack on eBay. There is no "respect" there... if any was warranted, he would have been more professional in his messages there, his attitude, and he entrance here.
Funny that most of your posts are, literally, about nothing relevant on the boards and then, when you do post something that actually has to do with the thread, you defend someone who has does nothing to warrant any defense. Well, maybe not "funny" but certainly sad. >>
Funny how your posts are inciting. Not funny, but enlightening.
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We shall see how long, and even if, Don leaves the posts here, the poster here, or even the thread here.
It's PCGS' "house" and one shouldn't come in here with a vendetta like that..... and it is sad that there are seeming supporters of that.
KC did nothing wrong with his consignment business and, anyone complaining about "scratched slabs" should do some due diligence on slabs, how easily they get scratched, and really, who is selling them and how bad scratches really are.
He also did nothing wrong, imho, of giving his experience to the board. If he hadn't posted the messages, I am sure you, and others, would have claimed he was making things up and it wasn't really that bad.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Not just to the integrity of mankind but to the boards, in general. But I don't want to discuss this here. You're free to call me . I have a toll FREE number. PM me if you'd like.
Somewhere I still have your address from when you won SILVER in a giveaway in November of 2007 when it hit $15, as I recall. But that's not relevant, either. I think they were Mercury dimes.
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<< <i>NOTSURE, when i return with my new name, you will be the first to know. Do you know how pale & wanton thrillful comes death on a strange hour unannounced, unplanned for like a scaring over-friendly guest you've brought to bed death makes angels of us all & gives us wings where we had shoulders smooth as raven's claws. >>
WOW!! I want to personally file a complaint with your pharmacy, they have obviously given you a smaller dose prescribed by the old Doc
Chance favors the prepared mind.
---rm
Anyone who intentionally keeps a coin, in an ebay TPG approved holder that is scratched, and behaves as if the seller is ripping him off, in order to leave (not to mention THREATENING to leave) a negative feedback (sounds like another member, who's 'mission' was apparently aborted), well, this is a person/member NOONE will deal with, let alone respond to (there were colonies made for such people). NSS, don't bother responding to this post until you've upped your dosage, and then, just don't bother. After your atrocious rants (even though you edited them, most know the unacceptable things you said), I'm sure no one will be giving you the time of day. I, personally, don't care to hear from you, and you're on my blocked PM list, so don't bother. Though, please let me know if you are EVER in New England (as you said, when you make an alt, which seems to be in your immediate future, you'd still admit to being 'reindeermccoy)...then, you can repeat your 'pale & wanton thrillful comes death....' comment to me personally. Don't think for a MOMENT I don't know what you meant.
Oh, again, remember to up that dosage, not just the 'ante'.
Erik
<< <i>Tolerance is key
Acceptance is rudimentary.
I agree with NoSnatch that it's not fair to post "private" messages. Although, I must say the message was a bit harsh.
I've lost the closest friends, I completely respect as people, for expressing my "views" on subject matter outside of coins. But there is respect.
We kept that subject matter where it belongs. Let's not attack the character or the man here. It's not becoming of gentlemen. It's neanderthalic, to say the least. >>
Tolerance?
Wait, what am I missing here?
The entire cause was incited by the original message.
What ever happened to: if you don't like the coin/slab whatever, don't buy it?
And we are wrong?
And, why not post a PM that was a threat?
Others should be alerted.
BHNC #203
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Tolerance? Yes… and patience go a long way in extending the life of the thread
Wait, what am I missing here? I don't know, please tell me
The entire cause was incited by the original message. Correct
What ever happened to: if you don't like the coin/slab whatever, don't buy it? Agreed, and whatever happened to "it's not any skin off my nose ? "
And we are wrong? Did I say anyone was wrong ? No. I said I thought the original message was HARSH
And, why not post a PM that was a threat? Why ? , just deal with it. it's IDLE, and if it's active then it's terroristic and the FBI will send a drone
Others should be alerted. >>
I think the world , at large, can read this.
And I'm being GENTLE, man. Will stick to my first post :
Charming, nonetheless !
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I've sent them off to Mr. Willis to deal with, only because the language would cause me to be bammed, and the boards could very well be shut down if they were to be posted (and posting PM's is not in good form). Besides that, if I had to edit for all the swears and foul language, there would hardly be anything but dashes and asterisks. Trust me, you don't want to converse with this person AT ALL. Unfortunately, I can't seem to add him to my 'blocked list', no m atter how hard I've tried.
edited...if anyone would like to see what he has written, PM me, I'll be happy to share this 'person's' thoughts/threats in PRIVATE. It'll make you think twice before engaging him in ANY conversation or ebay dealing, trust me on that.
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Slabs with damage - excessive scratches (especially coin focal areas), chipped, etc (likely to cause problem with buyer) I do not offer to my customers online. I even keep ongoing piles of slabs for reholder which may happen to have a slab damage problem. As an experienced bourse room dealer at shows I know all too well that scratched / chipped slabs can be a deal killer. This does not keep me from acquiring them if I like the coin but I have to factor in reholder costs. A seller offering damaged slabs in an ebay store should specify in the ebay "condition description" policy so this is in plain view and the customer won't be surprised. That a slabbed coin is a consignment coin is no excuse. I remember getting Teletrade slabs on a really nice Proof coin and the slab is scratched up like the guy was tossing it to his dog playing pitch and catch. It really ticked me off because the scan did not show this problem and anyone who purchased off TTR knows how expensive a return was.
Recently I was refunded $20 from a seller on a PCGS slab chipped in two places. This was not disclosed in the ebay "condition description" where problems with the item should be described. I emailed the seller pointing out the problem (and that it was not described in the "condition description") and politely reqested how they intended to handle it. Their offer was acceptable and I have put the coin in the pile destined for PCGS reholder. Otherwise I would have returned the coin. In that case, a neg to them would have been an option as it was not disclosed in the "condition description" which ebay has for damaged items. It was a coin I had won for $34 with a CW Trends Value of $55. Now it is reflected with an inventory cost of $14 and the slab reholder cost will be expensed.
When dealing with this situation as a buyer my policy is to politely point out the problem and see what the seller is willing to offer as a solution. I consider it the seller's responsibility to disclose such problems in the "condition description." In a situation if all the seller will offer is a return / refund the return cost is probably better vs what reholder will cost then the issue is how badly do I want the coin. Sometimes a scratched up slab in an ebay auction (where the scratches are easy to see) may be a bargain as the other bidders will back off. A guy in the coin club won a beautiful world gold proof issue for just a few bucks over melt because of this.
Erik
<< <i>...right now it costs $5 for the re-holder service...looks like you got a nice rip making the seller dish you out $20 for a chipped slab, you must feel great
Erik >>
The seller doesn't have much protection from these buyers that threaten negative feedback because a scratch or chip is in a slab. If buyers can't see a slab that looks like a dog chewed it up, they don't need to be buying coins online using pictures.
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I will now be very careful to list any slab defects. I've not considered that in the past though I always have several very good photos. I take very good care of my slabs. For coins which I had slabbed the slabs are perfect assuming that they arrived from the TPG perfect which is NOT always the case.
I've purchased coins in scratched, chipped, etc slabs though so some of my coins are in such slabs.
I know that everyone is different however I've never paid the slab much attention when buying. If I get a coin in a slab that bothers me I have it reholdered. I have purchased such slabs but never even thought to bring it to the seller's attention.
I think that the key is to be sure that very good and complete photos are included with all listings.
It looks like I'm a pretty easy buyer compared to many when it come to the actual slab.
In any case, live and learn. I'll certainly be more careful in being sure to detail not just coin but slab condition if there is any issue.
Edited: I should qualify: If the slabe were just trashed and I purchased w/o any photos then I would say something. If there were decent photos and I couldn't see the damage to the slab then it would not be enough for me to contact the seller about.
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<< <i>...right now it costs $5 for the re-holder service...looks like you got a nice rip making the seller dish you out $20 for a chipped slab, you must feel great
Erik >>
The seller doesn't have much protection from these buyers that threaten negative feedback because a scratch or chip is in a slab. If buyers can't see a slab that looks like a dog chewed it up, they don't need to be buying coins online using pictures. >>
<< <i>...right now it costs $5 for the re-holder service...looks like you got a nice rip making the seller dish you out $20 for a chipped slab, you must feel great
Erik >>
Just had two NGC world coins reholdered...sent them with a local dealer to the ANA, since in the past this same dealer has done this for me as a show reholder, $10 each...no shipping costs.
NGC was not reholdering at this show, so off they went to the factory...long story short, when they finally arrived at least a month later, $65 to get two coins reholdered into NGC plastic
Point is, reholdering is maybe not as cheap as it used to be....get that $5 deal while you can !!
Just did one on even a bullion deal this morning.
"The problem is, that most of the time, your gay lover kryptonite doesn't disclose the information about his scratched slabs, neither does he provide adequate lighting in his photos to detail the damage. I'm going to take all of you mfers out one by one. Now go post my message on the forum, f@ggot old goat."
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Why is he still allowed here?
BHNC #203
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com
<< <i>This is the Pm that I received from our illustrious poster:
"The problem is, that most of the time, your gay lover kryptonite doesn't disclose the information about his scratched slabs, neither does he provide adequate lighting in his photos to detail the damage. I'm going to take all of you mfers out one by one. Now go post my message on the forum, f@ggot old goat."
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Why is he still allowed here? >>
He is still here? I doubt it, unless it's an alt. Mr. Willis and staff have the PM's he sent me, and they were warned not to let any women read them. The PM that you received, Treashunt, reads like Dr. Seuss, compared to the PM's I got.....as all of those that requested to see what NSS sent me, can attest (I now have screenshots). Looks like he still hasn't picked up his meds yet.
edited to not tip off NSS of what may just come down the line.
<< <i>What a colossal waste of time. Don't feed the trolls & they'll go away. >>
I wish that were true in this case, but not a chance...perhaps in some cases, but not this one.
Most immature person to venture here since my joining.
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Most immature person to venture here since my joining.
Still hoping to hear from Treashunt to find out when that was sent, and if it was, indeed, NSS or his alt.
<< <i>This is the Pm that I received from our illustrious poster:
"The problem is, that most of the time, your gay lover kryptonite doesn't disclose the information about his scratched slabs, neither does he provide adequate lighting in his photos to detail the damage. I'm going to take all of you mfers out one by one. Now go post my message on the forum, f@ggot old goat."
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Why is he still allowed here? >>
People shouldn't have to receive messages like that....especially from someone that has brought no value to the forums. Though, there are obviously a very select few that will take exception to you posting that and will defend the writer of such. They are "gentle" men, you see.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>It makes the language in the Open Forum Refuge look like kindergarten. >>
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<< <i>It makes the language in the Open Forum Refuge look like kindergarten. >>
Well, doesn't it? lol
edited...MGLICKER, now that you saw what he sent ME....doesn't it? lol
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<< <i>It makes the language in the Open Forum Refuge look like kindergarten. >>
Well, doesn't it? lol
edited...MGLICKER, now that you saw what he sent ME....doesn't it? lol >>
Not really. The OFR has a word censor bot just like here. Only difference is, the censorship on context is a lot looser over there. And Russ' momma only gets twitterpated when smoebody repeatedly does an end around on the word censor bot.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com
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<< <i>It makes the language in the Open Forum Refuge look like kindergarten. >>
Well, doesn't it? lol
edited...MGLICKER, now that you saw what he sent ME....doesn't it? lol >>
Reminds me of the responses I get from my democrat congressman!
*pretty nasty stuff though. Glad poster has been bammished.
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<< <i>It makes the language in the Open Forum Refuge look like kindergarten. >>
Well, doesn't it? lol
edited...MGLICKER, now that you saw what he sent ME....doesn't it? lol >>
Not really. The OFR has a word censor bot just like here. Only difference is, the censorship on context is a lot looser over there. And Russ' momma only gets twitterpated when smoebody repeatedly does an end around on the word censor bot. >>
coindeuce, to an extent, yes, you are correct, but it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what "fuddernutter" (or something to that effect) means over there...lol
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<< <i>This is the Pm that I received from our illustrious poster:
"The problem is, that most of the time, your gay lover kryptonite doesn't disclose the information about his scratched slabs, neither does he provide adequate lighting in his photos to detail the damage. I'm going to take all of you mfers out one by one. Now go post my message on the forum, f@ggot old goat."
edited with the @.
Why is he still allowed here? >>
People shouldn't have to receive messages like that....especially from someone that has brought no value to the forums. Though, there are obviously a very select few that will take exception to you posting that and will defend the writer of such. They are "gentle" men, you see. >>
Yes, agreed. Gentlemen conduct themselves accordingly.
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Most immature person to venture here since my joining.
Still hoping to hear from Treashunt to find out when that was sent, and if it was, indeed, NSS or his alt. >>
yes, it really was NSS.
Date Posted: Apr/03/2014 6:19 AM
BHNC #203
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Most immature person to venture here since my joining.
Still hoping to hear from Treashunt to find out when that was sent, and if it was, indeed, NSS or his alt. >>
yes, it really was NSS.
Date Posted: Apr/03/2014 6:19 AM >>
Thanks for the reply.....my last PM received from 'him' was at 4:02am on the 3rd, so, it's more than safe to say 'he' has been banned. Funny thing though, at 3:59am, he told me that Shane, and everyone else here, was "cool" (I think I can say that, as I'm not posting the PM, only quoting one, generic, word), and in a little over two hours, Shane went from being "cool", to being, well, what 'he' said about both of you. Even with a new IP/alt, it won't be too hard to know who 'he' is, as I'm certain we haven't seen/heard the last of this person.