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What the heck happened on my sub

lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
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Has anyone ever received grades like these: All of these packs were bought through the group rips over the past year and a half, except for the 82 Topps with Ripken. I will obviously be giving PSA a call Monday morning.

I'm also confused as to why some of the N9's say no charge while other don't.

Looking for any comments or feedback. thank, Tom

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  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭
    Can you post the results?


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  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    My kids are right, I am a loser. Probably would have helped if I posted the results initiallyimage

    Order #20760636 / Submission #9242064
    Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
    1 1 22235282 N4: QUESTIONABLE AUTHENTICITY 1976 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK DREW PEARSON-BACK Pack
    2 1 22235283 N4: QUESTIONABLE AUTHENTICITY 1977 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Card
    3 1 22235284 N9: NOT GRADED 1979 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Pack
    4 1 22235288 N9: NOT GRADED 1983 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Pack
    5 1 22235294 N9: NOT GRADED 1981 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Pack
    6 1 22235298 N9: NOT GRADED 1986 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Card
    7 1 22235302 N9: NOT GRADED NO GRADE, NO CHARGE Card
    8 1 22235303 N9: NOT GRADED NO GRADE, NO CHARGE Card
    8 2 22235304 N9: NOT GRADED NO GRADE, NO CHARGE Card
    8 3 22235299 N9: NOT GRADED NO GRADE, NO CHARGE Card
    8 4 22235300 N9: NOT GRADED NO GRADE, NO CHARGE Card
    8 5 22235301 N9: NOT GRADED NO GRADE, NO CHARGE Card
    9 1 22235305 N9: NOT GRADED NO GRADE, NO CHARGE Card
    10 1 22235306 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS BASEBALL MINI CELLO PACK CELLO PACK Pack
    11 1 22235307 N9: NOT GRADED NO GRADE, NO CHARGE Card
    12 1 22235308 MINT 9 1976 TOPPS BASEBALL CELLO PACK CELLO PACK TOM SEAVER-TOP Pack
    13 1 22235309 NEAR MINT 7 1978 TOPPS BASEBALL CELLO PACK CELLO PACK REGGIE JACKSON-BACK Pack
    14 1 22235310 MINT 9 1980 TOPPS BASEBALL CELLO PACK CELLO PACK Card
    15 1 22235311 N4: QUESTIONABLE AUTHENTICITY 1982 TOPPS BASEBALL CELLO PACK CELLO PACK CAL RIPKEN JR.-TOP Card
    16 1 22235312 N9: NOT GRADED SIZE TOO BIG, NO GRADE, NO CHARGE Card
    17 1 22235285 N9: NOT GRADED 1983 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Pack
    17 2 22235286 N9: NOT GRADED 1983 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Pack
    17 3 22235287 N9: NOT GRADED 1983 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Pack
    18 1 22235289 N9: NOT GRADED 1981 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Pack
    18 2 22235290 N9: NOT GRADED 1981 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Pack
    18 3 22235291 N9: NOT GRADED 1981 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Pack
    18 4 22235292 N9: NOT GRADED 1981 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Pack
    18 5 22235293 N9: NOT GRADED 1981 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Pack
    19 1 22235295 N9: NOT GRADED 1986 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Card
    19 2 22235296 N9: NOT GRADED 1986 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Card
    19 3 22235297 N9: NOT GRADED 1986 TOPPS FOOTBALL WAX PACK WAX PACK Card
    Total Items: 31
    Date Received: 11/21/2013
    Date Shipped: N/A
    Order Status: OK


    For those interested, the packs that are designated as "no charge" are 4 packs of 1977 Topps basketball, 2 packs of 1978 Topps basketball, 1 pack of 1987 Fleer basketball and for the 2nd time a 1989 Fleer cello with Griffey Jr. on top deemed too thick.
  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You've got to call them before they ship... that is crazy.
    Mike
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  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    I'm on it 8AM Monday. Already have a reminder in my Blackberry.
  • PMKAYPMKAY Posts: 1,372 ✭✭
    Doesn't the guy from BBCE grade packs for PSA?
  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    He just authenticates them, I believe. then they are sent back to PSA for a grade. If i am incorrect, I hope somebody clears that process up for me.
  • PorkinsPorkins Posts: 612 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Doesn't the guy from BBCE grade packs for PSA? >>



    Steve establishes authenticity but does not assign the numerical grade.

    And yeah, that sub is wacko!
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The ones with no charge are typically for packs they don't have the right-sized holders for. That is bizarre! The N4 is for a questionable pack--I have no idea why you'd get all those N9s unless maybe seals were popped on back of packs??


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are they not grading wax packs?? All your wax packs are not graded...I am wondering if your sub is just incomplete??


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    All your wax packs are not graded

    I didn't realize that until you mentioned it that only the cellos were graded. If seals were popped on the back, as someone mentioned, wouldn't they get some sort of questionable authenticity?

    I also thought that maybe they weren't quite finished and it was a computer glitch to release the sub grades. At least that is what I am hoping.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>All your wax packs are not graded

    I didn't realize that until you mentioned it that only the cellos were graded. If seals were popped on the back, as someone mentioned, wouldn't they get some sort of questionable authenticity?

    I also thought that maybe they weren't quite finished and it was a computer glitch to release the sub grades. At least that is what I am hoping. >>



    I've got to think that the sub is not complete--maybe they separate the cello grading from the wax grading. If seals were popped, you would NOT see "no grade-no charge". And there's no way all those seals would be popped anyway. So that leaves two possibilities--either the grading is not yet done for the wax packs or PSA has decided to no longer grade wax packs.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    I can't imagine them no longer grading wax packs, plus the first 2 packs graded ? authenticity are wax packs. It really has to be unfinished sub. Those packs were in beautiful easy PSA 8+ condition.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I can't imagine them no longer grading wax packs, plus the first 2 packs graded ? authenticity are wax packs. It really has to be unfinished sub. Those packs were in beautiful easy PSA 8+ condition. >>



    I am also almost certain that the sub is just not finished. That is the only explanation that makes sense.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • MrNearMintMrNearMint Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm on it 8AM Monday. Already have a reminder in my Blackberry. >>



    You can dispute grades with psa?
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'm on it 8AM Monday. Already have a reminder in my Blackberry. >>



    You can dispute grades with psa? >>



    In this case, it's not grades, but the lack thereof! LOL..


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    Has anyone ever had a submission "released" where they weren't truly finished grading?
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tom, was your CC charged? PSA will charge to card now right before shipping. If the sub is only partially graded, the charge should not appear on the card yet, or even better, the charge would include all the packs, instead of just those graded or listed as quest auth.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭

    Spoke with PSA at 8 AM today and was told that packs could not be graded because of loose gum and/or broken pieces. However, did not get a definitive answer as to why some lines say N9 "no grade, no charge" and others N9's do not mention "no charge". I will receive a call back later today from someone in operations.
  • miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sounds like a night of ripping when they arrive back ungraded...
  • cpamikecpamike Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Spoke with PSA at 8 AM today and was told that packs could not be graded because of loose gum and/or broken pieces. However, did not get a definitive answer as to why some lines say N9 "no grade, no charge" and others N9's do not mention "no charge". I will receive a call back later today from someone in operations. >>



    Tom, do you remember the gum being loose and/or broken? I usually choose only wax packs where the gum is not moving easily and definitely in one piece. I'm sure you picked out packs that looked especially nice so I'm hoping nothing happened to them while in transit. Did you take pictures of them before you shipped them? I usually do this in case the packs come back in a condition they didn't leave in. Plus, it reminds me what I sent in. image

    I hope everything works itself out.
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  • EchoCanyonEchoCanyon Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭
    There is clearly a flaw in sending packs around the country to be authenticated.

  • dennis07dennis07 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭
    "There is clearly a flaw in sending packs around the country to be authenticated."

    I agree 100%. My cards see more of the U.S. than I do.
    Collecting 1970 Topps baseball
  • ChiefsFan1stChiefsFan1st Posts: 845 ✭✭✭
    I didnt realize they will not grade packs with broken gum. Man, thats crazy. Many of these packs are 20+
    years old, broken gum is gonna happen,right?

    Sorry about the grades, or lack of them manimage
    I dont wanna grow up, Im a Toys-R-Us kid!
  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    There is clearly a flaw in sending packs around the country to be authenticated

    Those were my thoughts exactly. Unfortunately, I did not take pictures beforehand, but I cherry picked the best of my packs, especially on '81 football, where I own about 40 packs and the 78/79 basketball.

    I live in Fresno, CA about 4 hours from Newport Beach. I'm guessing the trip to Illinois and back was more the issue in their condition.

    I'm gonna be real interested in hearing their response.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is PSA now saying they will not grade any wax packs in which the gum is not fused to the top card?? I know they have had their share of issues with wrapper tears, but this information needs to be made public so that people don't send packs in for no reason. Most of the better, higher grade packs have loose gum. And why should broken gum even be an issue??


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    i]Is PSA now saying they will not grade any wax packs in which the gum is not fused to the top card?

    Yes, grote15, that is pretty much what was suggested over the phone to me.
  • ChiefsFan1stChiefsFan1st Posts: 845 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Is PSA now saying they will not grade any wax packs in which the gum is not fused to the top card?? I know they have had their share of issues with wrapper tears, but this information needs to be made public so that people don't send packs in for no reason. Most of the better, higher grade packs have loose gum. And why should broken gum even be an issue?? >>



    +1

    Ive got 8-10 packs I want to sub, but may not now. Although most of them have good gum now, who knows what
    a trip or 2 around the U.S. in the mail might do to it. Really does bum me out if this is truly the caseimage
    I dont wanna grow up, Im a Toys-R-Us kid!
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,711 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>i]Is PSA now saying they will not grade any wax packs in which the gum is not fused to the top card?

    Yes, grote15, that is pretty much what was suggested over the phone to me. >>



    Well, I just called and was told point blank they will NOT grade a pack in which gum is either loose or broken.

    I guess I'm getting back 24 of my 38 packs in my last sub ungraded. Very disappointing.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • digdugdigdug Posts: 216 ✭✭
    Wow I just had 18 packs logged first week February. Wish I had known
  • lightningboylightningboy Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭
    Yes, what grote15 had suggested is the case going forward. 24 of my 31 beautiful 70's/80's packs are coming back ungraded. I explained to the gentleman in customer service that there is a greater likelihood that the gum has been loosened/cracked going to and from BBCE, than from my original shipment to PSA. He said they are exhausting efforts to figure out a solution to their pack grading problem..

    As was asked in another thread, i would think this will certainly curtail the amount of high grades to packs going forward. As was noted, the packs that have been stored the best and in the nicest condition will be the ones likely to be hampered by this policy change.
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