Is it possible for TPG's to make a mistake: confusing die polish as cleaning?
mercurydimeguy
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I'm still scratching my head on a coin that came back Cleaning, UNC details a couple weeks ago.. I had it in a PCGS MS63 holder. Was doing a raw submission so I cracked it. Came back cleaning...?? I thought it was under-graded so I could never imagine it coming back Cleaning.
Has anyone seen this before? I don't want to spend another $30-$45 for a grading fee (again)...is there a way to send it in with a note and tell them what they called cleaning is clearly a die polish.
thx in advamce
Has anyone seen this before? I don't want to spend another $30-$45 for a grading fee (again)...is there a way to send it in with a note and tell them what they called cleaning is clearly a die polish.
thx in advamce
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<< <i>I am afraid anything is possible with the tpg's. >>
Yep. Once it is out of the holder [including PCGS'] all bets are off.
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There are a few $3's in the 60's where heavy die striations show up quite often. Lots of Seated dates show up like this sometimes, 1862 $1's?
It seems they see what they're afraid not to.
These stick out because they are current expensive "mistakes". I'll try again next year and see if I can get it right next time. . .
The higher the coins are graded the more likely the lines will be correctly interpreted. Check out the Akers 1867 $3 PCGS MS67 CAC from this last Platinum Night for an exemplar.
Years ago, friend of mine had a nicer better date morgan with what was clearly die polish lines, came back cleaned. Was re-submitted and corrected .
Frankly, if they miss something this blatantly they should refund all fees, and fire the clowns doing the grading that day.
Been there and done that.
However, usually, once its slabbed, the only recourse is to crack it out and resubmit.
If you "tell" someone what to look for, chances are they're going to find it whether its there or not.
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I had one a few months ago. Crack and now she is fine, and 1 grade higher than she was when I first cracked it as well.
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It looks very much like a 1880-S Morgan pl with the die polish lines
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It came back PR58.
I then consigned it to a Goldbergs sale where, still in that PR58 tombstone, it brought over $2,000. Saw it a year later, still PR58, in the internet section of a Signature, and bought it back for $1500. Cracked it and sent it to NGC and sold my newly minted mint state example (MS61) for over $3000.
Knowledge is power. Jhdfla will chortle as I describe the reverse fields as being striated semi-PL with 35% obvious frost. Blatantly not a poorly struck proof. I forget what Breen says. I looked and processed. It didn't take me 12 seconds. I had to pick up a loupe and ponder.
Another time an auction partner and I saw an very late 60's 25c PCGS PR64 totally striated but with frosty fields beneath the toning. We didn't buy it cheap. Others saw it too. Now PCGS MS66
I guess it works both ways. But the anticipatable disappointment sometimes makes me feel even foolish and futile.
Another dead president will be on its way to its destination after either I or the graders cool off.